Riots in Missouri - Part 1

[DarthSkywalker]

I hear those are KEY stores in this town, maybe I heard wrong.

There is a huge difference between key stores and acting like this is Rome burning. Nero isn't in Ferguson.

 

[SuperJediHero]

CNN reporter was hit by a rock on her head!

 

[Flint Marko]

Which he didn't know when he started the whole thing by yelling, "Get out of the f***ing street" at Brown.

Sound like an even-tempered guy to you? The kind you want to have a gun and badge?

How do we know he said "get out of the f***ing street"? We don't know what happened, if those words were exchanged, or if they were, what exactly happened before that. The officer could have told him to get out to the street in a more calm manner, and the two noted criminals could have mouthed off. They had literally just robbed a convenience store, clearly these two weren't upstanding citizens incapable of being resistant to authorities. Hell, Johnson (The other guy with Brown) even admitted in an interview that he originally refused to get on the sidewalk as was ordered. I can send you a link to that if you'd like.

I find nothing foolish about expecting an officer of the law to try and avoid killing someone when possible. It is human life afterall.

I don't disagree, as I've said that I don't condone his actions. But I certainly don't condemn him either when
A) I, nor you for that matter, know what we would do differently in that situation
B) we don't know the facts
C) a jury of his own peers were presented the facts and decided he should not be indicted
D) the media has clearly been sweeping people up into a frenzy since day one, trying to make this into a race thing before they even had all the facts.

 

[KalMart]

People are trying to change it. It doesn't change because people continue to defend and allow such action to occur.

And I am not sure what you mean with your first point? Whose standard?

Cops, people, leaders…everyone in the community. That's what builds standards. Cops aren't the only ones who've brought it down. Can't exactly expect them to be at a 'better' standard than everything else that's around them. Doesn't make it alright for them to misbehave, it's more ultimately sharing the responsibility. I agree cops should be above certain things, but again people can be pushed and conditioned. Lots of times the bigger picture news to be looked at…..but when race gets involved, it's even harder to see that bigger picture.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't disagree, as I've said that I don't condone his actions. But I certainly don't condemn him either when
A) I, nor you for that matter, know what we would do differently in that situation
B) we don't know the facts
C) a jury of his own peers were presented the facts and decided he should not be indicted
D) the media has clearly been sweeping people up into a frenzy since day one, trying to make this into a race thing before they even had all the facts.

If that is the standard, well then everyone when presented with any form of danger can just shoot others. And then can only be judged by others who have done the same thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Cops, people, leaders…everyone in the community. That's what builds standards. Cops aren't the only ones who've brought it down. Can't exactly expect them to be at a 'better' standard than everything else that's around them. Doesn't make it alright for them to misbehave, it's more ultimately sharing the responsibility. I agree cops should be above certain things, but again people can be pushed and conditioned. Lots of times the bigger picture news to be looked at…..but when race gets involved, it's even harder to see that bigger picture.

Except cops are the ones that walk around with guns strapped to their hips.

And I completely agree that leaders have been a huge part of the problem. But whenever the people try and enact change, they are slapped down and told no, let the those in charge of "justice" fix it. Those responsible for it being a problem in the first place.

 

[SuperJediHero]

As for why they announce the verdict so late, I have a theory, perhaps the Police are letting the whole nation/world SEE what these protesters do?

These protesters clearly just proved themselves to not be peaceful, at all.

 

[Flint Marko]

If that is the standard, well then everyone when presented with any form of danger can just shoot others. And then can only be judged by others who have done the same thing.

It's called self-defense. Things become more understandable when you appear to be literally fighting for your life. You can disagree all you want, but let's have a 6 foot 300 pound guy attack you and see where you stand on things in the heat of the moment.
And, as I brought up in my other good points that I think should be addressed by anyone who is outraged by this decision, all the evidence was presented to a jury of their peers and they decided they cannot indict him for any wrong-doing.
People who were presented with everything there is to know about the case came to the conclusion that he did nothing wrong; I think that says a lot right there.

 

[Sawyer]

As for why they announce the verdict so late, I have a theory, perhaps the Police are letting the whole nation/world SEE what these protesters do?

These protesters clearly just proved themselves to not be peaceful, at all.

 

[Grievous]

As for why they announce the verdict so late, I have a theory, perhaps the Police are letting the whole nation/world SEE what these protesters do?

These protesters clearly just proved themselves to not be peaceful, at all.

The protesters are not going down in the history books as people who stood up for rights. They are going down as thugs who ruined a lot of innocent people's lives.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Important things to consider re: Ferguson and any case covered by the media

1. We do not have complete access to all evidence used in the case
2. Different contributing factors and evidences can always be off the table in cases due to semantics, negotiations, unlawful collection of evidence, etc
3. Race inequality is too big a factor to rule out completely
4. Conflicting coroner/forensics reports do not vindicate or discredit the other
5. Reports are subject to human memory, error and accuracy
6. We are all at the disposal of information that has been provided to us through biased sources and grapevine media

Due to the above, complete (100%) denial/agreement of any verdict (whether innocent or guilty) by the general public is an arrogant and foolish position to take.

Something I HAVE come to notice in the wake of all of this, is the tragic denial that people have about the existence of race inequality. Disgusting. It's like staring into the wind and declaring how calm the weather is.

 

[KalMart]

Except cops are the ones that walk around with guns strapped to their hips.

If you really looked at how much tension and confrontation there is between cops and civilians as a whole, it's actually surprising there are't more police shootings.

And I completely agree that leaders have been a huge part of the problem. But whenever the people try and enact change, they are slapped down and told no, let the those in charge of "justice" fix it. Those responsible for it being a problem in the first place.

Then you need to keep going….just blaming the cops truly won't achieve anything, especially in demographics that aren't as affluent as others. No one aspect will change the bigger problem.

 

[Sawyer]

Something I HAVE come to notice in the wake of all of this, is the tragic denial that people have about the existence of race inequality. Disgusting. It's like staring into the wind and declaring how calm the weather is.

Reminds me of something I read on Twitter: "The new racism is denial of racism".

 

[KalMart]

Reminds me of something I read on Twitter: "The new racism is denial of racism".

And the forcing of it as well, to be fair.

There's nothing in this world that grows as easily as anger and hate. From the bottom of the deepest oceans, to the driest of deserts and the darkest of caves…..plant the seed and watch it bloom.

 

[SuperJediHero]

I think the whole country has heard enough of racial injustice complaints, actually ALL the time, but is it really that bad to justify this nonstop violence?

Perhaps it is that bad, but whatever these innocent people's properties and lives should not destroyed because of an issue that may exist. These poor souls didn't cause racial inequality, yet their lives destoyed, how is this fair?

What kind of justice does this violence serve?

 

[TheDreamMaster]

Watching CNN, is Anonymous out there, or is that just some random guys with the Guy Fawkes mask?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Watching CNN, is Anonymous out there, or is that just some random guys with the Guy Fawkes mask?

Just random guys. Those masks seem to be the top choice for protestors and vandals in situations like this.

 

[SuperJediHero]

The bottom line is, the protesters were in the wrong they attacked the police FIRST then all these destruction and looting followed, this is what disgusts me than anything about this, tonight!

The police did not do anything to cause tonight's violence!


You want to fight racial inquality, fight it in a more classy method, not like this!

 

[Sawyer]

You want to fight racism, fight it in a more classy method, not like this!

Not that I'm on board with the looting and rioting, but what is the "classy method" of fighting racism?

 

[SuperJediHero]

Not that I'm on board with the looting and rioting, but what is the "classy method" of fighting racism?

Goto City hall and have a town meeting...

Do a TEDx event about racism. And, create some good movies and video games exploring racism issues. Of course, music...

A lot of this can be MUCH more meaningful than stupid violent methods like this!

 

[SuperJediHero]

The bottom line is, violence would be the LEAST effective method to make a point.

 

[craigdbfan]

It's called self-defense. Things become more understandable when you appear to be literally fighting for your life. You can disagree all you want, but let's have a 6 foot 300 pound guy attack you and see where you stand on things in the heat of the moment.
And, as I brought up in my other good points that I think should be addressed by anyone who is outraged by this decision, all the evidence was presented to a jury of their peers and they decided they cannot indict him for any wrong-doing.
People who were presented with everything there is to know about the case came to the conclusion that he did nothing wrong; I think that says a lot right there.

Well said.

Not surprised violence is already taking place in Fergustan.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Well said.

Not surprised violence is already taking place in Fergustan.

Was that a slip?

 

[SuperJediHero]

I need to get some sleep, but HOPE the rest of night = Peace!


Very good to see so far, no where else got violent!

 

[Sawyer]