Who to blame: Trank or Kinberg?

[Tim_Riggins]

After seeing the movie, agreed with psylock, the reshot portion clearly is some of the middle portion and the last third.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm really curious about the deleted scenes... I think this might be another case of bad decision in deleting scenes. We didn't get this conversation between Reed and Victor:

Reed: What is coming?
Victor: The answers

I feel like its always the usual problem. Deleted too many scenes which shorten the film, inconsistency and weak third act. Ugh! I wish the pace during the 1st two acts were similar to the last act which was kinda all over the place.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Damn, you're right, that's not in there at all. Reminds me of the situation with ASM where chunks of the plot were moved or switched or changed.

 

[gdw]

Sounds like neither of them is to blame, with all the criticism falling on the last 30 where all of the studio pushed re-shoots seem to have fallen.

Hard to imagine the original third act being less chopped up crap than what is being described.

 

[kedrell]

Why not blame BOTH?

 

[Amadeus Arkham]

Daredevil
X-Men: The Last Stand
Elektra
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
The Wolverine
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

I'll reserve judgment on blaming Trank until I see the flick, but it seems to me from listening to interviews with the fella that the FF may have been outside of his wheelhouse and he's much more tuned in to making films than summer popcorn flicks.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Trank and Kinberg. Trank for his work, and Kinberg for hiring him and then trying to cover for him.

 

[MadVillainy]

I blame Trank, Kinberg, and FOX.

None of them should not get blame

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Trank and Kinberg. Trank for his work, and Kinberg for hiring him and then trying to cover for him.

Kinberg didn't hire him, I'm listening to part 3 out of 4 of the Kevin Smith podcast with Trank himself, and he says that Fox talked to him after Chronicle, he wrote the screenplay for 9 months with Jeremy Slater.

It's at this moment that Kinberg came into play, Fox told Kinberg to take a look at the script and oversee it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm really curious about the deleted scenes... I think this might be another case of bad decision in deleting scenes. We didn't get this conversation between Reed and Victor:

Reed: What is coming?
Victor: The answers

I feel like its always the usual problem. Deleted too many scenes which shorten the film, inconsistency and weak third act. Ugh! I wish the pace during the 1st two acts were similar to the last act which was kinda all over the place.

Weren't you one of the ones who said there weren't a lot of reshoots? t:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Kinberg didn't hire him, I'm listening to part 3 out of 4 of the Kevin Smith podcast with Trank himself, and he says that Fox talked to him after Chronicle, he wrote the screenplay for 9 months with Jeremy Slater.

It's at this moment that Kinberg came into play, Fox told Kinberg to take a look at the script and oversee it.

Which means Kinberg saw the script and didn't tell the Fox execs that this is a horrible idea, don't hire him.

 

[kedrell]

I said immediately after Trank was hired that it was too soon for him to be given a big hundred million $ tentpole to helm. Chronicle was a neat little movie but that was his first gig and he didn't have nearly enough experience yet for FOX to gamble on him so early in his career. He should have made another movie or two first, and gradually gotten used to bigger and bigger budgets and the increasing pressure that goes with it. Chris Nolan didn't make Batman Begins right after making Memento, did he? No, he made Insomnia first. He honed his craft and got more experience. So should have Trank.

 

[Farren]

Kinberg reminds me of the quintessential team player. He's proven himself on X-Men for the most part and was asked to try and help here. I think he knew this thing was crap right from the start but tried to shape it in to something less embarrassing however he could. He was doomed to failure right from pre-production (no pun intended) but likes his Fox paycheck and continues to tow the line even now.

I remember him and Zak Penn on forums communicating with fans before X3 talking up the movie as the greatest thing every put to film. It's his job to promote a film at this stage but how many times can he cry wolf before everyone loses respect for him?

I remember that! It was on another forum, and after the movie got slammed only Penn came back to answer more questions bless his heart.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Which means Kinberg saw the script and didn't tell the Fox execs that this is a horrible idea, don't hire him.

More like Kinberg's is Fox's go to guy on those properties and he basically comes in to help.

Kinberg did a great job on DOFP but that doesn't mean he hasn't f*** up the movie a little.

 

[MadVillainy]

I said immediately after Trank was hired that it was too soon for him to be given a big hundred million $ tentpole to helm. Chronicle was a neat little movie but that was his first gig and he didn't have nearly enough experience yet for FOX to gamble on him so early in his career. He should have made another movie or two first, and gradually gotten used to bigger and bigger budgets and the increasing pressure that goes with it. Chris Nolan didn't make Batman Begins right after making Memento, did he? No, he made Insomnia first. He honed his craft and got more experience. So should have Trank.

Too be fair Gareth Edwards really only had 1 movie (Monsters) before Godzilla and Colin Trevorrow only had Safety Not Guranteed under his belt.

Whether you like Jurassic World and Godzilla or not, they aren't failures of a movie critically or commercially. And both of those come from guys who's previous movies had little to no action (I don't remember Monsters much other than I found it boring).
The problem is not necessarily that Trank is inexperienced. It's that, but multiple reports he's kinda an abrasive a**hole and in addition to that he didn't seem to respect the source material

 

[Tim_Riggins]

"reports", none of those rumors have been confirmed, do you believe everything you read on the internet?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

More like Kinberg's is Fox's go to guy on those properties and he basically comes in to help.

Kinberg did a great job on DOFP but that doesn't mean he hasn't f*** up the movie a little.

I don't think he did a good job with DoFP. While I am a fan of the movie, it is kind of stupid. I like Kinberg for his Star Wars work, but here. Well here he earned his blame.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

"reports", none of those rumors have been confirmed, do you believe everything you read on the internet?

You don't think the Trank stuff is real? I believe THR mentioned it, which is as good as confirmed.

 

[Tony Stark]

The blame lies solely with Fox. This was nothing more than a glorified rights grab. Marvel was trying to negotiate a deal with Fox and Fox seeing Marvel's success backtracked and just threw something together to put on their pallet. They did the same thing with First Class but in that case they had long planned to do a back story with Xavier and Magneto, so they were able to put together a much more polished product.

As far a Kinberg, yes the guy is a hack. The stuff that he takes credit for, for being successful was usually a scriptment that he put together that was thrown out, and others came in to fix the job, (i.e. Sherlock Holmes).

I can't blame Kinberg for this mess. This is just a perfect example of greedy studio execs who see dollar signs and just want to throw out a product no matter what it is.

It's amazing that will all the efforts to reboot this, it's sounding like in most cases this is worse than the Story films!

 

[lordofthenerds]

More like Kinberg's is Fox's go to guy on those properties and he basically comes in to help.

Kinberg did a great job on DOFP but that doesn't mean he hasn't f*** up the movie a little.

He didn't do such a great job with XXX: State of the Union, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, the previous FF, X3, Jumper, and This Means War.

Let's not pretend like Simon Kinberg is some master screenwriter just because he wrote one decent script.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

I don't know of his previous work, the fact is, with screenwriting, it's very complicated to know who wrote what, when.

 

[lordofthenerds]

I don't know of his previous work, the fact is, with screenwriting, it's very complicated to know who wrote what, when.

Yeah. So when he gets credit for one good movie and a number of crappy ones... It's safest to assume he was less involved in the good movie.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Like I said, I don't know of his previous work, so I was just talking about DOFP and the fact that he has god knows how many projects cooking.

 

[Jason Kane]

What of Slater then?

 

[Eddie]

Slater's a garbage writer, but at least three other people tried their hand at the script after him. I think the studio was well aware of the crap quality of the initial script.