Superman Returns Rob Liefield wagers on Superman success

Ita-KalEl said:
I have friends that are very good italian comicbooks writers and artists (even famous) and they say that Rob Liefield, with his style, has contributed to ruin the market.

True, his anatomies are deformed, he can't draw perspective to save his life, and he enjoys ripping off marvel's products. Take a look at Fighting American so that you can see why Marvel sued and got court order for some of restrictions to be put on the comic character in order for it to not be a blatant ripoff of Capt America. Not to mention all of the characters in his books have the exact same face!
 
Heh heh heh.....Liefield. :D I didn't know he was still around.

A brief history of Rob Liefeld for those who weren't reading comics 15 years ago:

Liefeld came to public attention as a decent artist while working at DC (Hawk & Dove miniseries) and Marvel (X-Factor #39). He was given a stint at New Mutants where he co-created Cable and relaunched the title as X-Force at the height of the comic book boom in early 90's. He was a popular artist with a growing fan base.

Cable became a popular character during these years and the X-titles (like most comics) were selling very well. Unfortunately, Liefeld felt that he deserved more credit for Cable (despite playing down the fact that he was a co-creator) and dramatically quit Marvel to co-found Image Comics with Jim Lee and Tod McFarlane.

Liefield took his concept for a new Teen Titans series and created Youngblood - amid much multiple cover fanfare that blighted the industry at the time. While the hype around Image meant that the initial issues of Youngblood sold well, Liefeld was unable to produce his titles on time resulting in huge delays at the newsstand. Also, unlike Lee and Mc Farlane, Liefeld strangely started created a glut of unoriginal characters imitating well-known heroes (or "spin offs" as Liefeld calls them), further adding to the delays. Fans became dissatisfied with the inconsistent scheduling during this period. Youngblood was abruptly announced a "miniseries" to cover the inconsistencies, only to have more Youngblood titles announced and launched. Fans began to complain that his issues consisted of nothing but double-splash pages of rushed, sub-standard artwork featuring gun-toting characters

Liefield seemed oblivious to the growing dissatisfaction with his work and frequently did interviews ridiculing DC and Marvel and gloating at his independent success. His strange behaviour reached a height in 1991 when he announced his Doom's IV movie was in production (a Fantastic Four "spin-off") and released a miniseries of the film before the deal was finalised. The film was never produced.

Finally the over-supply of comics (thanks in no small part to Image) resulted in the comic industry crash. The Image "collectors issues" dropped in value from over $100 to $5-$10. Liefeld turned on his Image co-founders, took his characters and left the company. This resulted in titles like Spawn re-writing continuity (since Liefield's character "Chapel" was Spawns original killer). While most remaining Image titles continued publication, Liefield's characters mostly faded into oblivion (with the exception of Supreme thanks to Allan Moore).

In 1997 Liefeld returned to Marvel with other Image co-founders to launch the "Heroes Reborn" titles. Liefeld took over Captain America for a 12 issue revamp. Unfortunately the title performed poorly with many fans criticising the changes in Captain America's costume, along with the familiar too-frequent splash-pages filled with identical looking characters. Liefield was embarrassingly dumped as artist and once again left Marvel on bad terms.

These days Liefeld can be found on internet message boards arguing with kids and trying to convince people (that have never heard of him) that he's a creative giant.

OK that last crack was harsh. :D But Liefeld was always an average artist who rated himself alongside the best in the business. He has frequently mouthed off to get attention and has made a habit of ridiculing DC over the years due to problems he has had with them in the past.
 
Spare-Flair said:
Liefield is a nauseating artist but he has a point, as most people working for the comic industry - they have a real passion for the material and really understand things like no hollywood producers or hollywood hired director who's only interested in a 30 year old film and didn't even read the comics prior to the film. Just like in X-Men when Singer only watched a few episodes of the X-Men cartoon instead of reading the actual comics. When you have comic industry people commenting on a comic book movie, it usually involves their experience, history of probably being huge comic nerds to being with, and true and proper passion to the source material knowing what has suceeded and failed before.

If that's the case, then Nolan has a much bigger advantage over Singer.

But I don't think that Singer is that stupid. I just think with this story alone, he thought it wasn't needed to do research. Call him hard-headed.

But think about this: Singer and CO DID do research with X2, with Chris Cleremount's classic "God Loves, Man Kills". If Singer can do it with the X-Men, he could OF done it with Superman. I just think that Singer thought he was untouchable with SR.
 
Octoberist said:
If that's the case, then Nolan has a much bigger advantage over Singer.

But I don't think that Singer is that stupid. I just think with this story alone, he thought it wasn't needed to do research. Call him hard-headed.

But think about this: Singer and CO DID do research with X2, with Chris Cleremount's classic "God Loves, Man Kills". If Singer can do it with the X-Men, he could OF done it with Superman. I just think that Singer thought he was untouchable with SR.

I wouldn't say Singer and Co researched God Loves, Man Kills at all. Really all they did was take William Stryker, and even then, it wasn't the Stryker of God Loves, Man Kills. Its as if they Googled an obscure X-men villian whom they could get away with completely changing.

If anything, that character could be closest to John Wraith of Ultimate X-men, not William Stryker.
 
^ not to mention the fact that basing a movie on an out-of-continuity throwaway story is a waste of a movie. The fact that they managed a watchable self-contained 2 hour movie doesn't justify the decision or Singers utter lack of interest shown to the most Classic plotlines, relationships, and structure of Uncanny X-Men.
 
Octoberist said:
What the hell was Liefield thinking when he did that ugly Captain America? Seriously. It's not even 'abstract art'.

Did he think that people won't notice? Did he think "I think that looks great". I don't understand.

Rob makes all of the characters he draws look like him. Little beedy eyes and no lips.

If you have some spare time take a picture of him and put it up to all of his work... it is very entertaining if you are like sitting in the DMV or otherwise stuck watching paint dry. :)
 
He reminds me of Mark the Bagger

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UGGH!!!
I hated reading these Teen Titans issues.
They were such a pain because of the art. It just didn't work for me, it was too Manga like. and the story wasn't very good either.
This guys sound like a pompous ass to me.
"Now before I'm homered, remember, I created the most successful spin-off of Superman. I love and adore the character." That guy can go take his story and shove it.
 
He always draws Robin doing that leg extension thing. I must have seen atleast 5 different versions of the same positioning of Robin like that. I think there's one in the Sam Loeb dedication edition of SUPERMAN/BATMAN.......which happens to be the best art I think he's ever put up.
 
Supermanila said:
I would even go as far as to say that SR "might" even make $200 in 7 days... because technically, it has a 7-day opening weekend going for it when it opens on Wednesday all through the 4th of July. But if not, I'm pretty sure it will hit $200 in less than 17 days :)

If it makes 10mil more every day before its 17th day in theater. :spidey:
 
Captain Kirk said:
No need to worry!:up: Superman Returns will be hyped by the audiences who have seen it.The positive feedback that X3 lacked. I'll be a masterpiece. As for Liefeld, he is entitled to an opinion, but a he is sadly lacking in his reasoning. Thank God he is not supervising SR! When SR is a collossal blockbuster, He'll say he knew it would be good all along! Nah, I say ignore 'em, and prepare to be amazed by SR!:)

Is there a certain button here to inform us the date of every post? I really don't want to inform a poster of a thing he may now know.
 

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