Robert Pattinson IS The Batman

[Invader Joker]

First of all, this is an even more totally ridiculous conversation than the physique stuff. Trying to rank the hotness or handsomeness of established movie stars is absurd - all those in contention have already passed through incredible filtering and are pre-vetted by either the Hollywood system or populist acclaim as magnetically attractive people. Beauty is subjective and changes with the era. Whatever people think is "hot" today - people 10 or 20 years from now are going to see as dated.

That's not entirely true (In fact I actually don't think it's true at all, I still see a lot of young women drooling over the stars of the past. It's not that hard to find Zoomers on Twitter posting pictures of old actors in their young age and saying "OMG -x actor young- !!" ) but wouldn't that be all the more reason why Michael Keaton would probably be received worse nowadays?

But again. I don't think it's true.

James Dean is an undeniably handsome dude, I personally have a couple of female friends that go completely nuts about him. He was a super handsome dude in the 50s, he still is recognized as such. Same with young Marlon Brando. Same with Paul Newman. Gary Cooper, Gregory Peck. I could show pictures of those guys in their peak to any of my known female friends or acquaintances and they'd tell me they're hot.

Also. In response to your other posts... we know Bruce Wayne is a super handsome dude in the comics because he's drawn as a super handsome dude. They don't have to tell it to us if they draw him as such and they have him flirting with multiple women, not to mention there are indeed a lot of instances in which his female villains and love interests call him handsome. Heck, Talia in one issue said he was more handsome than Superman lol.

Also... how is Keaton more traditionally handsome than Douglas?

Douglas has better hair, jawline, bone structure.

Also, Pattinson on top of having great acting chops, he also happens to be a pretty good looking yet unique looking guy. And heck, even HE receives scrutiny over his appearance by some people comparing him to other superheroes (which I find stupid). You expect me to believe Keaton wouldn't essentially be be flooded to insults nowadays, in the era where almost every single major superhero actor is super handsome and is essentially a model?

And that's not even accounting the fact that there's a giant difference on the way people had their idea of the character then compared to now.

In 1989 most people only knew Batman from the Adam West series. Most people didn't know the comics, his backstory, not anything. Batman was a bit more of a niche comic thing. Most people didn't have an idea in mind of what Batman should be or how Bruce Wayne should look like, so when Keaton appeared on screen as the character, for general audiences they didn't really care.

But now on 2020 we have the animated series, we have the Arkham games, the Telltale games, the Nolan films that lasted 8 years, Affleck, the animated movies, we have people that can just google away "Bruce Wayne" or "Batman" and then they get like a thousand images of the Bruce Wayne from the comics, etc. Some general idea of what Bruce Wayne should look like has been formed in the minds of the public. Granted, all those designs of Bruce Wayne vary in one way or another, but there's a general idea on how handsome and what kind of look he should have. Granted there's a little bit of range on that idea, but still, there's generally some sort of semblance on people's minds and an actor like Keaton just wouldn't fit with that.

 

[Eddie Dean]

In 1989 most people only knew Batman from the Adam West series. Most people didn't know the comics, his backstory, not anything. Batman was a bit more of a niche comic thing. Most people didn't have an idea in mind of what Batman should be or how Bruce Wayne should look like, so when Keaton appeared on screen as the character, for general audiences they didn't really care

 

[Eddie Dean]

 

[Eddie Dean]

 

[DKDetective]

Therefore it's unreliable.

BTW, I apologise for calling you a guy. That denotes an advanced age you may not accept.

Easy there, keep the debate about the actor and not about each other's age or other attributes.

 

[lordofthenerds]

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It's funny looking at this from a contemporary perspective... I think a lot of people assume that Batman fans would have been more lenient back in 1989 - simply glad that a serious adaptation of the comic book character was even being attempted. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

 

[Invader Joker]

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I'm very aware of these complaints. However that doesn't change the fact it was a niche group of people that even knew what Batman was supposed to be beyond the Adam West show.

I've heard countless stories from comic book creators about how back then, comic book nerds were kinda stigmatized. That's why comic con was such a sacred thing to them, because it was the only place were they could really have a sense of community and understanding with other people that liked the same thing they did. Most people didn't read comic books or had any idea about them, much less what Batman is.

Even after the success of Superman, it took Michael Uslan 11 years to convince executives to make a Batman movie. Kevin Conroy said he had no idea about Batman beyond the Adam West show when he went to audition for the role in TAS.

There was more leeway simply due to the fact that most people just didn't know Batman period.

However, now everybody knows Batman at least on a super basic level. I'm not saying most people are super experts on the character but they at least have some idea of him in their heads.

 

[Nardz937]

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All canadians lol.

 

[TheBattinson]

Downey is shorter than Keaton.

By ... a ... lot.

Keaton was handsome. This dude dated Courtney Cox and Michelle Pfieffer. All in their prime.

He had blue eyes, interesting eye brows, and lips.

He’s not an ugly dude. And being a male model isn’t a prerequisite to be Bruce Wayne.

I think Pattinson is a weird looking dude, he won’t be anything close to jacked like say Bale in the role, but he has major acting chops, creepy eyes that could work as like a modern slightly unconventional version of Bruce Wayne just like Keaton.

Invader Joker is obsessed with down playing Keaton. Who is arguably the best Batman. At worst right there with Bale or slightly behind. And the second best Bruce Wayne right there with Affleck after Bale.

 

[Invader Joker]

By ... a ... lot.

Keaton was handsome. This dude dated Courtney Cox and Michelle Pfieffer. All in their prime.

He had blue eyes, interesting eye brows, and lips.

He’s not an ugly dude. And being a male model isn’t a prerequisite to be Bruce Wayne.

I think Pattinson is a weird looking dude, he won’t be anything close to jacked like say Bale in the role, but he has major acting chops, creepy eyes that could work as like a modern slightly unconventional version of Bruce Wayne just like Keaton.

Invader Joker is obsessed with down playing Keaton. Who is arguably the best Batman. At worst right there with Bale or slightly behind. And the second best Bruce Wayne right there with Affleck after Bale.

 

[Deck Rickard]

First of all, this is an even more totally ridiculous conversation than the physique stuff. Trying to rank the hotness or handsomeness of established movie stars is absurd - all those in contention have already passed through incredible filtering and are pre-vetted by either the Hollywood system or populist acclaim as magnetically attractive people. Beauty is subjective and changes with the era. Whatever people think is "hot" today - people 10 or 20 years from now are going to see as dated.

But I'll throw my cap in the ring and I'll keep it to Batman's character...

This is Michael Douglass as Gordon Gekko - the actor himself is a notorious lady's man and the character he is portraying is THE definition of an 80s playboy tycoon. This is exactly the type of person that would have been Bruce Wayne's business world peer in the late 1980s. Of a certain kind of man, from a certain era, Michael Douglas and Michael Keaton, both around 5'10", embodied a certain kind of supremely sexually successful dudes.

Personally, that dude is a lot more conventionally attractive than Michael Douglass. Keaton's Bruce Wayne checks the box of being a billionaire playboy tycoon which is certainly a mandatory aspect of the character - but you'd have to dig up a lot of comic book evidence (beyond the end of Azzarello's Joker) of people drooling all over Bruce Wayne for his raw looks to sell me on the idea that Bruce Wayne being a total smokeshow is a staple of the character.

Peak-level perfection in hotness for Batman is as optional as his underpants. There's a base level of physical attractiveness that Bruce Wayne is expected to have and that every actor who has played him has possessed; but ultra-hot or not, the size of his bank account will always enable Bruce Wayne to be a playboy. Aesthetic perfection is more Superman's deal.

The stars and starlets of today will be looked at much differently tomorrow; it has always been that way. But Hollywood today, more than ever, is employing disposable bodies rather than elevating true stars. It's easy enough to train someone's body - it's not really possible to manufacture charisma and raw magnetism. It's why Robert Downey Jr. gets $75 million dollars and Chris Pratt gets $5m.

(It's also why Robert Pattinson could never have landed the role of Batman, even hot off the bank that Twilight made, if he had gone the route of being a hunk of meat and not a brilliant indie actor. And why he doesn't need to be jacked to the gills to crush it as Batman and Bruce Wayne).

Fun fact! Michael Keaton’s real name is Michael Douglas.

Also, thinking back to Wall Street, it makes me think Michael Douglas could have played an interesting Bruce Wayne back then.

 

[Eddie Dean]

No one knew about Batman before 88 is an all time Invader crazy take.

 

[Captain Tired]

Speaking as a staunchly heterosexual and purely interested in women kinda dude, I'm gonna lay all my cards on the table here.

I think Keaton has one hot ass.

 

[TheBattinson]

No one knew about Batman before 88 is an all time Invader crazy take.

He was -13 years old at the time ... so he knows better

 

[Eddie Dean]

He’s an expert on things that happened before he was born, no matter what evidence you give.

(Full disclosure: I was -1 when Batman 89 came out)

 

[TonyDiego]

Now with the gyms closing down he won't even be able to keep any of the muscle he's built, let alone built any more...

 

[Eddie Dean]

 

[TheGuy]

Big lol at the current topic.

 

[Eddie Dean]

 

[TheGuy]

Is Shaggy secretly Batman???!!!

 

[Eddie Dean]

 

[TheBattinson]

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Actually made me laugh

 

[Invader Joker]

Now with the gyms closing down he won't even be able to keep any of the muscle he's built, let alone built any more...

He's rich. He more than likely has one at home. His girlfriend already posted a tweet where she was facetiming someone (presumably him) training at home

 

[Fincher]

I do have standards for what a superhero actor/actress should look like, although it isn't strictly speaking about being attractive. Since superheroes are conceptually larger-than-life (in terms of a lot of the movies, anyway), I think they should look striking in some way, at least when they're headlining their own film instead of being in a team where others can pick up the slack. This is why I didn't mind that Steve Rogers spent a lot of The Winter Soldier out of costume where I did with Tony Stark in Iron Man 3, because Chris Evans looked like a superhero even when he wasn't dressed up like one. Casting Benedict Cumberbatch didn't make sense to me, but then it seems a lot of women like him. I don't think Alan Cumming was the best choice for Nightcrawler. Kodi Smit-McPhee at least looks interestingly/distinctively weird, while Cumming was just unremarkable-looking.

I have ideas of what Bruce Wayne should look like, and they tend to correspond with handsomeness. However, Bruce Wayne isn't the superhero, Batman is, and what really matters to me is how he looks in the suit and cowl. Keaton looked great as Batman. Meanwhile, Ben Affleck with his leading man looks didn't come off well in the cowl. Maybe a different cowl would have looked better, but I tend to think that cowls/masks just have their own set of rules. Anne Hathaway is a very pretty actress, but she has large eyes for her face, and wearing any sort of mask only accentuated that where she looked to me like she might be playing Owlwoman. Which, if she was playing Owlwoman, then great casting, but she wasn't. The cowl was very flattering for Michelle Pfeiffer, not that Pfeiffer needed the help. Just casting someone who looks good and then figuring out a mask or cowl for them afterward isn't the best approach, as I see it.

 

[shauner111]

Now with the gyms closing down he won't even be able to keep any of the muscle he's built, let alone built any more...

When you’re rich they bring the gym to you.