Robert Pattinson IS The Batman

Discussion in 'The Batman' started by James.B, May 16, 2019.

  1. metaphysician

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    That requires self-awareness, a willingness to examine *why* you feel a given way. Which, given that the hatred of Twilight and everything associated with it is tied up with some nasty undercurrents of misogyny in geek culture. . .
     
  2. m1ll3r

    m1ll3r Failed experiment

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    Sad... but very true. Twilight is a fantasy genre narrative that is not aimed at young men. Certain subsections of that particular demographic really didn't like that. They basically got all bent out of shape because someone dared to do a genre movie that objectified the male stars as much as the female. These are the same people that got all hot under the collar about Captain Marvel... because, again, it wasn't really aimed at them.

    It's all kinds of pathetic.
     
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    I always believed that performance is far more reliant on writing and directing. Only a handful of actors can make any line of dialog work or at the very least mitigate how terrible it can be. Also a director has to keep the entire vision in check and at the end of each take gives a thumbs up or thumbs down. So when I see a bad performance I just think of a director, sitting there, watching the playback and saying "we got it, moving on" as such actors really have to trust directors that the film is on track.

    George Clooney did a good job, of what was asked of him. The movie was not written to be a dark take on Batman and Clooney is really good at that typical and generic leading man protagonist. So his performance was spot on, as is the rest of the cast. The thing was, the audience did not want a campy Batman movie. The failure was not from the actor's ability or range, but of writing and directing.

    You have to remember that most people who are upset, probably weren't born when that casting was announced and more likely weren't aware of the outrage to begin with. I'm in my 30's and first saw that film with I was 4 or 5 on VHS. I was surprised to learn that Keaton was known as a comedian because that film was my only point of reference for him growing up.

    People's reaction can only be based on what they know prior, unfortunately Patterson hasn't had any mainstream hits that most people are aware of aside from Twilight which understandably leaves a lingering stink around it. I've always operated on the idea of given an actor the chance to do better and very rarely have I ever out right hated a casting choice. It is annoying to see people offer other casting ideas and you can see they're all usually based on actors who've had similar roles to base on. Sometimes we have to trust they nailed the audition that we'll never see until after the film comes out.

    The only two times I outright hated a casting choice that I can think of is Affleck and Eisenberg for BvS. Affleck because I just think he's a terrible actor and I base that on dozens of his previous films and Eisenberg not because of his ability as an actor but of the direction the casting suggested it was going. Turns out I was right at least in my opinion. But every other casting I can think of I just always thought it was either a good choice or "give them a chance"
     
  4. Invader Joker

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    After watching Pattinson in Water for the Elephants, I gotta say, that's probably the best Pattinson has ever looked in a film:

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    Wouldn't mind if he looked like this for Batman, although of course with darker brown hair.

    Although of course, a hairstyle longer and messier could still work [​IMG]
     
  5. Nemeres

    Nemeres Easy, miss. I've got you.

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    I wonder what the modern equivalent of casting Michael Keaton would be. A guy mostly known for comedies but w a few under-the-radar dramatic credits, w an interesting face but overall "wrong" look. Maybe Bill Hader, hehe.
     
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    Why would someone assume that he'd come out like Keaton did? We have hindsight with him. We don't with Pattinson. If I were to give a response, as someone whose not really pro or against either way, I think his face doesn't work for me. It doesn't seem aesthetically pleasing to me. I don't know if I'd want to watch a whole movie I'm supposed to take seriously with his face as that for this.
    Why would that be the case? It seemingly wasn't for Affleck or Keaton, or Eisenberg. Why would it be for Pattinson? Isn't it also as likely that some people don't care what he's done inbetween and care that he was in a movie that wasn't good, based on a book that wasn't good? Same as Affleck was in Daredevil, Keaton was mainly a comedy guy, etc.?
    i think it could also for the same reasons I stated above. Why would it be sexism, when some would argue that material is sexist against women? Why would they take issue with that when most people are fine with many men being objectified in the MCU, the same as, if not more than the women? I think it's not appropriate to claim that that's true. Someone doesn't have to be sexist to do those things. Just like someone can be what would be described as probably kinda racist and want to watch Black Panther and walk out saying they agreed with Killmonger. Ask my mom.
     
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    The Rover came out on one of the HBO channels and i watched it again ,
    The last minutes got me ****** even worse this time
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    RP is so good here, I love his Rey
     
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    Eh, Affleck talking his one percent speech, him running into the demolished buildings, his speech about his legacy, his talk about Superman being more human than he could ever be, I felt all that. I mean, I found myself rooting against Bale in some scenes with Heath. Lol But I still believe Bale never got to that sweet spot that was BB performance for me.
     
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    To be fair, Ledger was a maelstrom of charisma and gravitas in TDK. He swallowed up just about everybody in his path.
     
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    Yup. Bale got worse in my view after BB. Physically and performance wise. BB suit and growl were on the damn money, but Nolan needed new hockey pads and a wider opening for his chin and surprised look to being stabbed. Lol
     
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    Jonah Hill :gngl:
     
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    Bill Hader's probably spot-on for that. He's even got that "naturally a bit creepy" vibe Keaton had, lol.
     
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    Everytime I look at a picture of Pattinson, I feel like they're going to lean heavily on the "dark and weird" with this Bruce/Batman and that's...not a bad thing.
     
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    Hader would be good for sure.

    And then there’s Jake Johnson...
     
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    ^ I'd add Charlie Day as an actor along those lines too. Unfortunately none of these guys (Hader, Johnson, or Day) are quite young enough to play Batman. Maybe a villain? I could maybe see Charlie Day as Riddler, Scarecrow, or possibly Joker even.

    Also John Krasinski and Josh Radnor. Now that I think about it, although Krasinki is a bit old for the role now, he could've been an interesting pick when he was younger. Anyone who's seen either A Quiet Place or Jack Ryan will know the dude has dramatic acting chops.
     
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    Burton didn't care about age when he was making his Batman. In the hypothetical scenario/alternate reality of Burton making his Batman movie today Hader,Jake Johnson and Day would be on his shortlist most likely. Probably Bill Skarsgard and Benedict Cumberbatch as well as Burton is a fan of those crazy looks on actors.
     
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    BIll Hader is so good in Barry.
     
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    Actually, if not for Pattinson, I might've been able to get on board with John Krasinki as a slightly older Batman in an alternate scenario. I don't think he might've worked when he was younger as I mentioned on the previous page, I'd say the older he's gotten the better he's looked for the role. Photo from last year:

    Or since the dude is naturally charismatic & friendly, I could definitely see him as Superman instead of Batman....

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    Take the beard off him and he looks goofy as hell. He wouldn't have been a good traditional Bruce Wayne, but in that alternate "Batman 1989 in 2019" reality he probably would've been on Burton's shortlist.
     
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    Yes Gawd
     
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    Nah, I still think Krasinski would be a far stronger pick to play Superman. Granted, that almost certainly will never happen at this point since we'll probably be waiting a good three to five years before we see the Man of Steel on the big screen again at least and WB will want to cast on the younger side.
     
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    Nah, to me, Supes NEEDS chiseled features, as he can't have a cowl tailor-made to compensate for whatever his face is lacking. It's gotta be all him. Krasinksi wouldn't be a good fit for either character. Reed Richards, sure.
     
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    Zac Efron, Penn Badgley, Jonathan Groff and Nicholas Hoult are my picks for Supes.
     
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    I strongly disagree there, save for Krasinski also making for a good Reed Richards.

    Actually I'm starting to suspect that Supes' god-like physique might be a smokescreen that we fans have wasted decades focusing on when it comes to trying to cast him. Obviously the actor needs to be handsome and fit, certainly, but I think it's far more pivotal to find an actor that can sincerely embody the warmth and optimism that defines Superman, as well as that inconspicuous dweeb-y side of Clark as a news reporter... and that hint of internalized loneliness that we see in Clark in his most private moments.

    So with that in mind, I think a more comedic-based actor is actually the place to look for Superman than your average action hero movie star. It's probably never going to happen though, but it's just something that I've been thinking a lot about lately.
     

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