Total Recall (Remake) Ok I'm against this one!

[Kanon]

normally i'd say that you should stick to arguing the subject instead of attacking those who have differing opinions, but your arguments aren't very good either.....so it'd probably be better if you not post in this thread all together.

Ok, I'm sorry if my post wasn't as meaningful as it should have been, but still, I think escept for Arnold's acting, TR is a very good movie. The story is great, has sci-fi, good action, and mistery, I don't see how the FX are supposed to be bad (of course they can be done better now, but that can be said of any movie that is more than 5 years old) and casting and acting are good (again 'cept for Arnie)

And yes, I know I'll be alone on this, but I think is better than LOTR or TDK

 

[Midnhtsun]

chirp chirp chirp......

 

[Advanced Dark]

Ok, I'm sorry if my post wasn't as meaningful as it should have been, but still, I think escept for Arnold's acting, TR is a very good movie. The story is great, has sci-fi, good action, and mistery, I don't see how the FX are supposed to be bad (of course they can be done better now, but that can be said of any movie that is more than 5 years old) and casting and acting are good (again 'cept for Arnie)

And yes, I know I'll be alone on this, but I think is better than LOTR or TDK

I enjoyed Total Recall more than Lord of the Rings because of the story and because I'm a huge sci-fi fan. It's my favorite film whether others like it or hate it...I love it. I liked the quirkiness, the sets, the characterizations, and the campy tone set by Verehoven as it clashed with the ultraviolence. It was perfect. Now I guess if they remake it with a different spin and give it the title of the original short story to separate itself I'd be happier. Or perhaps call it "Blue Sky on Mars".

 

[DorkyFresh]

Now I guess if they remake it with a different spin and give it the title of the original short story to separate itself I'd be happier. Or perhaps call it "Blue Sky on Mars".

eh...that would be giving away the ending in the title though.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Yeah I guess. That was the title of his dream. Most people never caught that. The whole movie was his Recall implant...nothing was real after he lied down in the chair.

 

[LadyVader]

What more can you say about virtual reality after Matrix?

 

[DorkyFresh]

The whole movie was his Recall implant...nothing was real after he lied down in the chair.

that's up the viewer. Verhoevan said that he intentionally made it ambiguous so that the viewer could make up their own mind.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Well that would be a funny coincidence that his implant was Blue Sky on Mars and then he escapes the baddies, goes to Mars, and then saves the planet by releasing Oxygen into the atmosphere creating a Blue Sky on Mars. I'm sure Verehoven said that and made it in a way most people wouldn't be sure...but he also snuck in that tidbit during his implanation that was mostly overlooked by people. It was a dream.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I never liked this movie, despite being an Arnold fan, so a remake wouldn't be a terrible thing to me.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I'm sure Verehoven said that and made it in a way most people wouldn't be sure...but he also snuck in that tidbit during his implanation that was mostly overlooked by people. It was a dream.

exactly...he made it so that either belief could be true on purpose so that people could draw their own conclusions. there are hints that make it seem like he's in Rekal the entire time, but you can also take it as Quaid actually, physically, doing everything he did in the movie. there's no set determination. it's up to the individual viewer. you think it was the dream...that's fine, but that doesn't mean that it actually was. that's just your belief...

 

[Advanced Dark]

I see no way to believe it was Quaid. He chose to be a spy, he chose what his girlfriend should look and be like...When the employee at recall says "Blue Sky on Mars--that's a new one" and then implanted it into Quaid...that seals it. That was before the implant. Everything after the implant followed his desires and the title of the program.

 

[Kanon]

I can't remember now, but I think there is something in the movie prior to his visit to Recall that confirms is not a dream... I'll have to rewatch it.

 

[Advanced Dark]

What's most important is what happens when he's in the chair at recall. Anything before or after that wouldn't matter.

 

[Kanon]

What's most important is what happens when he's in the chair at recall. Anything before or after that wouldn't matter.

But if something happens before that, it can't be part of the dream, right?

 

[Gilpesh]

Total Recall could only benefit from a remake. Maybe with a new version, Philip K. Dick won't be turning over in his grave.

 

[Advanced Dark]

But if something happens before that, it can't be part of the dream, right?

How could something that happens before the chair be part of the dream? That would be horrible writing.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I see no way to believe it was Quaid.

just because you don't see it doesn't mean there isn't a way to believe it.

He chose to be a spy, he chose what his girlfriend should look and be like...

if all the events were ACTUAL then it would make sense the he yearns to be a spy since he really was one. his girlfriend looking and acting like he wanted to, along with the dreams he kept having, could've been a side effect of his pre-existing memory wipe before he took on the life of Quaid.

When the employee at recall says "Blue Sky on Mars--that's a new one" and then implanted it into Quaid...that seals it. That was before the implant.

in your mind it does. this is one of the parts that makes the movie feel like he's in the dream instead of reality, but it easily could've been coincidence as well. think of this though....how come Quaid didn't encounter any crazy 3 headed dragons like they showed in the images on the screen?

Everything after the implant followed his desires and the title of the program.

true, but there's still plenty of arguments and evidence to suggest that he was a spy before he went to Rekal also. his friend telling him to stay away from recall, his strong attraction to Mars, his wife being the PERFECT wife and trying to persuade him to goto Saturn INSTEAD OF MARS...all of those things could either be him wanting the fantasy, or his past manifesting itself.



like i said....it can go either way, it just depends on what you CHOOSE to believe.

 

[Advanced Dark]

It could not have easily been coincidence. However if the entire movie was a dream it would be horrific writing without eventually letting the audience in on it.

 

[Kanon]

How could something that happens before the chair be part of the dream? That would be horrible writing.

That's what I mean, If something before the chair hints that Quaids life isn't what it looks like, it would be a big clue as the rest of the movie not being a dream...

But maybe I am the one dreaming 'cause I can't remember if I really saw anything like that, I just have the feeling...

 

[DorkyFresh]

What's most important is what happens when he's in the chair at recall. Anything before or after that wouldn't matter.

way to try to form the argument in your favor. that's like saying the rest of the movie doesn't matter...only the scene with him in the chair at the beginning.

But if something happens before that, it can't be part of the dream, right?

right, but there's nothing that happens before he goes to Rekal that directly confirms that he was dreaming or that it was real...it was all made ambiguous in nature for the very reason that it could be either way.

 

[DorkyFresh]

It could not have easily been coincidence.

*sigh* i give up. fine....it was all a dream. geez dude...your head is as hard as a rock.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ It's not just me Dorky...we both believe what we believe. No need to be that way. I'm strong in my opinion and you in yours. Nothing worth getting upset about bud.

 

[DorkyFresh]

i'm not upset. you can believe whatever you want to believe. i never had a problem with that, but don't go around saying that there's no way Quaid could've really been doing all that stuff when Verhoeven himself said that it's really up to the viewer...


...you're not the authority on the matter. as far as Total Recall is concerned, Verhoeven is.

 

[Advanced Dark]

My real name is Phillip Dick. I am the authority. I'd like to see that quote by him though. I remember him saying he'll leave it up to the viewer to figure out. There's no way "in my mind" that I can accept that it is not a dream at this time. If you can point something out that changes my mind...fine.

 

[DorkyFresh]

just watch the documentary in the special features of the dvd. verhoeven states that he purposefully made it so that both beliefs are valid. he then goes on to say something like "in the belief that he's just dreaming, the white light at the end would be Quaid being lobotomized" but he doesn't say that it's the RIGHT belief.

i happen to prefer believing that it was all a dream...but i also acknowledge that he could very well have physically done everything in the movie.