Running Time Confusion

[Figs]

He lied to all of you, again. And after May, all the hopes and pipedreams of a rough edit being a severe departure from the final picture will clash with hard reality.

This.

 

[LadyVader]

So he lied, big whup. I'm even willing to believe he genuinely thought the movie will be 117 minutes long but after editing it just wound up to be 107 minutes. It's not like the movie is gonna be drastically improved with ten extra minutes.

 

[TNC9852002]

No one said it would drastically "improve" anything, but 10 minutes would definitely make a difference. I'd say, the difference making element of a movie starts around the 7 minute mark. After 7 minutes of additional work into a movie you've seen previous, you're consciously aware at a whole new element of a movie.

 

[narrows101]

http://www.movieline.com/2009/04/exclusive-fox-source-responds-to-claim-of-wolverine-lie.php

EXCLUSIVE: Fox Source Responds to Claim of Wolverine Lie
Written by Kyle Buchanan | 21 Apr 2009, 3:00 PM

When an early cut of X-Men Origins: Wolverine was leaked online, 20th Century Fox chairman Tom Rothman assured fans that the final theatrical version would be radically different and include around ten minutes worth of reshoots that had not yet been integrated into the film. Now, though, a HuffPo blogger claims to have caught the chairman in a lie — and we’ve got a rebuttal from a highly-placed Fox source close to the film.


The accusation against Rothman was made by HuffPo entertainment writer Scott Mendelson, who noticed something interesting while perusing Wolverine pre-orders:

Remember when Tom Rothman swore up and down that the final version of the film would be ten minutes longer? Apparently that was a lie. The bootleg apparently ran 107 minutes with credits. The official running time listed in the AMC and Arclight websites lists the film as running… drum roll… 107 minutes. While Tom Rothman had no choice but to convince moviegoers that the free version would be vastly different from the completed picture, it’ll be interesting to see the reaction should that not turn out to be the case. Because, at this point, it would seem to not be the case.
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We ran Mendelson’s claim by our Fox source, who responded, “It’s lunacy.

When the workprint was uploaded and pirated, the final cut of the movie wasn’t done. The music was temporary, the sound was temporary, the effects weren’t in place, there was still wirework, the footage that was shot wasn’t integrated. What [Rothman] said to EW was that there was about ten minutes of [new] footage, so I don’t know if Mendelson is just comparing apples to apples.” Further elaborating, the source confirmed that the final running time (with credits) is 107 minutes, but claimed that cuts had been made to the leaked workprint before the additional footage was added, which resulted in a similar running time.

Meanwhile, Wolverine star Hugh Jackman had his hands and feet immortalized in cement today outside Grauman’s Chinese Theatre. Claims that the final footprints may contain an extra ten centimeters of length went unverified at press time.

 

[danoyse]

Mendelson responded to that article in the comments section:

One thing I'd like to clarify. By using the term 'accusation', you imply that I believe that Tom Rothman is guilty of some kind of wrong doing. Not so. Regardless of whether the final cut of Wolverine is as different as he claims (and I of course knew that the bootleg contained various unfinished production elements, which was beside the point), Rothman played the only card he could. Once the bootleg turned up online, the only move for him to make was to quickly, and incessantly talk up how unfinished the copy was compared to the final cut. He had no choice but to exclaim how different the two cuts would be, regardless of whether that was true. It was the only play he had and I don't begrudge him for it.

Funny he certainly seems to be doing just that in his article.

 

[TNC9852002]

The plot thickens...

and don't be crude, danoyse. It's clear. Like I was going to mention before, it was a white lie. Rothman lied, but he did it because he had more to gain from a huge crisis that just broke out. Lying sometimes isn't ways a two-way street. It was what he had to do, sadly. We might not like it, but he had to do damage control and it's really not all of his fault. I don't know how many of you in the same position would say much differently.

And as was mentioned before and what many of us had speculated, it SEEMS like there was footage replaced out of the workprint and new footage was inserted in. We don't know how reliable that FOX source is.

We'll find out what's really been going on soon enough.

 

[danoyse]

I really don't think there's a plot to thicken. Huffington Post (which is not exactly the center of journalistic precision) tried to start something that more than likely wasn't there.

First of all, I don't think Tom Rothman cares enough about the fans to spend any time creating elaborate lies and schemes to deceive them. He just puts the BS out there and most of us know better than to believe it.

Secondly, that statement was released about a day after the leak, when everyone was scrambling with damage control. Clearly, it was not a finished product and they were going to say as much to emphasize just how unfinished it was.

I never really bought the 'extra 10 minutes' rumor that was floating around, but I did think it was possible that footage had been removed and replaced, and that could well be the extra stuff they were talking about.

I'm not really hung up on the whole run time. I saw 1 hour, 47 minutes on the movie tickets website last week and didn't think twice about it.

 

[dark_b]

the only reason why Rothman lies so much is because he always needs to defend their bad movies IMO. its only because of that. there is alaways something negative on the internet about their movies(obvious) and so he needs to lie.
if they would make better movies then noone would complain and everyone would just whait happy on the premiere.

 

[Nivek]

I really don't think there's a plot to thicken. Huffington Post (which is not exactly the center of journalistic precision) tried to start something that more than likely wasn't there.

They are reporting facts, just like any media outlet, including this site. Just because you don't like the site doesn't mean you can write off what they are reporting, especially with those pesky facts in the way.

 

[Kanon]

They are reporting facts, just like any media outlet, including this site. Just because you don't like the site doesn't mean you can write off what they are reporting, especially with those pesky facts in the way.

Speculation, more than facts. They only fact they are reporting is the runtime listed vs the bootleg runtime, and then they filled the note with a los of speculation about the cuts being the same, and Rothman lying, based on that.

 

[danoyse]

They are reporting facts, just like any media outlet, including this site. Just because you don't like the site doesn't mean you can write off what they are reporting, especially with those pesky facts in the way.

I wasn't disputing the article, and I actually read that site quite often (so I have a pretty good idea how full of BS they can be). Frankly there was nothing in the article that was new, it was just confirming what people here and on other sites have suspected for awhile.

I was just pointing out what he appeared to be denying in his comments on the Movieline article was exactly what he was doing when he posted his article in the first place.

There's no need to get cranky just because I'm not climbing on a ledge over the movie's runtime.

 

[drmick]

I can't wait for the "Differences from workprint" thread!

The "scenes from trailer not in film" threads for Spider-man 3 and X3 were huge! There was tons of stuff missing in the films from the trailers.

Now imagine what differences there will be with two slightly different films.......

 

[night0205]

I don't know if there really is anything else to say, until we get some real reviews or see it...

 

[danoyse]

I haven't seen the leak, so it's all new to me.

 

[TNC9852002]

Yeah...Let's let the crankiness settle down a little bit.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Tom Rothman: Do you even know how to kill me?

Wolverine fan: I'll stop paying to see your god damn comic book movies...see if that works!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I honestly didn't see how 10 extra minutes could have fixed the problems I saw. The problems I had with the undone flick were script and casting based.

 

[chaseter]

I can't believe that some people actually believed Rothman.

 

[Dark Helmet]

If Rothman does end up lying & if there is a big out rage over this it might be time to fire his ass & every single current executive at 20th Century Fox & just bring in new blood altogether. 20th Century Fox needs a make over anyway & the best place to start is with Tom Rothman

 

[Figs]

If Rothman does end up lying & if there is a big out rage over this it might be time to fire his ass & every single current executive at 20th Century Fox & just bring in new blood altogether. 20th Century Fox needs a make over anyway & the best place to start is with Tom Rothman

That would only happen in a dream world where more people had common sense and more people had higher standards. This movie will do well enough to make another simply because the general audience doesn't really pay attention to all these reports that are only found on the internet. It's the first action film of the summer, it's going to do well opening weekend. After that, who knows if it will have good legs or not.

 

[Juggernaut33]

I love the whole dialogue of the deaf going on with the running time and those 10 brand new minutes which appear to be an utter fabrication.

Frankly, this is like the only answer we've been to get in the past few day:

Q: So apprently this workprint is missing 10 minutes of footage shot during the reshoot but the theatrical cut has the same length as the workprint version? What's that all about?

Fox: The workprint is not a completed cut, there's missing FX, the music is temporary, some wireworks are still visible, some dialogs haven't been recorded, there's no digital grading whatsoever.

Yeah I know but what about the content? Can you tell us more about the new footage?

Fox: As we said, this is not the final cut, the editing is nowhere near polished, the visual effects aren't completed, the music is temporary, some wireworks are still visible, some dialogs haven't been recorded, there's no digital grading whatsoever.

And round and round we go...

By the way, allociné says the film is 1h45 long.
http://www.allocine.fr/film/fichefilm_gen_cfilm=111544.html

 

[Prison Mike]

Tom Rothman: Do you even know how to kill me?

Wolverine fan: I'll stop paying to see your god damn comic book movies...see if that works!

that will never happen. as much as fans love to complain, they will continue to throw their money at rothman. and rothman knows this...

 

[Spider-X]

that will never happen. as much as fans love to complain, they will continue to throw their money at rothman. and rothman knows this...

What Rothman needs to understand is that these movies would make so much more if they were truly great instead of just serviceably fun or FX'fests.

 

[CelticPredator]

This movie is worthless unless it has an extra 40 minutes of footage. **** Rothman, **** Fox. I hope the studio goes down.

I gave a speech on how Fox is ruining movies in my Public Speaking class. Everyone loved it.

 

[Figs]

This movie is worthless unless it has an extra 40 minutes of footage. **** Rothman, **** Fox. I hope the studio goes down.

I gave a speech on how Fox is ruining movies in my Public Speaking class. Everyone loved it.

I wish you had recorded it or had it in written form. I would love to hear/read it.