RoboCop Returns?

[Cagefighterkip]

ill reserve judgment (though i think its a good idea to remake/reboot) until i see the flick but im gonna try not to get too excited till i hear what talent will be making the flick

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea its a long ways from happening. Hopefully they get the right cast, director, and script and stay faithful to the characters.

 

[Lighthouse]

I might not be so dead set against a remake if it weren't for the fact that this movie will be a flashy, castrated, *****fied crapfest. They don't have the balls to make a movie like the original Robocop anymore. Unless they somehow get Werner Herzog to direct it, I'm not gonna have any interest.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well it is way to early to tell what the direction the film will be and will it be the same hardcore action the first film was. At the liscesing thing it was reported the studio wants to make it R like original was.

 

[dark_b]

hitman was also filmed as R.wasnt it the same with die hard?
dont belive them. they will say anything. or maybe they will even lie to the director. they will let him direct a R robocop and then in the editing room they will change it to PG-13.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I might not be so dead set against a remake if it weren't for the fact that this movie will be a flashy, castrated, *****fied crapfest. They don't have the balls to make a movie like the original Robocop anymore. Unless they somehow get Werner Herzog to direct it, I'm not gonna have any interest.

Sadly, that's all too true. Once studios realised that they got more asses on seats (and therefore more $$$$$) by having a lower age restiction; that was the death knell of studios having balls and sanctioning 'adult' themed films. Sure, every once in a while the trend gets bucked but it's all too infrequent.

It's like the whole remake thing; studios figure 'why spend a load of money on an original project that could potentially lose us money when we can just do a remake were we know there is an existing fanbase'.

And that's a sad thing - the beancounters are incharge; any creative thought is stifled.

People might say I'm being cynical, but that's the way I feel.

Well it is way to early to tell what the direction the film will be and will it be the same hardcore action the first film was. At the liscesing thing it was reported the studio wants to make it R like original was.

Yeah, but they have to say that; I mean, they're trying to garner as much support for this thing as possible - imagine how much the $hit would hit the fan if they announced that it was a PG-13 or something?

I'll beleive it when I see it.

 

[The Guard]

I just can't figure out why they would remake it. Why wouldn't they just make a sequel?

 

[Terminator]

Exactly.

It's not dead, there's always something they could have done.

sigh.

 

[Webhead2006]

YEa i know pg13 is pretty much the standard for films now adays. Really the only films lately that tend to be R ratings are horror films and all that. Now it will be great if the studio does stay with R and think it will get enough butts to the sits to see it. But Yea if it ends up being pg13 it will be a little disapointing and i said this a few times a couple pages back we can hope for R/Unrated dvd cut for the true film it would be.

As for the whoel remake/sequel talk yea it would be cool if it was a sequel and not be a remake but since we dont know the direction the film is taking yet we cant really judge what the studio is planning to do.

 

[Warhammer]

but should they?
really? remake a movie that was fine to begin with.
Halloween is really not a good example if you are trying to justify remakes/reimagine. Any movie with a cult following like that where it has reached classic status should be left alone in my opinion.

No, they shouldn't. You are right about that.

Remakes should only be made for one sole reason: if it can truly benefit from being remade today. Rather that be to modernize an aged/dated film (The Manchurian Candidate and The Day The Earth Stood Still and their remakes fit that qualification), a film with horrible production value or special effects that can be a masterpiece with today's standards and technology (Clash of the Titans for example), or an outright horrible film with the potential to be something outstanding in another writer and/or director's craft.

When I mentioned (Rob Zombie's) Halloween, I meant that it fits the qualifications of the term "reimagining." I'd rather a new RoboCop film be a reimagining instead of a direct remake. Besides, the original Halloween isn't really a cult classic. It was a critical and commercial success. It is widely popular because it was successful, not because it wasn't.

 

[Warhammer]

hitman was also filmed as R.wasnt it the same with die hard?
dont belive them. they will say anything. or maybe they will even lie to the director. they will let him direct a R robocop and then in the editing room they will change it to PG-13.

Yep, Hitman and Live Free or Die Hard were filmed as R rated films. Unfortunately, Tom Rothman's decided to go back at the last minute and make the films PG-13 to allow more money to be made.

Now if I be a realist in this situation, the argument goes like this. Whether we like it or not and whether we are fans of the film or not, the production of 95% of films is for the sole purpose of money. Our fandom makes us believe we have legitimate reasons for getting mad when films seek the PG-13 rating, but can we seriously blame the production studios for trying to get some profit? And what many fail to realize is that an R rating does not necessarily mean a film becomes a better quality film given the circumstances. More blood and cursing will never be a substitute for a well crafted story.

In Rothman's case, he just sucks. He cares about the profit of the films, and nothing more. Quality means nothing to him, and that is why 20th Century Fox's reputation is is ruins.

...that's just me.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea. That what sucks with today's films. But who knows what the film will be yet. As i said we have no clue what they are going to do with it.

 

[Terminator]

Hitman was released as R.

 

[Shifty]

Yep, Hitman and Live Free or Die Hard were filmed as R rated films. Unfortunately, Tom Rothman's decided to go back at the last minute and make the films PG-13 to allow more money to be made.

Now if I be a realist in this situation, the argument goes like this. Whether we like it or not and whether we are fans of the film or not, the production of 95% of films is for the sole purpose of money. Our fandom makes us believe we have legitimate reasons for getting mad when films seek the PG-13 rating, but can we seriously blame the production studios for trying to get some profit? And what many fail to realize is that an R rating does not necessarily mean a film becomes a better quality film given the circumstances. More blood and cursing will never be a substitute for a well crafted story.

Terminator 4 is having a PG13 rating, going in they've already admitted that. The franchise has been around for 25 years, there should be plenty of people who will see a R rated film if there is a quality story. Being R rated sets Terminator, Aliens and RoboCop apart from the other classic franchises of the 80s.

Batman, James Bond and Battlestar Glactica have had recent reboots that were critical and financial successes. The Incredible Hulk seems to be doing better with critics and shouldn't drop 70% in its second weekend and The Punisher's reboot is out in December.

So the studio sees a chance to take the character and relaunching it. RoboCop 2/3 and the television series essentially killed the franchise just like Batman & Robin and Hulk did.
The Dark Knight and Quantum of Solace are going to be huge films this year. I can see why people would want this to fail but really you should want it to succeed. There are potentially three great films to see in the coming years. If they plan these films out, have story arcs over the three films, have the proper budget, a script that has been polished with writers with different strengths it should do well.

Frank Miller has been mentioned, any other directors people would like to see behind the reboot?

 

[Warhammer]

Hitman was released as R.

Oh damn, you are right. It was released as an R. I originally meant that Hitman was filmed as a "Hard R." 20th Century Fox weren't having that, and cut the film so it could be standard R (the end result ended up being a basic PG-13 film with a bit more blood than usual and two scenes with ****).

Terminator 4 is having a PG13 rating, going in they've already admitted that. The franchise has been around for 25 years, there should be plenty of people who will see a R rated film if there is a quality story. Being R rated sets Terminator, Aliens and RoboCop apart from the other classic franchises of the 80s.

You're right. The R rating did make them truly special. When a film is thought of, written, and directed with the purpose of being rated R, it should be rated R, or else many of the visions during the production of the film are in vain. However, some people out there (and on these boards) seem to want films to be rated R for the sake of them being rated R. Some people here wanted Spider-Man 3 to be rated R because Venom was in it. That's what I meant by the R rating never being necessary for a film to be quality. When necessary and apart of the original craft, the R rating is essential. The studio executives are always eying for what will bring out the most profit. It will always take a strong director and/or writer (etc.) to push for the final product to be rated R given the circumstances. When an R rated film becomes a surprise hit (The Terminator or Alien for example), the studio is more lenient to giving the sequel the same rating.

 

[Browncoat]

Should the fact that there's a R-rated superhero movie coming out (Watchmen) be some sort of sign of hope?

BTW, If Watchmen isn't rated R, it ain't Watchmen.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well the people who went to the ny event thing did state the studio is gearing to make it R so hopefully it stays R.

 

[M.O.Steel]

the remakes have finally gotten to me. i rarely had an issue with remakes, mostly because they remade movies that were way before my time. but now, hollywood finally caught up to the movies of my childhood, and now i realize why people get upset over remakes. this robocop remake is VERY unnecessary. and i know they would totally ruin the essence of the character. and i also know that even if they did a good job, i would never accept it.

it will probably just be an ironman rip-off, especially the suit.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea remakes are getting very pointless nowadays. But i am willing to give this remake a chance, we know very little on what they are doing so we cant go to crazy about it just yet.

 

[Nightmare]

So this is 100% official there doing it?

 

[Webhead2006]

Umm yea man there were rumors a few months back but then its official since the NY licesing event.

 

[Mutagen]

Oh damn, you are right. It was released as an R. I originally meant that Hitman was filmed as a "Hard R." 20th Century Fox weren't having that, and cut the film so it could be standard R (the end result ended up being a basic PG-13 film with a bit more blood than usual and two scenes with ****).



You're right. The R rating did make them truly special. When a film is thought of, written, and directed with the purpose of being rated R, it should be rated R, or else many of the visions during the production of the film are in vain. However, some people out there (and on these boards) seem to want films to be rated R for the sake of them being rated R. Some people here wanted Spider-Man 3 to be rated R because Venom was in it. That's what I meant by the R rating never being necessary for a film to be quality. When necessary and apart of the original craft, the R rating is essential. The studio executives are always eying for what will bring out the most profit. It will always take a strong director and/or writer (etc.) to push for the final product to be rated R given the circumstances. When an R rated film becomes a surprise hit (The Terminator or Alien for example), the studio is more lenient to giving the sequel the same rating.

I find that having a rated R movie is realistic in terms of blood, violence and swearing, having the actual person saying what I'm thinking during the movie is fun, a lot of the time.

However, the smart thing to do would try to get a good amount of money to make sequels, and make more money. I also realize that I go to movies to escape my boring reality, which is why I say "sometimes." Although seeing a movie that has an R rating for the sake of a few good scenes could be well worth it, if the movie's going to make good on the money anyways.

 

[Dark Donnie]

Watching Robocop now, such a good film.

 

[Majik1387]

Watching it now too.

 

[Dark Donnie]

Watching it now too.

Great film, haven't watched it in years...

Is that Brendan Gleeson in the beginning, the guy Robocop punches through the window(he's holding the mayor hostage).