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I'm sorry but unless shoving someone has become the new way people greet each other in Missouri, I sense some animosity there.

The owner not wanting to work with the police could mean anything. He may just not want the negative attention.

People grabbing items from convenience stores happens all the time (happened in places where I have worked). I've heard of owners responding with everything from calling the police, to pulling out a gun, to not letting those people back in.

True...but it can change the narrative, if there's a history.

I'm surprised that he didn't call the cops. I think we'd need confirmation on it. Because it's weird that he'd just let him get away with it unless there's just stuff we don't know that's going on. But, I suppose it explains why he wasn't stopped for it. And if there's a history, would it change the narrative that Brown would be violent with the officer?

The store owner not wanting to get involved with it now, after what's happened, makes sense. Definitely.

Even if he did, that doesn't look like playful banter. And even if there was audio, it was obviously dangerous enough looking for a random bystander to call the police.

Is that what happened, though? Because I wouldn't be surprised if the police found out about it from his friend, who had admitted to it.
 
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Wow. Had no idea that last night the riot police were brought out again. Tear gas and all.
 
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If that is Brown in the video who stole, and manhandled that store owner, I think comparing him to Trayvon Martin is an insult to Trayvon Martin.

If?

I think at this point, it is 100% confirmed that IS him in that video. There is no if, anymore.
 
I doubt this was an isolated incident. People don't just behave in a mild mannered fashion for 18 years, and then steal, and manhandle store owners.

But for me, it definitely adds context to the confrontation between Brown and the cop.

It's not just that this video tells us that Brown was a thug, but he would obviously be anxious to see a cop.
 
I doubt this was an isolated incident. People don't just behave in a mild mannered fashion for 18 years, and then steal, and manhandle store owners.

But for me, it definitely adds context to the confrontation between Brown and the cop.

Not just that Brown was a thug, but that he would obviously be anxious to see a cop.

I think these parents/friends/neighbors can say anything to say he was a good boy, when it's not 100% the truth. Does this actually surprise anybody?

When the truth came out, they cry 'character assassination', it's the same with Trevon Martin. People can prove them not good teens, lying about it won't fool everyone!
 
Right, but Trayvon Martin didn't steal his Skittles, or threaten a store clerk.

From what I recall, his worst "crime" was smoking some pot, at some point.
 
Right, so they had it coming...

Right, but Trayvon Martin didn't steal his Skittles, or threaten a store clerk.

From what I recall, his worst "crime" was smoking some pot, at some point.

Don't forget he was wearing a hoodie. Apparently, there's legions of people that are frightened of those things.
 
I'm not saying there shouldn't be an investigation, but let's not pretend Brown had a character left to assassinate after that tape came out.
 
No, not from the article, you just made it up that they said "no".

They may have gladly shown the tape to the cops that day, you don't know either way. The cops need warrants to collect it as evidence though, all you know is the official warrant came Friday.

The difference is in the "ask" and the "issued a warrant." Cops don't like to draft a warrant if they don't have to. If the shop owner would have given the hard drive when they asked, the police could still "officially" take it. This seems like a stupid thing to argue over so I'm going to leave it alone until we know more.

You made up the store owner saying "no", like you made up that they knew each-other.
Where did I say they definitely knew each other?

I love how when I posted about the shop owner some asked, "where did that come from!!? Where? Where?"

And then later on someone else comes in and says they saw the lawyer on TV and he said blah, blah, blah." And some poster just say, "Ok thanks. Good to know." Lol. Ni substantiation needed sometimes I guess.

Here's more on what the shop owner and Brown were allegedly arguing about. Doesn't really sound like thug-life.
http://blackamericaweb.com/2014/08/...rveillance-video-released-store-owners-speak/
 
It appears that the store owner and Brown may have known each other. It's too bad the surveillance doesn't have audio because the situation at the store seems complicated. The shop owner didn't call the police. He wasn't going to call the police. After the police heard about the robbery/shoplifting, they went to the store owner and asked to see his tapes. The store owner refused, so they got a warrant for the hard drive of surveillance video. Of course, this is not what the police put in the police report. The store owner now has a lawyer and says he does not want to work with the police. So yeah, even the "victims" in this case don't want to work with this police department.
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/

I thought it was strange that Brown would burglarize a store... for cigars. Who does that? Many shop owners have guns. How did he know that the owner wouldn't pull a gun. It makes more sense now that Brown and the store owner knew each other and may not have had animosity against each other like it appears in the video.

What's more telling is that Ferguson police released that surveillance tape knowing that it paints an incomplete picture of what was going on there. Also this was after the FBI told them that it would only aggravate the situation. They released it knowing that it would have no bearing on the case if it ever goes to trial. It shows their character and the lengths they will go to in order to protect their own rather than get an fair understanding a the death of an 18 year old kid. Yet people keep complaining about Brown's character?

Do you not perhaps understand this store owner probably more scared about thugs and hitman murder him, than cops?
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/getty-photographer-arrested_n_5689614.html

Getty photographer arrested in Ferguson Protest, as well as some video of CNN host Don Lemon being physically moved by an officer during a live shot.

Also hearing about how police were pointing guns at people in Ferguson last night, CNN's Don Lemon was one of those people.

So, yeah...sounds like things are getting worse. I wonder how tonight will play out now.
 
Do you not perhaps understand this store owner probably more scared about thugs and hitman murder him, than cops?

Hitmen?? Who would hire them?

And that wouldn't explain why he didn't call the cops. Unless Brown is somehow connected to organized crime or something.
 
Right, but Trayvon Martin didn't steal his Skittles, or threaten a store clerk.

From what I recall, his worst "crime" was smoking some pot, at some point.

Tons of pics of Trevon martin with a gun in his hand, looking like a thug in them. It's not a crime per se, but the point is that does not really paint this kid as Innocent good boy at all! Yet so many people defended him just like they defended Michael Brown as if they are good-doers that's innocent and killed by cops. :whatever:


Are you going to tell me those are photoshopped/faked evidences?

From where I come from, if you are really innocent, you won't have any problem with police!
 
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Do you not perhaps understand this store owner probably more scared about thugs and hitman murder him, than cops?
No.

Can we please get back to this:
Ferguson police released that surveillance tape knowing that it paints an incomplete picture of what was going on there. Also this was after the FBI told them that it would only aggravate the situation. They released it knowing that it would have no bearing on the case if it ever goes to trial. It shows their character and the lengths they will go to in order to protect their own rather than get an fair understanding a the death of an 18 year old kid. Yet people keep complaining about Brown's character?

This police department is out there. :wow:
 
Since you want to keep bringing up the store here's what they really are saying -

Washington post - http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...8f5bc0-2588-11e4-8593-da634b334390_story.html
Scroll about half way down...

The convenience store where the robbery took place was boarded up, but open for business on Friday. A store manager, who declined to give his name, said he fears for his life and pleaded with reporters not to suggest that he called police.

“It’s very dangerous,” he said. “They kill us if they think we are responsible. People don’t understand that.”

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Here is his store since then

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Tons of pics of Trevon martin with a gun in his hand, looking like a thug in them. It's not a crime per se, but the point is that does not really paint this kid as Innocent good boy at all! Yet so many people defended him just like they defended Michael Brown as if they are good-doers that's innocent and killed by cops. :whatever:


Are you going to tell me those are photoshopped/faked evidences?

From where I come from, if you are really innocent, you won't have any problem with police!

Which means nothing. "Looking like a thug" is subjective, and means nothing.

As to your second point....

:lmao::lmao::lmao:
 
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No.

Can we please get back to this:
Ferguson police released that surveillance tape knowing that it paints an incomplete picture of what was going on there. Also this was after the FBI told them that it would only aggravate the situation. They released it knowing that it would have no bearing on the case if it ever goes to trial. It shows their character and the lengths they will go to in order to protect their own rather than get an fair understanding a the death of an 18 year old kid. Yet people keep complaining about Brown's character?

This police department is out there. :wow:

It seems we are confusing two issues here...

YES, the police SHOULD NOT have released the tape, their motives are EXTREMELY SUSPECT...

But, that doesn't mean that the video has nothing to do with the entire discussion at hand. The police very well might have tainted solid evidence that the defense could have used, but because of HOW it was released is now prejudicial, when had it not been released, and simply used to show the angry nature of this young man in court, it might well have been allowed. So, the police screwed themselves on that one.

IMO, those that are going to take a full on stand against the officer at all cost, and on all counts should be jumping for joy...that video WILL NEVER be used by the defense that could have been strong evidence for them in a way that will help them now. At least, not IMO.

If the State, and now FBI find that the police officer used the amount of force he needed to to protect himself, IMO, its has nothing to do with the video from the store in and of itself (BTW, they had already seen it, hence why they did not want it released), it will however be proven to them by ballistics, the autopsy and possibly the witnesses that have come out (not having spoke with each other over days of the story growing by leaps and bounds from anger) telling a far different story than the one of a young man who was down on his knees hands up and surrendering.

Also, have we heard the results of the search of the car and the ballistics report from that? That would answer some questions as well.

I'm still not sure that the force used was correct, it still looks excessive to me.....but one thing for sure, the ballistics report and autopsy DO NOT agree with the ANGRY story we are hearing from many of the protesters...THAT is what I'm seeing right now, but I'm not ready to totally say the officer was right, not by a long shot.
 
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Far as I know, there's been nothing released apart from these autopsy reports...which I'm not even certain came from Ferguson's department. I don't think the Police have released any reports on the investigation or reports on the crime or ballistics.
 
Which means nothing. "Looking like a thug" is subjective, and means nothing.

As to your second point....

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

No, I think it clearly means your character is not that great when your 'selfie' is you looking like a thug and a gun in your hand.


I have never been arrested by a cop before. Except there one time it came close, cuz I yelled at a cop, but you know what? My BAD! I calmed down so he didn't arrest me!
 
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Far as I know, there's been nothing released apart from these autopsy reports...which I'm not even certain came from Ferguson's department. I don't think the Police have released any reports on the investigation or reports on the crime or ballistics.

I heard, but only in passing that there was to be a 3rd autopsy? I'm only getting back to the discussion and news tonight. Didn't get to read much this morning on it.
 
Tons of pics of Trevon martin with a gun in his hand, looking like a thug in them. It's not a crime per se, but the point is that does not really paint this kid as Innocent good boy at all! Yet so many people defended him just like they defended Michael Brown as if they are good-doers that's innocent and killed by cops. :whatever:


Are you going to tell me those are photoshopped/faked evidences?

From where I come from, if you are really innocent, you won't have any problem with police!

This is such a naive comment that it's laughable. You're just being embarrassing to yourself in this thread, and that is far milder than what I could say or might wish to say.
 
No, I think it clearly means your character is not that great when your 'selfie' is you looking like a thug and a gun in your hand.


I have never been arrested by a cop before. Except there one time, I yelled at a cop, but you know what? I calm downed and he didn't arrest me!

I'm amazed you say that, especially in a nation where the second amendment is glorified to point of near *********ory level.

I'm amazed you think such photos would "clearly means your character is not that great". That's absurd. Absolutely absurd. Just because someone might have a picture of themselves dressed up like Iron Man...I'd hate to tell you this, but that doesn't make you a hero, a ladies man, or a billionaire.

And as for your exquisite experience with police, you clearly benefited by having some awesome cops around you.

I've had encounters with police that were major pricks for no reason whatsoever. Oh, right...walking in the park. Or driving a car that is clearly too nice for a latino american to be driving.

Yeah, that stop and frisk law in New York really made it so that only "guilty" people had problems with the police.:o
 
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