Ryan Coogler or Ava Duvernay

[batman1]

Yes, she should have for the exact same reasons why it was good to turn down Black Panther. Given that you've assumed I was biased in favour of her when I wasn't, doesn't that now make it look like you are biased against her? Best to get the answer to your question before drawing the conclusion.

It was just a question. I like both. But it does seem like there are a lot of excuses for Ava for some reasons? That's all I'm saying. It's not meant to be personal.

 

[batman1]

I liked Selma more than any of either directors' other movies so Ava, I guess?

Awesome.

 

[Iceman]

It was just a question. I like both. But it does seem like there are a lot of excuses for Ava for some reasons? That's all I'm saying. It's not meant to be personal.

Probably because they want her to do well and AWIT hasn't been (or doesn't look like being) the success that BP has been. Of course it's only her first blockbuster film so plenty of time for success in future. I'll have to see the film before I know much more.

 

[HBarnill]

WHY
IS
EVEYRTHING
A
COMPETITION!?

This is friggin history. Two films on top of chart directed by black filmmakers. Probably won’t ever happen again. Why can’t be just be happy for that?!

 

[batman1]

Probably because they want her to do well and AWIT hasn't been (or doesn't look like being) the success that BP has been. Of course it's only her first blockbuster film so plenty of time for success in future. I'll have to see the film before I know much more.

Well, yes, it would be better to see it first before sharing. Lol. It will be interesting to see your opinion after you see it.

 

[Lencho01]

Because that seems to be what people love doing here at the Hype, I guess.

True, but usually those comparisons have some kind of obvious reason. This one doesn't to me.

 

[batman1]

True, but usually those comparisons have some kind of obvious reason. This one doesn't to me.

It's just a comparison thread. For some reason folks posting today seem to take it unusually personal. Who ever you like and for what reason is your business.

 

[Black Narcissus]

This is a brilliant thread and will be nominated as of of the years best. You might get some rough competition with that other one tho! The one about pepsi v coca cola.

 

[Lencho01]

It's just a comparison thread. For some reason folks posting today seem to take it unusually personal. Who ever you like and for what reason is your business.

Yeah, ok.

 

[Greens]

True, but usually those comparisons have some kind of obvious reason. This one doesn't to me.

The reason is pretty obvious. Both directors (Coogler to a larger extent) have recently been spotlighted as pushers of diversity by making blockbusters fronted by black people and/or women.

 

[Boy Scout]

Why bother even comparing the two of them?

Asked myself the same thing.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Thread exists because like so many of the fanboy set OP is or for all intents and purposes reacts like someone on the spectrum and cannot make judgements on the basis of criteria from a subject's area of magisteria. Poetry, narrative, visual art... Somehow it's all really just a math problem or a scientific formula to be solved.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Coogler is three for three.

Ava, I personally feel, is somewhat overrated and Wrinkle of Time shows she may not have the reach of some directors who can handle multiple genres

Having said that I'm happy both directors are successful and hope they have long and illustrious careers ahead of them.

Lord knows far worse directors than Ava got a hundred second chances from Hollywood.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Nothing is wrong with the thread.

Anything that allows us to dissect and analyze these director's work is worthwhile.

 

[The Shape]

True, but usually those comparisons have some kind of obvious reason. This one doesn't to me.

It should have been "The Dark Knight vs. Ava Duvernay".

 

[Pink Ranger]

Ang Lee or Spike Lee?
Chris Nolan or Geometry?
Commodity futures or Katherine Bigelow?

 

[Schlosser85]

Ang Lee or Spike Lee?
Chris Nolan or Geometry?
Commodity futures or Katherine Bigelow?

Ang Lee
Chris Nolan
Katherine Bigelow

 

[DrCosmic]

It's all part of it. People move films to different time slots all the time. It is what it is. It still falls on the director. Now I started the thread just to see how people felt about the directors. If you like both or one that's ok. But please don't make it personal or make excuses. These directors make big $$$ to do arts and crafts. If they do great or bomb that's their career not ours.

Same to you, if you like superhero movies more than girly kids movies, or you like both, or neither that's fine. But if you say Box Office falls on director, and we're having a discussion, then my question is if you think Edgar Wright's box office are evidence of his lack of ability in comparison to Michael Bay. Analyzing is not taking it personal. More information rather than less isn't making excuses.

The reason is pretty obvious. Both directors (Coogler to a larger extent) have recently been spotlighted as pushers of diversity by making blockbusters fronted by black people and/or women.

Is A Wrinkle In Time a blockbuster? Was Where the Wild Things Are a blockbuster we can compare to that year's Avatar in any significant way? It is obvious that they are not comparable. Would they be comparable if they were both about Black characters? How would we compare them? Box Office? RT score? The reason is obvious, you're right, but the absurdity of the reason only scarcely less obvious. I mean, if the only reason we're comparing them is because they're diverse, then shouldn't the comparison be about their diversity?

This is a brilliant thread and will be nominated as of of the years best. You might get some rough competition with that other one tho! The one about pepsi v coca cola.

Ava, I personally feel, is somewhat overrated and Wrinkle of Time shows she may not have the reach of some directors who can handle multiple genres

Part of the discussion I see missing is what AWIT is. It seems to be discussed as though it is a genre film that any other director could possibly reach, and all evidence points to the contrary.

It's kind of like if someone not familiar with skating sees someone falter on a quintuple axel, and says "She's overrated it shows she may not have the reach of other skaters who can do multiple jumps." But for those who know what a quintuple axel is, even partially completing the quintuple axel itself is proof that she can do all of those other jumps.

The other half I see missing from discussion here and elsewhere is what AWIT is not. Part of it not being Black Panther, other than not being a "blockbuster" film, is that it is a film that is in a way hostile to a culture that rejects things targeted at tween girls. In a discussion about which appeals more, part of the discussion should be that Ava Duvernay is not trying to appeal to adult males at all with her latest film, because that's a HUGE deal. I mean, how can you talk about how much someone appeals to you without acknowledging that they are the only ones not trying to?

It should have been "The Dark Knight vs. Ava Duvernay".

It should have been. Mods, can we get a title change?

 

[Pond]

You people really like to argue about the silliest stuff.

 

[Lencho01]

The reason is pretty obvious. Both directors (Coogler to a larger extent) have recently been spotlighted as pushers of diversity by making blockbusters fronted by black people and/or women.

I still don't see it. Two different directors who've made different films.

I can only speak for myself, but I never got the impression that A Wrinkle in Time was meant to be some kind of four quadrant blockbuster. I've never read the book and based on people's comments, it's something one would have read as a child and the trailers very much looked like something for children. Black Panther on the other hand looks like a four quadrant blockbuster. Even so, we have a situation where the top two films of the previous week were ones directed by two different Black people, one of them being a woman and we're comparing them for some reason.

So, I see no point in comparing. It'd be like if I made a thread called Francis Lawrence or Johannes Roberts.

Asked myself the same thing.

I was like, "Man, I hope this isn't because they're Black..."

It should have been "The Dark Knight vs. Ava Duvernay".

TDK is the standard of quality, after all.

Ang Lee or Spike Lee?
Chris Nolan or Geometry?
Commodity futures or Katherine Bigelow?

 

[R3M3D1]

You people really like to argue about the silliest stuff.

What do you mean you people?

 

[daddydivine]

Have we had other director vs threads? I feel like I should have seen a poll with Whedon Vs Snyder or Nolan Vs God before this.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Nolan vs God is funny but this thread actually had some worthwhile discussion.

 

[Greens]

Is A Wrinkle In Time a blockbuster? Was Where the Wild Things Are a blockbuster we can compare to that year's Avatar in any significant way? It is obvious that they are not comparable. Would they be comparable if they were both about Black characters? How would we compare them? Box Office? RT score? The reason is obvious, you're right, but the absurdity of the reason only scarcely less obvious. I mean, if the only reason we're comparing them is because they're diverse, then shouldn't the comparison be about their diversity?

Ehh, I don't really care about either director to be honest so whatever. I'm not on the Coogler love bus everyone is on. Technically he's three for three because he hasn't really made a bad movie, but he just isn't for me. Martin McDonagh is IMO a far, far superior three for three.

 

[daddydivine]

Ehh, I don't really care about either director to be honest so whatever. I'm not on the Coogler love bus everyone is on. Technically he's three for three because he hasn't really made a bad movie, but he just isn't for me. Martin McDonagh is IMO a far, far superior three for three.

I tried to watch some of his other movies after I saw Three Billboards get an award. His movies are definitely and acquired taste. I did like the Guard though.