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Robin Hood

POTC is basically the closest we got to a Robin Hood-esque type movie made today.

Yeah, my favorite Robin Hood stories were the ones where he fights walking skeletons and fish-people. :hehe:

In all seriousness though, I can see where you're coming from. I think though that, this is Ridley Scott we're talking about here. He doesn't do "lighthearted." Perhaps he shouldn't have taken a stab at a story like Robin Hood, but that might only be because of the way that the Robin Hood legend has been perceived over time. Most likely, if such a man truly existed, he wouldn't have been all that "merry." The times of King John, King Richard and The Crusades were a dark time; most of the Robin Hood book and movies have been lightened up so as not to appear too depressing.
 
By the end of the first hour of the film you should A) start the story off B) Have some type of conflict which causes him to train in archery C) Have him perfect his craft D) Officially become Robin Hood the Green Arrow.

That's the movie I wanna watch :wow:
 
This basically sounds like what they did to King Arthur with Clive Owen a few years back. Owen in theory sounds like a great King Arthur, the problem was nothing in that movie was like the Arthur stories we grew up with.
 
I'm thinking it would've been better if they went with the original idea of focusing on the Sheriff of Nottingham and have Robin Hood be a villian.
 
Just got back from seeing Robin Hood, my review is as follows. It's kind of a sad that in the history of cinema we've had very few really good interpretations of Robin Hood on film, in fact I'd go so far to say the the folklore has yet to be handled in the epic way it probably deserves, and unfortunately Ridley Scott's take on the character does little to change anything.

What we get out of this tale is a film that has no idea what story it's trying to tell, it's not quite about Robin Longstride seeking anything in particular, it's not quite about robbing from the rich and giving to the poor, it's not quite about the Prince John's desire for power, it's not quite the story of the Magna Carta, it's not quite a love story, this feels like a script that's been tossed around more times than a tennis ball at Wimbledon. It's a muddled mess where nothing remains the focus for any great length of time, one moment we're being told of Robin's back story, only for that to be swept under the carpet as the French start to invade England, it's like nothing feels complete. An annoyance throughout the film is the overuse of titles appearing telling us where the scene is taking place, 'Nottingham', 'York', etc, this happens at least 12 maybe 15 times in the film, that's always a sign of bad story telling if you have to rely on titles so much.

It's a damn shame about the story because the acting is top notch and the look of the film is fantastic, the attention to detail is phenomenal. Russel Crowe brings his A-Game, although at times he does come across a little to Maxiumus like, I'll be honest I could watch him in anything. His Midlands accent is surprisingly good, I'd seen some footage where it seemed off but it's pretty seamless throughout. Cate Blanchette is great as Marion, again I could watch her in anything, this Marion is no damsel in distress, Cate brings an edge to the character that we've never seen before. Unfortunately for the two of them the chemistry between them is weak, but I put that down entirely to the script, both try the best the can to make it work, but ultimately it just never feels right. It's damn shame that two of our finest exports first appearance together was in this film, a bit of a wasted opportunity. The rest of the cast is solid, you won't find any complaints here, but no-one really stand out, Oscar Isaac as Prince John is probably the highlight, William Hurt does his thing and Mark Strong is solid.

The big complaint I have with this film is what little resemblance it has to Robin Hood folklore. Whilst I have no problem telling the story from a more grounded and serious perspective what ultimately is missing is the of romanticness of the legend. There's no real love story between Robin and Marion, there's no real outlaw-ishness, the Sherrif of Nottingham is barely seen, there's really nothing about this movie that is Robin Hood like except for maybe a few scene's here or there. It's kinda hard to explain but you don't walk out thing you've just seen a RH film.

The inevitable Gladiator comparisons will come, and rightfully so, the first 20 mins is almost a shot for shot remake of the opening of Gladiator, tone, look, action, the camp night sequence. Was Scott trying to pay homage to himself? I don't know, but there are times when you watch this and say to yourself 'Gladiator'.

In the end, Robin Hood is a mild movie that never delivers any real punches, it would have been interesting to have seen the Nottingham story they original had planned, with the Sheriff as more of the good guy, but alas we have what we have. I believe the intention was there to make a great movie, everyone clearly takes what they're doing seriously, but it just doesn't hit the mark it's trying to reach. If you end up seeing this film I'd suggest focusing on the actors and the design of the movie because the story won't hook you. In 10-15 years time when Robin Hood is once again reexamined perhaps then we'll finally get that great epic the legend deserves, until that day Errol Flynn might just have to do.

5/10.
 
The only way to enjoy this is to pretend it's not about Robin Hood it seems.
 
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You know what Ridley Scotts Robin Hood needs? The Abbott.
 
Saw it.... and enjoyed it a lot:hehe: sort of a Robin Hood begins but with no real soul nonetheless.....that's the shame even if it's really efficient, I think a sequel would do the trick to develop the Robin Team in the woods !
 
I declare this movie to be, AN OUTLAAAAAWWWWWWW.....of cinema.
 
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REVIEW: ROBIN HOOD

Imagine if you went to see Batman Begins and the entire movie featured Bruce Wayne engaged in a legal battle with the city of Gotham over zoning, and there was a guy named Joe Kerr on the City Council Planning Board who was obviously going to be important later on but did nothing at all the whole film. And then imagine that, in the last three minutes of the film, Wayne finally put on that famous mask and a voice over explained to us that from then on he would be the crimefighter we all know as Batman, and he would have many adventures.
That's Robin Hood - a giant cock tease of a movie that purports to be the secret origin of that archer who steals from the rich and gives to the poor, but is actually yet another variation on Braveheart's anachronistic call to democracy. In this film Robin is barely seen using his signature bow and arrow, and instead of King John's gold he's looking for the enfranchisement of the good people of England. A proper subtitle for this film might well have been Robin Hood: Rise of the Magna Carta.
And that's one problem, to have a movie called Robin Hood that's totally not about the Robin Hood character we know, but it's another to have a bad movie called Robin Hood that's totally not about the Robin Hood character we know. I've seen the entire film and I'm not sure that I could tell you what the story of it is; I could explain to you the basic events that occur during the course of the film, and how they're connected chronologically, but that's not really a story. This film isn't actually about anything; there's no forward plot momentum throughout and characters do things simply because they need a way to pass the time and get to the next scene.

"Young" Robin Hood is a slightly roguish archer in Richard the Lionheart's army, having gone to fight in the Middle East and now coming home to England. King Richard is killed and the crown is almost lost through treachery, but Robin and his men get it and bring it back to England. For reasons that aren't particularly interesting they pretend to be knights of the realm; when they get back to England Robin continues the charade, pretending to be the dead Sir Robin Loxley and heads to that guy's ancestral estate in Sherwood Forest. For reasons that also aren't particularly interesting Sir Robin's father insists that Robin Hood keep pretending to be his son, and pretend to be married to Maid Marion. And then everybody fights in a big war.

It's the same swords and mud ******** Ridley Scott cranks out every second or third picture these days, but the returns have diminished so much as to border on unwatchable. The guy can make these sorts of movies in his sleep and I'm not entirely sure that isn't what he's done here. There's not a compelling storyline in the film, and the movie's constant refrain of liberty and freedom is tedious. Yes, there are sociopolitical elements to the Robin Hood myth, but this film foregrounds them to the point that Robin Hood comes off more Norma Rae than Prince of Thieves. I'm not sure I ever wanted to sit through a scene where the bandit of Sherwood Forest delivers a 'rousing' speech about freedom to the King of England and assembled landowners, but Brian Helgeland's script made me do it anyway.

Robin Hood as political agitator might not be so bad if it was accompanied by Robin Hood as master archer, but this movie doesn't have much time for trick shots. Robin Hood famously began life as Nottingham, a script whose main conceit was that the Sheriff of Nottingham was Robin Hood, but those interesting edges were smoothed out - taking with them almost anything that would make Robin Hood identifiable to audiences. The Merry Men are there (and we get a meet cute with Friar Tuck as well), but they seem to be the only elements that are taken from the mythology. I'm not some kind of Robin Hood purist here, but it's hard for me to believe somebody spent 200 million dollars on a Robin Hood movie and forgot to fill it with cool bow and arrow scenes. That just seems like the first thing you'd include - at least before you'd include a massive beachfront assault on England by France, which this movie bafflingly climaxes with.

Not only are the familiar elements of the myth missing, but I'm not sure when Robin Hood will have time to develop them. The main character, like everyone else in this movie, is incredibly ****ing old. I feel like a soulless studio exec saying this, but it's weird watching the origin story of a character when that character is being played by a bloated guy in his late 40s. Considering the health care of his time, Robin Hood appears to only have a couple of good years left in him before the arthritis starts taking his joints and really keeps him from pulling off any trick shots. The rest of the cast is equally aged, with Cate Blanchett being made to look perversely ragged and awful. What possessed Ridley Scott to make this beautiful woman look like a dirt farmer is anyone's guess.

Maybe I wouldn't mind how old everyone was if anybody was any good in their roles. Russell Crowe is flavorless in the lead, and his arc feels non-existent. He's supposed to be a rogue at the beginning, a guy who is out for himself and himself only, but before the end of the first act he's pretty much being selfless. The script bends over backwards to explain that his deeds - like returning the crown of Richard to England or pretending to be Loxley - are self-serving, but they never come across that way. He seems like a pretty okay guy right from the start, a rogue who is about ten shades nicer than such notably harmless rogues as Han Solo. If Crowe had a sparkle in his eye this could work, but he has the dead eyes of a shark, and he stomps through the movie with the grace of a wounded rhinoceros. Errol Flynn shouldn't worry about Crowe usurping his Robin Hood crown.

Blanchett is mostly irritating as the *****y Maid Marion; the film tries to create a screwball relationship between the leads but fails miserably. There's almost no chemistry between them, and at one point when Marion makes Robin sleep with the dogs you feel everybody is a bit happier (except maybe the dogs). Because this is the 21st century she ends up wielding a sword, and you have to wonder why anybody wanted that development. With everybody's anachronistic social mores I was surprised she wasn't agitating for abortion on demand.

Mark Strong appears in his 75th villian role this month; his character, who could be named BadGuyicus for all the subtlety of him, is a traitor to England and a general all-around *****ebag. There's an extended amount of boring-ass political intrigue involving Strong, King John (played with teeth-grinding flamboyance by Oscar Isaac) and a generally befuddled William Hurt as the king's advisor. Strong is playing both sides (for some reason hostilities with France makes up the main background of this Robin Hood story) and people stand around in castles and courtyards and talk about it and about taxes and about how Lionheart was really a dick and all sorts of stuff that nobody ever wanted to see in a ****ing Robin Hood movie. It really does feel like this script was pulled out of storage when the Nottingham script was tossed out, and Helgeland just did a find/replace on all the character and place names. I only wish that he had done some more editing and figured out a way to actually work the Sheriff of Nottingham into the story; Matthew Macfadyen appears in a couple of scenes that feel curiously disconnected from everything else, and he and Crowe have almost no (or maybe none at all - it's hard to remember, as this generic movie slips away from my memory) scenes together. They're doing the origin of Robin Hood, but his main antagonist has no place in it.

I will give Robin Hood one thing to its credit - it isn't as boringly monochromatic as so many of Scott's recent films. There are actually colors in this one, and the green of the English countryside looks nice. But that, and a half-hearted appreciation for the woefully underutilized Merry Men (a group of personality driven ne'er-do-wells don't have much chance to stand out in battle scenes featuring hundreds of combatants), are all the praise I can really give this dull, overlong mess of a movie. There are some who might think that my negative opinion is simply because this Robin Hood didn't deliver the character in a way that I wanted him. That's partially true - I wanted the character delivered in a way that resembled, beyond his name, the well-known legend - but if this movie was actually decent I might have liked it. If there had been a compelling story or lively performances or a feeling that Ridley Scott was simply burning through unused battle scene storyboards from Gladiator or Kingdom of Heaven I might have liked Robin Hood.

This film is the epitome of what's wrong with Hollywood's modern prequel mania. It's a movie that tells no story, that offers no new insight into the characters and that's all about putting everybody into the positions you'd rather have seen them at in the beginning. The last moments finally see Robin and his Merry Men living in Sherwood Forest, but you have to sit through two and a half hours to get there, and as soon as they are set up the movie goes to credits. There can be no sense of discovery in a movie like this, and there can be no sense of danger. You know the ultimate outcome, so everything that happens is just treading water. Instead of giving us a revisionist take or a showing us a new perspective on an old story, Robin Hood is the equivalent of a movie about James Bond's first day at the office. Here he is driving to work! Here he is being shown the break room! Here he is setting up his voicemail! And at the end M calls him into her office and says, "Bond, we're assigning you to field work." Smash cut to credits.


3 out of 10
 
i disagree with Devin 80 percent of the time, but when he's on the mark, he's as sharp as an arrow.
 
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/robin_hoods_mark_strong.html

Didn't the original script portray the Sheriff of Nottingham as the good guy?
You're absolutely right. In the original treatment and ideas for the film, there was the possibility that the character of Robin, in returning from the Crusades, would be mistaken for, and encourage the mistake, of being mistaken for the Sheriff of Nottingham. In that particular incarnation of the story, as the sheriff, he would get to see the injustices of the king in his need to raise taxes, and then he becomes an outlaw in order to correct those injustices. That was the original idea of Nottingham, as it was then called.
 
Well there is always the other movie this weekend with Queen Latifa and Common... Just Wright. Might soothe any Cavaliers fans if anything.
 
What a ****ing disaster on every level. I wonder sometimes if Scott can make good movies anymore.
 
That was great! The best part about it? It **** in the face of everyone who thinks they know what Robin Hood is supposed to be - and yet this worked. Put aside everything you know about Robin Hood, and as a movie it worked. My only complaint is that the theme of the movie -the love of between a father and a son- should have been explored far more. Either the opening should have been what happened to Robin as a boy, or there should have been more flashbacks to Robin's relationship with his father, especially after he talks to the guy that dies in his arms and then once he meets with the old man, things start making sense.

On a technical standpoint, I found the cinematography was very hit and miss.

That said, I give this movie a 7.5/10
 
^ Even if you do put aside everything you know about RH it's still not a good film.
 
Okay, I'm a big Ridley Scott and Russell Crowe fan. Crowe is one of the best leading actors in Hollywood today and I personally think Scott has done some amazing work in the last ten years after a dormant period in the 1990s. Gladiator was a masterpiece and Matchstick Men, as well as American Gangster were very underrated. And while flawed, I think the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven is an amazing film.

But I'm hearing nothing but bad reviews about this new Robin Hood. Nobody I know seems to like it.


So, to any fans of this film please tell me why I, somebody who deeply treasures the 1938 Erroyl Flynn masterpiece....and still has a soft spot for the Kevin Costner film (sue me, it is fun and has great music!)....is this really worth it? Is this a case of AG or KOH where a good Scott film is just unappreciated upon initial release or did this film really mis the mark? Because in all honesty if this Robin is just Gladiator II, we have a problem because Robin needs to pop with adventure...not scream in the mud.

Thanks for any help.
 
solid 6/10
strictly because i like russell crowe....although his character was...not as interesting as i thought hed be...alot of ******ed moments...im gonna go watch gladiator right now to make up for this slight disappointment
 
Okay, I'm a big Ridley Scott and Russell Crowe fan. Crowe is one of the best leading actors in Hollywood today and I personally think Scott has done some amazing work in the last ten years after a dormant period in the 1990s. Gladiator was a masterpiece and Matchstick Men, as well as American Gangster were very underrated. And while flawed, I think the Director's Cut of Kingdom of Heaven is an amazing film.

But I'm hearing nothing but bad reviews about this new Robin Hood. Nobody I know seems to like it.


So, to any fans of this film please tell me why I, somebody who deeply treasures the 1938 Erroyl Flynn masterpiece....and still has a soft spot for the Kevin Costner film (sue me, it is fun and has great music!)....is this really worth it? Is this a case of AG or KOH where a good Scott film is just unappreciated upon initial release or did this film really mis the mark? Because in all honesty if this Robin is just Gladiator II, we have a problem because Robin needs to pop with adventure...not scream in the mud.

Thanks for any help.

Do yourself a favour, save your hard earns and wait for RH to come out on DVD and go rent it from Blockbuster when it's no longer in the new release section.
 
i'm shocked that not a lot of people are mentioning the Sheriff of Nottingham.
 

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