Ryan Coogler or Ava Duvernay

[MessiahDecoy123]

Coogler gets credit for writing one of the most critically acclaimed and successful superhero movies in history.
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You can argue Creed vs Selma puts the two on equal terms but BP puts Coogler in another stratosphere.

We're talking about an IP that should've been recieved like Dr Strange and making it bigger than Star Wars and Avengers.

 

[batman1]

Have we had other director vs threads? I feel like I should have seen a poll with Whedon Vs Snyder or Nolan Vs God before this.

I have seen several Director vs Director threads over the years. Which is why I felt comfortable making this one. It's just two modern directors and e can discuss how we like each ones style. It's interesting seeing the responses.

 

[childeroland]

Coogler if I had to pick, but I'm not sure anyone could have succeeded with Wrinkle without substantially changing the story, and Middle of Nowhere and I Will Follow are as good as Fruitvale Station and Creed.

 

[batman1]

I wish folks would share what each does. Is the scope they use awesome? Is their pacing incredible. Etc.

 

[Mysteryman]

Easy Answer.
BOTH!

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I wish folks would share what each does. Is the scope they use awesome? Is their pacing incredible. Etc.

Why don't you? What is your opinion, not someone else's, not something parroted you read in another post, what do YOU think about the differences in style, technique etc.? So far your criticism comes down to "One made a well received hit that is a box office smash right now while the other has a film out now that's struggling BO wise."

Okay... And? Your posts on the very subject you claim to want discussion about haven't gone much beyond that. I mean, have you even seen all the movies these two directors have made or are you basing this discussion solely around BP and AWIT?

 

[Octoberist]

I hate to say it, and it’ll be denied, my reaction to this thread’s intention was ‘Who’s the better black director?’

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I hate to say it, and it’ll be denied, my reaction to this thread’s intention was ‘Who’s the better black director?’

I don't think the OP has a real frame of reference beyond that common thread. He's not made much of a defense to justify this comparison in the first place.

 

[Chesterfield]

Blacks being pitted against each other, hmmm where have I seen this before?

 

[batman1]

Why don't you? What is your opinion, not someone else's, not something parroted you read in another post, what do YOU think about the differences in style, technique etc.? So far your criticism comes down to "One made a well received hit that is a box office smash right now while the other has a film out now that's struggling BO wise."

Okay... And? Your posts on the very subject you claim to want discussion about haven't gone much beyond that. I mean, have you even seen all the movies these two directors have made or are you basing this discussion solely around BP and AWIT?

My first post covered this. Please quit looking for reasons to argue. It's just a question. There are plenty of Director vs Director threads on this forum.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I have fqollowed both of their careers. Both seem good. I have to say for me Coogler has been consistent with his progressions. There is no limit to his scope. Ava seems to just be good at indie films. But I feel She didn't handle her step up with Wrinkle in Time.

So share how you feel about these two. They are modern day supposed great directors.

This was your first vague post on the subject with little in the way of specifics, insights or analysis of any of their work preceding BP or AWIT.

So again.... What do you actually think about the two as directors? What makes you post absolutist statements about these director's careers after three film's of material? How do you know Ava won't direct a huge successful blockbuster? How do you know Coogler won't whiff it with a BP sequel and go from praised to pilloried?


Can you make reasonable statements on these questions begged by your first post's vague pronouncements backed up by a reading of their previous work? If BO iswhat matters most why not compare their first works?

My guess is you will not have serious responses to any of these questions and fall back as you often do on parroted responses of the most popular variety rather than actually give an answer with any real clarity or insight.

 

[batman1]

Nothing is wrong with the thread.

Anything that allows us to dissect and analyze these director's work is worthwhile.

What you said.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Both. We as movie fans need both of them.

 

[batman1]

Both. We as movie fans need both of them.

I agree.

 

[batman1]

Why don't you? What is your opinion, not someone else's, not something parroted you read in another post, what do YOU think about the differences in style, technique etc.? So far your criticism comes down to "One made a well received hit that is a box office smash right now while the other has a film out now that's struggling BO wise."

Okay... And? Your posts on the very subject you claim to want discussion about haven't gone much beyond that. I mean, have you even seen all the movies these two directors have made or are you basing this discussion solely around BP and AWIT?

Can you please share your opinion of both directors? Thank you for your time.

 

[terry78]

Blacks being pitted against each other, hmmm where have I seen this before?

I'm glad you said it first.

 

[batman1]

I'm glad you said it first.

That's not what was intended. It was modern day directors and what folks felt. There are lots of these types of threads all over this forum. I don't understand why this one is such a big deal.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

So... Anyone know what the Pro-ban of batman1 is about?

 

[Black Narcissus]

I hate to say it, and it’ll be denied, my reaction to this thread’s intention was ‘Who’s the better black director?’

I'm glad someone else said it.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'll take the third option: Antoine Fuqua.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'll take the third option: Antoine Fuqua.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Hasn't made a film that I haven't loved.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Don't leave out F. Gary Gray.

 

[DrCosmic]

I hate to say it, and it’ll be denied, my reaction to this thread’s intention was ‘Who’s the better black director?’

That's kinda all we got. And that's a hard question because the normal things we compare directors on aren't there, so we're left with comparing Box Office as an indicator of director ability, which, well, sucks.

I think overall for Black directors, I'd love to see what Dee Rees and Jordan Peele have coming out next. I think that's the next step to getting to a place where we can compare Black directors on the same bases that we do White directors.

Coogler gets credit for writing one of the most critically acclaimed and successful superhero movies in history.
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You can argue Creed vs Selma puts the two on equal terms but BP puts Coogler in another stratosphere.

We're talking about an IP that should've been recieved like Dr Strange and making it bigger than Star Wars and Avengers.

I'm sorry dude... Black Panther has been clamored for and asked for and requested and at times *demanded* since Phase I. Dr. Strange has not. There's no way it would have been received like Dr. Strange. There's no doubt Coogler elevated BP to be the billion dollar dynamo that it is, but to say that he is the basis for the appeal of arguably THE best Black superhero is way over the top. We can respect Coogler's accomplishments without saying the scale of his Box Office success indicates his "Directoring power level" if there were such a thing.

Both. We as movie fans need both of them.

That's it. That's my problem with this thread. The right answer, in terms of what's best for everyone is both, and the idea we should pick is thus the inferior answer.

 

[DeadStroke]

Fan of them both. Part of me is still curious what Ava's Black Panther would have been. I think she could have delivered a different, but still strong movie.

However, what Coogler is doing at his age is incredible.

You could make the case he's made the best or 2nd best "Rocky" film and the best Marvel film.

Critically his three films have been 82, 85 and 88 on Metacritic. Thats incredible critically reviews for a guy just 31.

Ava got an 89 on Selma. She also made an oscar nominated documentary as well.So she's incredibly talented, but I think she just bit of more than she could chew with A Wrinkle in Time. Probably should have made it a series instead.

I think she's going use that experience working on a big budget film to come back much stronger with New Gods.

The best thing about them is that they are good friends who look out for each other.