Ronin!

I hope its as faithful as 300 was..
If not I'ma be a good fanboy and complain!
 
Damn, the one Frank Miller book that I REALLY like, the inspiration for Samurai Jack, an opportunity for a genuinely badass movie... and this is the one they choose to ******* into the dustbin. For shame WB. Shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaameeeee-ah.:o

I haven't read Ronin but when I read the artical of what its about I thought thats the same story as Samurai Jack. I think Frank Miller needs to Sue somebody.
 
Another Frank Miller adaption eh? Won't be long until we see a movie where Batman beats Superman then.
 
I did not enjoy 300 and Sin City at all.I find Miller's films overrated,but that's just my opinion.

I will say that they have been the most ambitious adaptions from comic to film in quite some time.

Ronin seems to have a good concept if executed well.I would love to see Darren Aronofsky tackle this,but I think he's busy with a couple movies lined up.
 
http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5800

Sylvain White Talks Ronin
Source: Daniel Robert Epstein
June 5, 2007


UGO recently got a chance to talk with Sylvain White about directing the upcoming live-action adaptation of Frank Miller's DC Comics graphic novel, Ronin.

The project, optioned last month by Warner Bros., is about a disgraced samurai warrior (the ronin) who bears the shame of allowing his master to be assassinated by a shape-shifting demon in 13th century Japan. When the master's sword is unearthed in mid-21st century New York, the ronin and the demon are brought to life and battle gangs of mutants and thugs to try to take possession of the mythical sword. Here's a clip:

Daniel Robert Epstein: Years ago I got to interview Zach Snyder for the DVD of Dawn of the Dead and I said to him, "Please don't ***** up 300." I also was lucky enough to visit the set of 300 but even when I finally saw the film I still didn't expect it to look that way. Even though Ronin is also drawn by Frank Miller, it was a lot earlier in his career so it looks much different from the works that were later adapted to movies.

Sylvain White: Yes, it's different in a lot of ways. It's Frank Miller's first completed graphic novel on his own. It's very different style-wise and it's also very different story-wise. It's not as structured as 300. The adaptation process is a very different one, and the look is going to be completely different from 300.

Click here to read the full interview.
 
What an awful director for the project

*sighs
 
the guy who did Stomp The Yard is doing Ronin? *sigh*...
 
Film Of Ronin Stalled For Castlevania Adaptation

After Stomp the Yard made more money than was expected, Sylvain White became something of a hot property (note: money was the convincer, not some sudden awareness that he'd made a surprisingly good film - because he hadn't). He's been attached to numerous projects, most famously a film of Frank Miller's Ronin comic books. That film has now been shelved, at least temporarily, while White makes a film for the Castlevania videogames.

Now, the Castelvania games are fine - if massively overrated - but there's no suggestion at all that they're going to make for a good film so the project might as well be unrelated, should be considered as though it was cooked up from scratch. A script by Paul W. S. Anderson, directed by Sylvain White? That's looking a lot like the recipe for another Van Helsing.

Gothic horror sits uncomfortably with modern popcorn pictures, for me at least. After James Whale and Tod Browning and other, undoubtedly populist, filmmakers actually managed to make entertainments out of great gothic stories while retaining appropriate atmospheres, tones and Freud-baiting undercurrents, it seemed like we were on a slippery slope. Half way down, we whooshed through the house of Hammer, past the garish, lusty, liberated take on the same old stories, settings, characters but by then, a lot had shifted. Complete the shift, get up to date, and we end up with a gothic horror that's predicated entirely on style, on semi-buried subtexts, on pantomime pieces.

The last great gothic horror film classic - and I mean great - was Ridley Scott's Alien. It was surprisingly similar to the early Universal horrors, but used modern cinema technology in exciting, unparalelled ways, mixed in tropes from other genres, scrambled the signals, wove the gothicism into a tapestry. But this gothic weave was powerful, and almost every scene was clad in it like ivy creepers. It was a timeless, classic dread and a primal, animal sexuality that crept through the corridors of Alien.

We've had great horror films since with a splash of the gothic - and plenty of horror films that went all out with the gothic, but weren't great. Aesthetically, only Tim Burton seems regularly convincing in standing steady a few paces back up the slope but - so far - he hasn't tried to horrify us. I'm sure he could, though. And then some - if he went all out.

Could Castlevania be a grand gothic adventure? Sure. Will it be? Well, only if Anderson's script and White and his crew are interested in the idea. And why would they be? The commodity-gothic that they're needing to trade on, I expect, is the same thing tromping in and out of Hot Topic all day long. Gothicism as a can of spray-on cobwebs, not as a deep, scarlet romance of horror.

Expect Pirates of the Caribbean with Vampires instead of Pirates. At best.
 
Wow, so instead of ruining Ronin he can ruin Castlevania, heh, thats some good news.
 
Ronny 2¢:

Bad idea. Get a proven director, or at least someone with uber major promise from a horror background. (Ever notice how they seem to be better at making big movies? (Raimi, Jackson)
 
As you've probably heard, due to the 300 movie's success, Warner Bros. has greenlit a movie adaptation off of Ronin, which is a mini series that Frank Miller made back in 1983 before he wrote the "Dark Knight Returns".

According to Wikipedia, the word "Ronin" means "drifting person" and was a term that originated in the last 2 periods of classical Japanese history known as the Nara (710-794 A.D.) and Heian (794-1185 A.D.) periods to describe a serf who had left his master's land. Later on, during the "feudal period" (1185-1868), the term "Ronin" was used to describe a masterless samarai due to a master's ruin, fall, or loss of favor (for more on the status and history of a Ronin see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronin).

In Frank Miller's mini-series, he unsurprisingly takes the Ronin concept to the extreme having an ancient samarai still looking to avenge his master in a futuristic setting against the demon Agat.

Anyway, here's some questions to discuss:
Who here's read the Ronin comics? What did you think of them?

How is this series similar to the rest of Frank Miller's work?

What's your favorite thing Frank Miller has done?

What should/shouldn't be changed in the probable movie adaptation?

How about the movie's casting? Who should play who?
 
Hopefully DC Entertainment's new boss Diane Nelson will hand the project over to Quentin Tarantino to direct, not the Stomp the Yard boy.
 
well, this may mean nothing but Sylvain did study under Spike Jonze and Michel Gondry during his Propaganda days.
 
Hopefully DC Entertainment's new boss Diane Nelson will hand the project over to Quentin Tarantino to direct, not the Stomp the Yard boy.

You know, people are allowed to start somewhere. The directors of Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Elf, and Evil Dead turned in some fine superhero films.

Not saying that we necessarily should be doing cartwheels, but I think it's fair to see how The Losers turns out before we get worked up.
 
i dont know much on this character myself. But it will be nice for another guy to make it into the big screen world.
 
You know, people are allowed to start somewhere. The directors of Pee Wee's Big Adventure,Elf, and Evil Dead turned in some fine superhero films.

Not saying that we necessarily should be doing cartwheels, but I think it's fair to see how The Losers turns out before we get worked up.
You mean to put MADE. That was Joe Favreaus first directing job.
 
i dont know much on this character myself. But it will be nice for another guy to make it into the big screen world.
The comic is kind of cool. The first issue has just great art, and writing. The second issues isn't bad, but by the third the art starts getting lazy, until by the last issue the art looks terrible and you can barely tell whats going on.
 
You mean to put MADE. That was Joe Favreaus first directing job.

Sure, but citing a small work in a different genre that builds towards something entirely different is part of the what I wanted to show. Most directors start on something modest and work their way up to what they really want to do. Citizen Kane is very much the exception, and even then Welles had already made a name for himself by working his way up in theater and radio.

The Losers is a natural progression to a midsize film. If White pulls that off, then I don't see why we shouldn't at least be guardedly optimistic about the chances for Ronin. If not, then there's obvious cause for concern. Frankly, considering Ronin is likely to be fairly pricey, if he doesn't pull off The Losers, I doubt Ronin follows.
 
The comic is kind of cool. The first issue has just great art, and writing. The second issues isn't bad, but by the third the art starts getting lazy, until by the last issue the art looks terrible and you can barely tell whats going on.

The art is great and consistent on Ronin throughout.
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You know, people are allowed to start somewhere. The directors of Pee Wee's Big Adventure, Elf, and Evil Dead turned in some fine superhero films.

I wouldn't want Tim Burton directing Ronin either. While he's great for Batman, Ronin doesn't really fit Tim Burton's style and action scenes have never been his strength, he said he needed assistance directing the action on Batman, let alone samurai action. Jon Favreau is fine for Iron Man and Sam Raimi is great for Spider-Man, that doesn't mean they are well suited for Ronin. Ronin is a mixer of genres. Frank Miller's description of Ronin is, "It's a superhero, science fiction, samurai drama, urban nightmare, gothic romance."

Not saying that we necessarily should be doing cartwheels, but I think it's fair to see how The Losers turns out before we get worked up.

The Losers and Ronin are worlds apart.
 
so you're saying that no one is suited to direct this masterpiece, only known to us as Ronin?
 
I think Zack Snyder would have been better suited for this than for Watchmen. Blood, demons, samurais...
 

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