Robin Begins

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Christopher Nolan has stated that as long as he’s directing the Batman movies, there will be no Robin. Fair enough.

But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible for Robin to be introduced in the Nolan-verse after Chris has left and somebody else cool takes over.

The way I see it, if Robin didn’t work, he would not still be around in the comics. He would have been quietly fazed out like so many other characters that didn’t work for one reason or another. But he’s stuck around for over 65 years and he’s not going away. That is why I firmly believe that seeing a new Robin in the movies is only a matter of time. And a few other things. But I say it can be done.

Like I said, there are things about Robin that really work. Here’s a few:
WHAT WORKS:
The Origin: All adaptations favor Dick Grayson mainly because he has the best origin. It echoes the demise of Bruce’s parents and cuts right to the core of Batman mythology. On “The Batman,” they reworked the origins of most of the other characters, but stuck very close to the comics with Robin’s origin (I’m not holding it against them, I’m just saying.)
The Training: Hard to go wrong with this one. Like Bruce’s training, this is a period in Dick’s life that is often referred to but rarely seen, and could easily be an engaging onscreen evolution from teenage acrobat to full-fledged crime fighter.
The Character: Dick Grayson is one of the most wonderfully complex, interesting, and fully-formed heroes in the DCU, and the thought of seeing his evolution is almost as appealing as Batman’s.

And then there are those pressing matters that make Mr. Nolan say no.
WHAT DOESN’T:
The Costume: I think this is the biggest one. If Batman dresses in all black, why does he bring along the kid wearing the bright colors? Is it to draw fire? Is it so Bats can keep an eye on him? Is he supposed to confuse his enemies with the dazzling array of colors?
Remedy: Not sure. Probably want to go with something more akin to his current look
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but I just don’t see the yellow in the cape working.
The Mask: (Subcategory of costume.) Sure, Clark Kent gets by with a pair of glasses, but bullets bounce off his head, too. And when you’re jumping across rooftops and going up against bad guys armed with everything from baseball bats to anti-tank guns, one would think that Bruce would insist that his young sidekick wear something to better protect his skull than that little Zorro-band.
Remedy: Maybe Dick gets a cowl that covers his head. Maybe wearing a cowl throws off his balance as an acrobat. Maybe his cape comes with a hood. Stranger things were explained away in Batman Begins (memory cloth anyone?).
The Boy Wonder: The image of Batman with this little kid tagging along always seemed far-fetched. That’s probably why on BTAS, Dick is in college, and in Forever they made Dick much older at the outset.
Remedy: There’s a lot that can be reimagined. For starters, “The Boy Wonder” could easily be his circus show name, and that’s the last we’d hear of it. With what little the press and the criminals know for sure about Batman, they would know even less about Robin (like they’d never guess he’s a teenager.) This is probably the area that requires the most work.

That’s everything I’ve got so far. Did I miss anything?
 
I like this idea :woot:

I just hope Chris Nolan or Bryan Singer makes the movie.
I don't wanna see no Sam Raimi after what he did with Spidey 3.
 
Way I see it, if they want to make Bruce look as un-asshat like as possible, have Dick be a teenager, around 16 or 17, who becomes a vigilante on hiw own, completely independant of Bruce, to get revenge, and Bruce reluctantly trains him and equipts whim to make sure he doesn't get killed, since Bruce can't convince him to stop.
 
Way I see it, if they want to make Bruce look as un-asshat like as possible, have Dick be a teenager, around 16 or 17, who becomes a vigilante on hiw own, completely independant of Bruce, to get revenge, and Bruce reluctantly trains him and equipts whim to make sure he doesn't get killed, since Bruce can't convince him to stop.

Yeah, I was thinking something like that too, that Dick first goes out and fights crime without Bruce's knowledge. Once big-time detective Bruce figures it out, Dick would passionately defend his actions and Bruce would realize how similar he and Dick really are.
 
Yeah, I was thinking something like that too, that Dick first goes out and fights crime without Bruce's knowledge. Once big-time detective Bruce figures it out, Dick would passionately defend his actions and Bruce would realize how similar he and Dick really are.

Way I see it, Bruce should be againts Dick's actions for a good chunk of the time, because, let's face it, Bruce is incredibly over protective of everyone and can be extremely hypocritical, but conceeds to train and finance him as he knows that Dick isn't going to back down. It isn't until later that Bruce becomes more supportive in an emotional sense.
 
I like this idea :woot:

I just hope Chris Nolan or Bryan Singer makes the movie.
I don't wanna see no Sam Raimi after what he did with Spidey 3.

to hell with bryan singer. he sucked on superman returns, and skipped out on masks for everyone on x-men. what makes you think he knows anything about superhero costumes?
 
to hell with bryan singer. he sucked on superman returns, and skipped out on masks for everyone on x-men. what makes you think he knows anything about superhero costumes?

If you check IMDB.com Superman Returns has a 6.9 rating which is a pretty good rating and his three x-men movies have a 7.3 rating, a 7.1 and a 7.9 rating! He's a lot better than Sam Raimi and he's a good director.
 
introduce Dick as a kid when his parents die and Bruce takes him in. Then have his traing taking 5+ years so that he'll be in his mid-late teens when he becomes Robin.

As for the costume, if I had a scanner I'd bring up some sketches I did. My take combined elements of the begins suit, Tim Drakes current outfit, and Robin's 'The Batman' design.
 
Christopher Nolan has stated that as long as he’s directing the Batman movies, there will be no Robin. Fair enough.

That's not exactly true. All Nolan said was that Robin shouldn't be introduced for a couple films, and that he doens't think he'll be making Batman movies long enough for that to happen. In other words, he only wants to make a few, and that's not enough time to bring Robin in.
 
This is how I would introduce Robin, and how I feel Chris should do it:

In part 3 have Bruce Wayne adopt Dick Grayson (who should be around the age of 16-17). The two don't get along well. Dick isn't looking for a father figure to replace his recently deceased one, while Bruce is trying everything he can do to fill that void in Dick's heart. The only problem is with him constantly and secretly moonlighting as a costumed crimefighter, this puts a big gap in between the two. Dick talks to Alfred from time to time, sometimes about how Billionaire Playboy Bruce Wayne isn't the type of person he'd like to be around as he might not be a good role model. We can also show scenes of Dick hanging out with the wrong crowd, drinking and what not, performing daredevil like stunts to impress his new friends and stuff like that. This slowly brings him towards the criminal life (much like Bruce's early days while traveling the world).

After we see Bruce bailing Dick out of trouble numerous times, they being to grow a little closer and Bruce begins sparring with him (but not as training, just as a way for Dick to release some of his anger and stuff). Their relationship beings to grow a bit stronger and healthier, and meanwhile Dick tries to use some of his new fighting skills to go after Tony Zucco, the man responsible for his parents death, but he is stopped by Batman. The two get into an argument, and Batman accidentilly drops a hint of who he really is to Dick (somewhat like his line to Rachel Dawes in "Batman Begins" before tending to the city) and then leaves. Dick begins to wonder if Bruce could be Batman, but quickly brushes off his crazy thoughts.

Towards the end of the film, he could accidentilly (or purposely, it doesn't matter) discover the Batcave. And it could end just like that.
 
If you check IMDB.com Superman Returns has a 6.9 rating which is a pretty good rating and his three x-men movies have a 7.3 rating, a 7.1 and a 7.9 rating! He's a lot better than Sam Raimi and he's a good director.


Singer only did the first two X movies, broski.
 
In regards to age, i'd have there be a large gap in between when he's adopted and when he becomes Robin. Have his parents die and get adopted at around... 14. He could end the movie at that age, and when the next movie starts up, he's older (17?) and is just finishing his years of training, and putting on the costume for the first time.
 
well hehehe i thought about this one already, dick's parents die and ironically he starts looking to the batman as a source of inspiration and kinda becomes a cool wannabe batman, when bats figures this out he has simpathy realizes the similiarity between them he takes him in and hones his skills as a trainee in the war on crime.
 
ratings or not, singer had 80 years of history for superman and he didnt even get the hair right. and thats just the tip of the iceberg. x-men and x2 were love letters to hugh jackman. and as much as i thought jackman rocked as wolverine, everyone else lacked. halle berry was terrible as storm. cyclops was terribly under used. rogue was a weakling who managed to avoid every major fight. and singer is terrible at establishing characters in the 1st film. he needs a sequel before we really start caring. as for superman. where to start? the terrible plot? the obvious homage to donner? the weak and ******ed lois? the hetero-sexually questionable superman or the bastard child he had with lois? or perhaps luthor playing the anna nicole smith card?

ill take 2 good raimi films and a 3rd installment letdown over singer any day.
 
Lol


As for Robin, shouldn't be introduced until at least a 4th film.
 
If the Teen Titans movie happens with Dick Grayson in it; this wont...
I think it was said the other day that the Teen Titans movie won't be in the continuity of Superman Returns or Batman Begins.

Thus, your argument is a tad void on account of continuity.

RE the OP - I can see Robin happening. Dick loses his parents when he's about 12 (a bit older than Bruce was when his parents died, but not too old). Bruce takes him in.

As he gets older, he is filled by feelings of hatred and anger. Bruce tries to pin down Zucco, but fails. Grayson tries to go after him, but fails. Bruce gives him a lecture (being protective and hypocritical). Etc etc etc.

He should suit up around 15-16, as I see it. Honestly though, if he only gets brought in at 16-17 (as someone suggested earlier), then it doesn't work IMO. He needs to be younger, and Bruce starts training him on the job.

And one thing that always needs to be there - Bruce needs to be trying to push Dick out of it, every single time. Ever protective, isn't he?
 
introduced- and killed off in- the same film
 
ratings or not, singer had 80 years of history for superman and he didnt even get the hair right. and thats just the tip of the iceberg. x-men and x2 were love letters to hugh jackman. and as much as i thought jackman rocked as wolverine, everyone else lacked. halle berry was terrible as storm. cyclops was terribly under used. rogue was a weakling who managed to avoid every major fight. and singer is terrible at establishing characters in the 1st film. he needs a sequel before we really start caring. as for superman. where to start? the terrible plot? the obvious homage to donner? the weak and ******ed lois? the hetero-sexually questionable superman or the bastard child he had with lois? or perhaps luthor playing the anna nicole smith card?

ill take 2 good raimi films and a 3rd installment letdown over singer any day.

Well said, and I completely agree with you.
 
I think it was said the other day that the Teen Titans movie won't be in the continuity of Superman Returns or Batman Begins.

Thus, your argument is a tad void on account of continuity.

Uhh that wasnt the reason. Its unlikely theyll use the same character in 2 DC film franchaises running at the same time.

DC never does that. They have rights and restrictions on the characters they use for their films.
 
Robin needs to be at the same age when Bruce was when his parents died to make the parallel run better, and also so there would be more of a need for a parent figure for him and for Bruce to make more of an impact in his life. Training with a guy since you were 10 or something will make you see him more of a father figure then if you met him when you were 16 or 17. People need to consider the personal relationship between Dick and Bruce more then the professional one, since I think dampening these aspects would hurt more then having a Robin thats too young. And I agree that Robin should go into training for several years before going on the job.

And we don't know how Teen Titans will pan out, or how long it will take for Robin to appear in the Batman films. And if Dick Grayson as Nightwing will cause problems for him appearing as Robin, maybe they can alternatively use Tim Drake.
 
Here's how you do Robin in a movie...

1. You can use the Dick Grayson name if you want, and you can even use to the dead circus parents part, but you need to combine it with Tim Drake. Say his parents were killed when he was around the same age as Bruce was when his did, and he was shipped off to foster homes. He hears about the Batman, and starts to develop detective skills as time goes by. When he gets to be 16/17 he finally realizes who Batman really is, and seeks him out. There you go for the origin. That also fixes his age problem. And because he was a circuis performer, he was already in good shape, and because he's been obbsessed with finding and joining Batman since he was 12, he's probably trained himself how to fight and survive quite a bit.

2. Use the Red Robin costume from Kingdom Come, with darker tones and no yellow. That solves your costume issue, and would disguise his age to criminals.
 
Uhh that wasnt the reason. Its unlikely theyll use the same character in 2 DC film franchaises running at the same time.

DC never does that. They have rights and restrictions on the characters they use for their films.
My apologies. I didn't realise that.

But it is true that the TT project might not get off the ground, and there is the option of using Tim Drake instead (we've seen Dick before, so Tim might avoid those nasty "ewwwww, BF/B&R" comments).
 

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