Robert Pattinson IS The Batman

[Jekecy]

It’s taken way too long for movies to catch up to the contemporary stories. There are plenty of the 2000s and 2010s to take great inspiration from.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Look, you're an actor who doesn't have the time or the expertise of a comic book reader. What do you do when you walk into a comic book shop that can be a bit overwhelming. Think how you first were when you did it. You go in and pick up the recent thing off the shelf because how the hell else are you supposed to know?

That being said, I hope he accidentally picks up RIP.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Perfect Batman casting.

 

[Boom]

Look, you're an actor who doesn't have the time or the expertise of a comic book reader. What do you do when you walk into a comic book shop that can be a bit overwhelming. Think how you first were when you did it. You go in and pick up the recent thing off the shelf because how the hell else are you supposed to know?

That being said, I hope he accidentally picks up RIP.

Morrison definitely seems like he'd be more Pattinson's speed.

 

[Travesty]

Oh god.
This means....
He's been reading Tom King

Yeah, Tom King is the absolute worst Batman writer.

 

[flickchick85]

Oof, he’s making the same mistake my brother did when he wanted to get into Marvel - just wandering into a comic shop. That’s how my brother ended up going home with Avengers vs X-Men as his first Marvel comic and nearly got turned off of Marvel forever, lol.

I never try to get into a new character or title without researching what’s generally considered “the good stuff” first.

 

[hafizbat]

Yeah, it's far better to simply google "best batman stories".

It's much more important for Reeves and the writers to use quality source material than Pattinson, so I'm not worried.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Morrison definitely seems like he'd be more Pattinson's speed.

I was joking with a Batman of Zur en urhh but generally yes. Except that's a hell of one to start someone off with. Norm Breyfogle/Alan Grant or bust.

I'm desperately trying to get my hands on Strange Apparitions, but they don't publish it anymore.

 

[Travesty]

It's much more important for Reeves and the writers to use quality source material than Pattinson, so I'm not worried.

Yeah, I've said the exact same thing before, and I got some crap for it. It's way more important for the writer and director to have a understanding of Batman than the actor. It definitely helps that the actor have some clue as to what is going on, but at the end of the day, the story and direction is what's going to push the characterization. The actor will just help sells whatever is written.

But still, Tom King sucks.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Can someone explain to me what's so wrong with Tom King's Batman? I haven't read a modern Batman comic since the Morrison era.

 

[hafizbat]

Yeah, I've said the exact same thing before, and I got some crap for it. It's way more important for the writer and director to have a understanding of Batman than the actor. It definitely helps that the actor have some clue as to what is going on, but at the end of the day, the story and direction is what's going to push the characterization. The actor will just help sells whatever is written.

But still, Tom King sucks.

Agreed. It seems every newly cast superhero actor posts a pic of themselves reading comics and the fans eat it up. When in reality it probably doesn't make any difference at all, lol.

 

[Travesty]

Can someone explain to me what's so wrong with Tom King's Batman? I haven't read a modern Batman comic since the Morrison era.

For me, his stories just drone on and on, and nothing substantial ever comes about. He's a bit too verbose, and it just comes off way too pretentious. Also, he constantly repeats stuff, and I don't know why he has to do that? It's irritating. You can tell he thinks of himself as being a much smarter writer than he really is. It's like he wants to be Alan Moore, but comes off more like a lead writer for a CW show, and even that's being generous, as I think the CW has better writing....but I think you get the point. It's like he thinks he's writing the new Watchmen, when really, he's just writing a dopey soap opera.

Also, I hate his panel layout. I don't think he really understands how comic book layouts really work. He'll have 10-12 panels of someone just doing something mundane, and the story doesn't really move. There's no flow. Which is all the more frustrating, cause DC gave him 100 issues to tell his terrible story that has gone on wayyyy too long.

 

[Invader Joker]

Just heard the full interview, here's the full quote:

I’m glad I’ve had quite a lot of time, I didn’t realize there were so many Batman comics. Hundreds and thousands. But I’ve been reading a lot of those, and not really just the kind of classics. I just like reading the sort of individual periodicals. It’s nice to kind of see the absolutely contemporary ones, the Tom King ones, stuff like that... I mean, it's interesting to see what people are sort of expecting, where the character sits now within that world. It's very different to where it sits in terms of the movies people see but yeah-it's kind of... it's interesting, I don't even know how much you'll even bring in from those comics but it's nice to sort of get as much assimilation as you can.”

It sounds like he's read the classics before, but he's mostly curious to see where the character is right now and that's why he's reading the modern stuff; he just wants to get an overall feel for the entire character up to the point in which he's been developed as of right now.

I wonder if he'll play the Arkham games or watch the animated series.

Also, it's really important for an actor to understand his character lol. Sure he needs good direction and a script too but make no mistake, an actor absolutely needs to understand his character to get a good sense on how to play him, how to read certain lines, etc...

 

[Boom]

I think we're gonna be OK.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The comics help provide background, but at the end of the day it's what's in the script, which is just like the comics. Another interpretation.

 

[Invader Joker]

Yeah but it's not like it's completely useless to read comics especially when Matt Reeves and his screenwriter seem to be reading a lot of comics as well. Mattson Tomlin has also been reading the contemporary stuff.

 

[Travesty]

Also, it's really important for an actor to understand his character lol. Sure he needs good direction and a script too but make no mistake, an actor absolutely needs to understand his character to get a good sense on how to play him, how to read certain lines, etc...

But an actor has to be playing the character that the writer and director have laid out. They could have a completely different take on Batman. So for example, if he's only read Frank Miller's TDKR, and yet, Matt Reeve's Batman is nothing like that, then what's the point of Pattinson understanding Miller's TDKR? The vast majority of actors are there to act out what is in the script. Most actors aren't on the creative side of film making. Yes, an actor needs to understand the character, but in this case in particular, that character he needs to understand, is Matt Reeve's version of Batman, more so than some random Batman writer.

Andrew Garfield was an avid Spiderman fan and understood that character quite well, but in the end, it didn't really matter for that particular version that we saw in live action. Andrew Garfield's knowledge of the character didn't save that movie. Like I said, it definitely helps if the actor has more knowledge with the history of the character, but in the end, it's way more important how the director sells us on his version.

 

[Invader Joker]

Bottomline is: he's reading comics, that's a good thing. The end.

 

[The Batman]

Yeah, I don't know about his other works, but Tom King is bad when it comes to writing Batman.

Also, this man did not need 85 issues to tell his story.

 

[Travesty]

Yeah, I don't know about his other works, but Tom King is bad when it comes to writing Batman.

Also, this man did not need 85 issues to tell his story.

He could've done it in 5-7, but he has 100. His comic just keeps droning on and on. Someone, please, make it stop.

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, I don't know about his other works, but Tom King is bad when it comes to writing Batman.

I can't comment on his Batman, but his other stuff is brilliant, imo.

 

[The Batman]

He could've done it in 5-7, but he has 100. His comic just keeps droning on and on. Someone, please, make it stop.

The Best thing DC did was was take him off the main Batbook and just give him his own BatCat title.

I can't comment on his Batman, but his other stuff is brilliant, imo.

I heard he did a good job on Mr. Miracle. I dunno, maybe he's a guy who's great with lesser known characters, but not the super-iconic ones.

 

[flickchick85]

I heard he did a good job on Mr. Miracle. I dunno, maybe he's a guy who's great with lesser known characters, but not the super-iconic ones.

I love his Superman writing, though. And he did a great job with Kyle Rayner on Omega Men, imo. Maybe it's more that he's better with mini/maxi-series than with long, ongoing titles, IDK.

 

[DeadlyWest]

Tom King's really good at the character studying of Batman, in his comics. A lot of the individual issues are really good character analysis' of Bruce Wayne. Problem is...

he's pretty bad at literally everything else.

Either way, Tom King's not a terrible start for someone who simply wants to understand the modern day incarnation of Batman, there's plenty of character studying in them. Just not much else.

 

[Mani-Man]

Wait, where is my batsignal when it comes to talking about how bad Tom Kings batman run is...i need to be informed when this happens. XD

Giving the guy a 50+ run just for is batcat fanfiction...oh DC, you were desperate.

Tom King's really good at the character studying of Batman, in his comics. A lot of the individual issues are really good character analysis' of Bruce Wayne. Problem is...

he's pretty bad at literally everything else.

Either way, Tom King's not a terrible start for someone who simply wants to understand the modern day incarnation of Batman, there's plenty of character studying in them. Just not much else.

What? When?
Most of his stuff is "Oh im Bruce wayne, im so alone and have nobody because im cursed to be batman in a world that is so awful...please ignore my whole support system and everything...the only one who can save me and understand me completely is catwoman who i want to but cant let me save with her super awesome female private parts.

His whole character study is of a Bruce Wayne that is outdated.
A rage filled guy who hates everything, who loaths himself and is batman because he has some kind of death wish.
A batman that believes he cant be happy with being batman.

Add to that the bad dialogue and otherwise empty storys...there is a good reason why he has to leave 15 issues earlier than he was supposed to.

For a early timeline movie it works, not a take i would like if they go with it...but if you go with a bruce that hasnt worked with the justice league, who doesnt have his sons and daughters etc, then you can go with tom kings characterization.