Ryan Reynolds "actively" working on Deadpool spinoff

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea he was in talks about playing Flash too. But that got drowned out with the Deadpool talk.

And I dunno bout him for Spider-Man, he's too tall and lanky looking.

 

[The Guard]

Reynolds talks a good game. But it's FOX. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Figs]

Reynolds talks a good game. But it's FOX. I'll believe it when I see it.

Yeah, I got excited from hearing Reynold's comments but had to squash my excitement due to the film being under Fox. : (

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea it is Fox. But they have shown they can be accurate to the source material before. Daredevil is VERY accurate to the source material in essence. And Daredevil NEEDED to be accurate to the source material, much like Deadpool. The ONLY way those characters can work is if it is true to the source.

 

[Figs]

Yea it is Fox. But they have shown they can be accurate to the source material before. Daredevil is VERY accurate to the source material in essence. And Daredevil NEEDED to be accurate to the source material, much like Deadpool. The ONLY way those characters can work is if it is true to the source.

That's very true and I'm glad Reynolds is getting some control(or it sounds that way at least)but I just hope Fox doesn't make them edit the film down or just dumb it down overall.

I know your a huge fan Ace, do you think the movie should be rated R or would it work as PG-13? Personally I think R would be better, just seems to fit his world a bit better at times.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I'm gonna TRY to not get too excited yet

And yea I think Rated-R/18 would be ideal. It's a story about a guy who gets cancer and goes to extreme lengths to find a cure, to only end up horribly disfigured. That right there would be pushing PG-13 straight away I think. Plus you have the black humour, violence and language.

But saying that I don't think it HAS to be Rated-R. It could be PG-13 and still be good, as long as it really pushes the limit. But obviously if it was Rated R there would be less restrictions.

I think as long as they don't try and make it a big budget summer blockbuster I think it has a good chance of being R/18. You could make it for under 100 million easily I reckon. And release it at the end of the summer or winter, not mid summer.

 

[highguard]

Well I am going to Jump in here and say, PG13 might be the way to go. Even Blade could have been PG13, PG13 brings in a larger audience and that is something that increases the chances of you getting good box office returns which is becoming the arbiter of success among hardcore fans. There are people trying to say Wolverine Origins was a bomb, but 175 mil in coin will say to a studio and others that....... ok we will take that kind of bomb any day.

There are so many people ready to kill a film if it does not deliver that making R rated films is a bigger risk than ever, and anyway I think more movies that kids and younger people can go to and enjoy is a cool thing.

I say push the envelope in terms of action and stuff, but the really gory stuff, do we really need to entrails and stuff hanging out of people.

Jeff Loeb did that in his ultimates and you know what, his story was still weak.

Of course I am biased towards movies that I can watch with my kids. The R rated version can always be release on a director's cut and we know Fox likes to double dip.

 

[highguard]

Well I am going to Jump in here and say, PG13 might be the way to go. Even Blade could have been PG13, PG13 brings in a larger audience and that is something that increases the chances of you getting good box office returns which is becoming the arbiter of success among hardcore fans. There are people trying to say Wolverine Origins was a bomb, but 175 mil in coin will say to a studio and others that....... ok we will take that kind of bomb any day.

There are so many people ready to kill a film if it does not deliver that making R rated films is a bigger risk than ever, and anyway I think more movies that kids and younger people can go to and enjoy is a cool thing.

I say push the envelope in terms of action and stuff, but the really gory stuff, do we really need to see entrails and stuff hanging out of people.

Jeff Loeb did that in his ultimates and you know what, his story was still weak.

Of course I am biased towards movies that I can watch with my kids. The R rated version can always be release on a director's cut and we know Fox likes to double dip.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

That's true. I'd imagine they will treat Deadpool the same way they treated Daredevil. And to be honest, I wouldn't mind that. Really for the life of me can't understand why Daredevil gets so much hate.

But it's not just violence I'm talking about. It's the actual character. He's a guy who got terminal cancer, went to extreme lengths to cure it, and ended up horribly disfigured and mentally disturbed. Deadpool isn't all fun and games, he is a very disturbing character really.

 

[Karelia]

You can push PG-13 pretty far these days, so I'm not really worried if it's PG-13. I mean look at Two Face's face, that was pretty disturbing, or I thought it was, and that's probably the best rating it could get as far as getting more movie goers.

I'm just glad Reynolds is going to try and make it faithful to the comics. I just hope Fox isn't going to try and change big things to the character that completely ruin the movie.

 

[Sundancer]

With everyone focusing on Reynolds, studios and directors, people often forget one of the most important elements in a successful movie:


The screenplay.



A successful comic-to-movie adaption knows the source material, but more importantly knows how a movie is structured and works. Often its when the studio ****s with it that problems arise, as in Daredevil (director's cut is much better IMO)

-- Studio wanted that coveted PG-13--we got a watered down Daredevil

--Donner threw out the Salkinds Superman joke-ridden script and we got a commercially and critically successful Superman movie.

--Nolan worked closely with David Goyer to find out the best direction to take Batman.

-- Most critics' complaints about Ang Lee's Hulk are script related (ie. pacing)



I think more fanboys are happy if changes are made and work out in the story's best interests. Liam Neeson's Rhas al Ghul is very little like the comics but the character worked in the story.


Deadpool is a lot like the Punisher in that people are going to see the character and what they do as opposed to some great relationship with the supporting cast or particular face-off with a villain. The story doesn't need to be epic like Spiderman, but it can''t be a bunch of one-liners either.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well exactly. A Deadpool film needs a brilliant screen play. As you say, there needs to be more than just one liners.

I've got some rough ideas for the film floating around in my head, find it hard to put them int words though. I will get to it eventually

 

[-JKR-]

I've read some Deadpool comics by now (genius!) and I think that a Deadpool movie is gonna be difficult to pull off. At least, with the sensibilities of most of today's filmmakers. Such a character would've fit perfectly into the 1980's blockbusters.

I mean, the movie really has to be schyzophrenic (and DEMENTED) like the character himself: you've got to have the right amount of comedy, but also the right amount of drama (since you should care for the character), but action, suspense and horror elements are important, too. So it really should be a mix of movies such as Predator, Commando, Gremlins, Die Hard, Darkman, etc. - and at the same time the script has got to be solid, because with so many elements and possible characters to include it could easily result in a mess.

The worst they could do would be a "generic comic flick + comedy". This one has got to be special to succeed. But for this you gotta get a passionate and talented creative team, who also know how to mold these characters according to their sensibilities.

Shane Black, Mike Judge and Joss Whedon are names floating in my head right now.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

It would be pretty difficult to get spot on, because Deadpool and his world is so unique. But I think it can be done.

 

[-JKR-]

Storywise they gotta decide if they should tie Deadpool into the X-Men Universe or not (at leat I hope it won't have too many connections with the Wolverine spin-off), since there's so many appearances of different Marvel characters in the comics...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Na I don't think so. Deadpool will be out long before the next X-Men movie, it's being "fast tracked" apparently. If Deadpool get's turned into a franchise I could see Siryn or Cable turning up if they are introduced in the next X-Men movie though.

For his first movie I'd keep the story quite simple. Maybe open the film with a scene like in Deadpools first solo issue, stalking a group of soldiers in the jungle, then have flash backs of him at weapon x explaining that he has terminal cancer and all that. Then jump back to the present where he is doing merc jobs and what not.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Deadpool has a big enough cast of characters to work around the Marvel Universe. I mean theres a few characters that belong in DP more than anyone else. Taskmaster for 1. Hes probably the only person with the possibility of being in another movie but should be in a DP movie. His run ins with Syrin and Juggie should just be ignored. Cable's origin could take up an entire movie and time travel can get annoying. I would be completely ok with them skipping over him too.

You've got: Taskmaster, Agent X, Outlaw, Sandi, Weasal, Zoe and the others from Landau, Luckman, and Lake, Bob, Blind Al, Fenway, C.B., Patch, Sluggo, Slayback, Copycat, T-Ray, Irene Merryweather, The Cat, Black Swan, and all the mobsters from Taskmaster and Agency X titles.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think you can just ignore Siryn. She played a massive part in his development. If she is in the next X-Men movie why not include her in a Deadpool sequel if he gets one? Same with Cable. If he gets his own movie or is introduced in another X-Men movie I see no problem with them crossing over into Deadpools movies. Sorta like how Marvel are going with the Avengers. I could see Deadpool having a couple of movies, Cable being introduced and explained in another movie, then eventually there could be a Cable and Deadpool movie.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I don't think you can just ignore Siryn. She played a massive part in his development. If she is in the next X-Men movie why not include her in a Deadpool sequel if he gets one? Same with Cable. If he gets his own movie or is introduced in another X-Men movie I see no problem with them crossing over into Deadpools movies. Sorta like how Marvel are going with the Avengers. I could see Deadpool having a couple of movies, Cable being introduced and explained in another movie, then eventually there could be a Cable and Deadpool movie.

Syrin is presently 15 or so in the X-Men movieverse already. And I wouldnt say Syrin played a massive part. Shes interchangebale with any other do-good female role. The only reason why it was her in the first place was because it was her uncle who Deadpool was facing off against. Typhoid Mary had a much more massive and specific effect on his development as did Copycat and Blind Al, with the additional bonus of being a Deadpool original supporting cast. Cable and Deadpool as a title was fun and added development to Deadpool, but I dont think Cable is required for the movie-verse.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

He might not be required, but it would be ****ing awesome IMO. As if you wouldn't wanna see a Cable and Deadpool movie set in an apocalyptic future ala Mad Max? That would be insane.

And I suppose you are right about Siryn. But see I love the idea of a twisted love triangle between Siryn, Wade and Typhoid. I think that would be really interesting to see, and it would be sorta satirical of "love triangle" movies too.

 

[cerealkiller182]

He might not be required, but it would be ****ing awesome IMO. As if you wouldn't wanna see a Cable and Deadpool movie set in an apocalyptic future ala Mad Max? That would be insane.

Actually Id be ok with not seeing that.

And I suppose you are right about Siryn. But see I love the idea of a twisted love triangle between Siryn, Wade and Typhoid. I think that would be really interesting to see, and it would be sorta satirical of "love triangle" movies too.

Id rather avoid that at all costs. Deadpool should never be satirical. That means outside elements are being crazy. Deadpool should be the only crazy one. Its why hes crazy in the first place. If his world was crazy, Deadpool would be normal.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Deadpool should never be satirical? Wha...?!!?!? I have to question whether you know a thing about Deadpool and his universe. Deadpool is ALWAYS satirical. Well not always but satire is a MASSIVE part of the character. It's one of the things that makes him appealing. He is satirical without going into full on spoofing.

 

[Figs]

Deadpool should never be satirical? Wha...?!!?!? I have to question whether you know a thing about Deadpool and his universe. Deadpool is ALWAYS satirical. Well not always but satire is a MASSIVE part of the character. It's one of the things that makes him appealing. He is satirical without going into full on spoofing.

I think cerealkiller182 meant the movie overall. Not Deadpool himself but the other characters that will be in his movie.

Correct me if I'm wrong cereal.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Still wouldn't understand what that means

I mean, a Deadpool film MUST be satirical. It simple HAS to be. Even if only slightly. That would be what sets it apart from all other comic book movies. Deadpool comics are a satirical spin on other comics, so the movie should be a satirical spin on comic book movies. But still retain the serious narrative and the insane action.

 

[Shaolin Kenobi]

What kills me about Fox... is they HAVE to be aware how much people despise what they have done to many of our beloved icons. They either don't care and want the quick and dirty buck... or they are complete bafoons.