Samus vs. Master Chief: Who Wins?

Who would win in a fight?

  • Samas Aran

  • Master Chief


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Fenrir is scary, at least you have some perspective. :o


Dozen - Considered one of the earliest numerical grouping terms in existence, a Dozen refers to the number 12.

So you end up fighting 24 or more at the same time routinely in the game.

Except you don't.
 
Fenrir is scary, at least you have some perspective. :o


Dozen - Considered one of the earliest numerical grouping terms in existence, a Dozen refers to the number 12.

So you end up fighting 24 or more at the same time routinely in the game.

Except you don't.

Sorry, an exaggeration. But you do end up at least fighting 12 at a time at some points in the earth levels and later in the game. :o
 
I think you might fight closer to 16 at a time in Halo 1 when you and the UNSC are holding that little structure against the Convenant dropships.
 
I swear this was not worth all the effort.

When I entered this I got this message:

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Stop and think about that 27 thousand 993 characters.

What, you think he'll just stand around there waiting like an idiot for Samus to empty her ammo stock? He'll use the shield like a defensive catapult that'll give him an opening to jump in for the kill.

Wow so following your logic Samus must be just standing there and shooting at him, brilliant hypocrisy. Yes because Samus is just going to let him is she.

You should have realized that earlier when you senselessly barged in to argue against a comment you didn't even comprehend to begin with.

Wow get over it.

Oh really? Then how come he runs much faster in the Halo 3 TV spot when as you claim, he was running at "full tilt"? :whatever:

He doesn't, and you can't prove that he ran measurably faster or slower so your point is moot. Sorry.

Even so, that doesn't give you the license to dismiss the books, especially when Bungie insists they are admissible. End of story. Your attempts at trying to do so only show how desperate you've become in defending Samus.

Nice job just agreeing with me by validating the disconnect between the books and the games. THe games trump the books.

Books or no books Samus walks away with this. You're the definition of a dilusional fanboy.


Yes, that's why he runs much faster in the Halo 3 TV spot than he does in that Halo 2 cinematic. Get it, sweetie?

I went back and looked again, and then I replayed that part in Halo 2 on easy, and no he doesn't run measurably faster or slower.

Pretty soon I might just start taking your habit of calling me sweetie as a deliberately demeaning gender oriented insult. Make all the drama out of that you want, but that's what you do for every freaking word someone posts.

I've also given examples from MGS2, why didn't you take THOSE into account? Deliberately pretending to be blind, deaf and dumb isn't going to help here.

Except I did and it only substanciates my arguement.

And besides, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that though the cinematics in Halo are quite involving and interesting, the animation in them, compared to other games like Ninja Gaiden, MGS, God of War, DMC etc. is very, very basic.

I can't believe that your using animation quality to try and excuse a lack of presented ability. Hilarious, and desperate. "he didn't run as fast because the animation wasn't as good!"

In fact, the Halo 3 TV spot was the first time we saw the Chief moving and acting like that, striking cool poses and all.

Oh **** Billy, master Chief posed like a Ninja! Wow!

Has absolutely nothing to do with anything. He didn't move in anyway betrayed some hidden or better ability that was different then how we've seen him in the games. He just did it with better graphics and a lot better animation. Something you fail to comprehend; thinking that shaky camera angles and more detailed running means he was running faster.

Oy.

This is the best part:

That alone is enough to prove that the animation limitations in the Halo games have nothing to do with the Chief's actual abilities.

Wow really, so I can't even presume that he can actually open the shuttle bay door because his animations have nothing to do with his actual abilities.

Seriously desperate. This entire line of thinking is reaching really far. There's no "Animation limitations" in Halo idiot. You can make someone run fast with the same low keyframe and minimal hand tweaking approach in Halo as you can with the massive by hand 'massaging' of a CGI movie.

Like I said, the animation in Halo is very, very basic and dare I say it, unimpressive. 90% of the time, all the Chief does is either walk, cock his weapon or some other mundane stuff. It's obvious Bungie paid more attention to the gameplay than they did to the cinematics.

The first part has nothing to do with anything.

The second part: WELL DUH.


And now we can actuall get on topic... sort of.


No, she's not. You only think that way because all the Samus supporters think of Chief like he's some idiot who's simply going to stand still in one place and take a beating.

No actually I don't. You seem to operate under the illusion that she wouldn't be able to hit Master Chief which is well, dumb. Or that he's so much faster then her, also dumb, Master Chief is going in for the kill at close range and will suceed at that because he can catch her, also dumb.

And now since you admit taking into account the books, it won't be hard for you acknowledge the Chief's unbeatable field tactics and battle strategies.

Yeah I mean, 'totally', that must be why the humans are losing, because this guy can devise unbeatable battle strategies and feild tactics. :rolleyes:

And unlike Samus who needs a pitiful visor and onboard computer to do all the thinking for her

1. A visor that can instantly switch between and analize various spectrums and is also able to interface with machinery wirelessly is not pitiful.

2. Her onboard computer doesn't 'do all the work for her'. Are you talking about the auto lock? The whole game mecahnics to make aiming work? Wow it's the weirdest thing, she never used that in any of the other non Prime games did she? UNLESS she always did and it worked 100 percent of the time along a horozontal axis and the NES/SNES just didn't have the technology to show the missile weaving closer and further away from the screen! In that case Master Chief would be in even more trouble!

And please, don't mistake the fact that Samus can scan virtually everything for a weakness as a sign that she has to. Considering 95 percent over everything scanned in the prime games is for completing log and lore and morpholigy entries and the enemies weaknesses are always very logical WITHOUT scanning them.

the Chief does it on the fly. That means he won't have to stop and scan his enemy for information and weaknesses.

Oh yes, I'm sure the much hidden "Shoot him and it will hurt him" puzzle will ellude Miss Aran.

Shut the **** up. :rolleyes:

He'll do it on his own within seconds.

Funny you should say within seconds, as even if she DID scan him it would only take seconds, given her mobility I don't think he'd be able to kill her in seconds, or that charging her would be the best idea.

In a battle, the Chief is off to a running start, and considering how relentless he is during conflict (well enough to earn him the title "demon" amongst the Covenant), he'll end it before Samus finishes scanning him.

And considering how relentless she is during a conflict (Well enough to earn her the of the "The Hunter" amongst the Space Pirates and infamy in the entire known galaxy), she will never... ever go down that easilly. What you think she just going to stand there even if she did waste time scanning him (he's obviously not a special form of space pirate. He bares a distinct look instantly recognizable as a "HUMAN IN BATTLE ARMOR").

This is after it's a well known fact that Samus is more agile (BECAUSE of her ability to move along the vertical axis somuch easier) and has much more mobility.

Wake up.


Uhh, yeah. So? How does that relieve you of the responsibility to answer my challenge to you about bringing to table these "gross discontinuities" in specific and concise detail between the novel and the game? Uh-uh, hon, don't dodge the question.


I 'accept defeat' (if only you hadn't previously admitted one of my examples was true). :rolleyes:

I'll be adding 'hon' to that list of terms I'm going to start taking offense to.


Yeah, that standard can be applied to Snake, but not the Chief. Disgusting selectivity and pathetic double standards FTW!!

The Standard applies to both of them.

The physics model of Crysis that enables it's main character to freely pull off such impressive feats in a sandbox like environment alone would've been impossible on last-gen systems. You're really reaching here.

No you're reaching. The physics model of crisis isn't what enables the character to do such impressive feats. We've had the ability to replicate that physics model ever since before Half Life 2. Being able to run very fast, throw a barrel at a helicopter etc aren't revolutionary concepts. And neither would they have been impossible on the last gen systems. Look at Farcry and weep.

Stop reaching out of desperation.

And he is. If only you admitted this sooner, we wouldn't have been running around in circles for so long.

Only an idiot would think I hadn't aknowledged that or that it was even a point of contention. Master Chief is less capable in game then he truely is and it's the same with almost every video game character, he's not a special or unique snowflake.

Stop wasting space just becaus you love to read your own words.

Grrrrrrrrrreat reply. Oh my that totally annihilates my argument. I'll go kill myself now out of shame. *Sarcasm alert*


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Pray tell, has there been even a SINGLE weapon in the ENTIRETY of both Halo games that was exclusive to multiplayer mode for you to make this ridiculous claim?

Just what I heard on 1UP Yours. It has nothing to do with prior history as you want to tie it to.

Ridley is just another alien.

Wrong, he's one of the leading weapons of the Space Pirates. On that basis alone your comment is total crap.

Really, there is simply NO rational explanation why he takes so mucu firepower to kill. His basic form is just flesh, maybe plated like reptiles but nothing extraordinary.

Answer me this: If his form was just flesh and, 'maybe plated like reptiles' and 'nothing extraordinary'?

How does he survive in the vacum of space

Now I could go into more detail but I think I'll let you choke on your own stupidity first.

Now Meta-Ridley is another story, but even he has a glaring weakpoint that outshines even the sun, practically screaming "shoot over here!". It's just a classic case of giving bosses ridiculously big health bars even though logically speaking, they shouldn't be able to withstand so much damage. Unless you bring me something more insightful from credible sources as to why Ridley needs so many missiles to kill aside from that big-ass health bar, it's a dismissible argument. Otherwise, I might as well bring 343 Guilty Spark in the equation as well claiming he's THE biggest badass enemy character of all, since he HAS no health bar and is IMPOSSIBLE to kill, enjoying his way through humming and blabbering computer jagron while you unload every manner of firepower into him with NO effect.

Funny thing, my last reply just basically rendered the majority of this paragraph moot.

Guilty Spark is made out of material that is practically invincible. They're designed to last forever. Seems this aspect have gone over your head.

So no your entire "It's only because he has a weakspot that he has such a big health bar" crap is just that, crap.

Ridley is just another alien. There, I said it.

I've already shown how wrong you are. Not only that, but your horribly lopsided view of each respective world which discredits your entire arguement.

Like I said luv, the Chief won't stand there waiting for Samus arsenal to run out. Her standard missiles don't fire fast enough to take him down before he gets to her, and he can either dodge the super missile or take a direct hit if he's on overshields (and really, why wouldn't he be, when Samus gets ALL her powerups and upgrades) and then jump in with a swipe of the Plasma Sword that'll slice her head clean off.

Her standard misilles do fire fast enough in every entry of the series save Prime. What do you think is more powerful, a Charged Plasma Pistol or a Charge Shot from Samus Arans' Buster?

She can reach areas he litterally cannot. She can jump higher, farther and faster and exploit any environment to her advantage much easier then Master Chief can. What part of he can easilly reach areas above him, she can see where he is at all times, and has a weapon that passes through matter can't you comprehend.

And consider for a moment that the regular shot would be doing enough consistent damage to the Chief. Her compliment of weapons in general would be doing enough damage to him to make him weary of a headon assault. The minute the wave beam or her regular shot in Fushion (the latest game in the series) comes into play, it's pretty much bye bye.

Your entire arguement is based around the notion of ignoring all of her abilities, her superior firepower, and durability. Master Chief is awesome and one of my favorite characters (even though he himself isn't much of one the Halo Universe is really fun), but you endless splooging is annoying.

But with overshields, it almost takes 3 missiles, and add to that, the shield bomb and the Chief's got enough defensive options to last him until he delivers the coup de grace.

No, he doesn't. Aside from the fact that Samus can rain down megabombs on his head from places he can't even reach, or litterally screw attack endlessly from one area to another, hit him when he tries to duck back under cover to recharge. Even without vertical elements that she can easilly exploit to her advantage in any given scenario, she's not going to be standing still and firing. She's capable of manuevering along more then just the ground and making a small jump.
 
Splash damage is not enough to shake the Chief, let alone stop him.

It sure as hell was enough to do more then just stagger him in your much loved Halo TV spot. Your poblem is that you continuously exagerating the Master Chief. Get some perspective. I love him to, but be realistic.

And the ice beam? With his superhuman strength, he'll just break through it.

I don't think you have any quantifiable way of backing that up.

It's like trying to freeze Superman or The Hulk. A futile attempt.

Wow total fanboy warning.

And Samus Aran has never faced anyone as dangerous as the Chief. Fact. With a capital "F".

Within the realm of human sized enemies I totally agree.

Uh, no. The sword ignores all kinds of armored defense. That's why a single lunging strike will kill any Elite or Spartan upon impact 100% of the time. Samus' suit may be able to resist conventional weaponry, but the Plasma Sword will cut through it like hot knife through butter. Yeah, I used that phrase again. Sue me.

She gets hit with Plasma Swords in Metroid Prime 3 and in the traditional games. She can take them from what we've seen. Her suit probably has some sort of counter measures. It's when she's out of her suit that there are problems.

With the Chief's genetic strength and speed enhancements and the MJOLNIR armor's reactive metal liquid crystal and hydrostatic gel systems that not only give the suit unprecedented mobility, but actually enhance the wearer's speed and strength by significant margins. Again, you read the novels and you didn't even know that?

Well that was a pointless geekasm.

In such a case, a relentless offensive push on part of the Chief is enough to balance things out, as it's a basic fact that attacking while evading is more a defensive maneuver.

So Master Chief is not going to evade her attacks? That makes it easier.

Actually, close-range is where Samus would be deader than dead no matter how you try to put it.

He'd have mutually assured destruction in that situation with a Plasma/Energy based Sword (which Samus have gotten hit with before).

Not just tactics, but overall battle strategy and combat maneuvers like lightning fast aiming and reflexes further enhanced by his armor and genetic modifications, a flawless aim and a keen and developed killer instinct. As a pure-bred supersoldier, there is simply no argument that the Chief is a much more formidable warrior. All the Chief knows is war.

Ok stop giving him a ******* we get it.

He'd probably be a more formidable Warrior, but then again purebred warriors do get defeated by caparatively lesser experienced people. And Samus is not lacking in experience by any means considering she the foremost gun for hire in the universe was trained from childhood, and served in the GF military for years before becoming a bounty hunter. Just because he has more experience (because as you've said that all he's experienced) doesn't mean he's winning in this fight.

I'm not saying Samus does not have a tactical ability, but compared to the Chief's expertise in the area, it's pretty much non-existent.

That laughable; you know it. I see it's time to brace for more fanboy goggles.

After all, the very title of "Master Chief" is given to someone who is at the relative top of naval chain of command (even in real life)

True.

and anyone who has earned this prestigious rank is a legend in every sense of the word whose tactical, strategical and combat skills are leagues beyond anyone can comprehend.

NOT TRUE. Do you ever turn off.

Actually I do. It's you who needs to know what she's talking about. Sure Samus was trained to be a warrior, but that's all she got. Training.

Definition: Warrior
someone engaged in or experienced in warfare
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As in the act to Wage War, not simply fight but to understand fighting. Being trained as a warrior isn't just how to use a gun.

But the Chief was not only relentless trained by the best, but he also has genetic enhancements that put his skills way beyond anyone can achieve through natural means.

I love this you start by saying all Samus had is training and then say that Chief was 'trained by the best and say that he has genetic enhancements that put his skills way beyond what anyone can achieve through Natural Means.


Add to that Samus' suit having onboard visor and computer that easily compensate for her lack of skill in targeting or assessing the enemy's weaknesses on her own

Wow, ****** Prime. Samus doesn't rely on the visor, she doesn't even use it in 90 percent of the games and we've already gone over the lock on. THis point like so many others, is moot, and baised fanboy drivel.

But spending years with experimental suits and exoskeletons have allowed the Chief to refine his skills through raw combat that make him a much more natural killing machine.

You don't realize how irrelivent this comment is considering Samus has gone through countless changes herself.

And it is only the latest incarnations of the MJOLNIR that amplify his performance to even greater levels.

Blah blah blah blah blah.

Secondly, what's so great about Samus joining the Galactic Federation Military? Didn't these guys get their rear ends kicked by the Space Pirates,

Secondly, what's so great about Master Chief joining the UNSC? Didn't these guys get their rear ends kicked by the Covenant? To the point of certain extinction?

precisely why they started the "Space Hunter" program to beg for help from bounter hunters?

Percisely why they started the Spartan program? To have infantry that could go toe to toe with Elites. Oh right you're cherry picking and squewing everying to fit your own agenda.

While on the other hand, you have the UNSC who have held their own against the Covenant for many years despite having significantly inferior technology and despite a number of crushing defeats, have never begged help from anyone. The Master Chief walks with a band of badasses. Samus is hired help for a organization that can't even help itself.

What a stupid line of reasoning.

If by hold their own you mean get totally slaughtered and that they only have a hope of beating the convenant in a situation where they hold a 3 fold avantage.

And if by hold your own you mean purposefully plan dark jumps and self destruct countless assets to prevent the Covenant from learning where a new Human planet. Because the second the Covonent learned of a new Human settlement they would crush it inevitably.

Hell the Covanent found Earth by accident with a fleet that was by no means meant to engage the UNSC ina conflict, and they still managed to destroy 2 of the 3 UNSC co-ordination stations for the Orbital defence platforms, get a ship past all of the hundreds of cannons that could 'punch a hole clean through any Covanent Battle Cruiser' and Destroy and entire city on Earth. Humanities last stronghold after the Fall of Reach.

The Galactic Federation isn't just composed of humans, of course they're going to do whatever it takes to win a war, their survival is at stake. If you honestly thing that the UNCS didn't hire any private military contractors or outsource anything you're dilusional. That's exactly the same thing in principle as hiring bounty hunters to fight for you.

In case your ignorant, hiring PMCs is a modern practice today, think about when youre species is at stake.

Even if the prospect of Humanity being genocided made people band together to sucha degree that PMC (Essentially hired guns) were a thing of the past, if Humanity had the option of hiring Bounty Hunters to help them from other alien species or had the option of getting help from any external source what so ever, you'd be entirely more stupid then I think you are to say they wouldn't take it.

So please, wake up.

Since when does "calculated warfare" imply hit and run? Surely you're not that dumb.

Calculated Warfare is a very general term to describe what is essentially fighting strategicly smart. It can mean almost anything in terms of styles of engagement, even hit and run. You fail again.

That's because he's fighting a defensive war. In his entire conflict, there has never arised a situation where he had to destroy a planet. And considering the fact that he took out a weapon that could wipe out an entire galaxy, destroying a planet seems a little petty by comparison, wouldn't you agree?

The Ing aimed to disrupt the balance of reality itself, so... yeah. Let's see, Metroids... if harvested by the Space Pirates would be the key to wiping out the Galactic Federation which is made up of many more species then just humans in the Galaxy.

Umm, the Covenant use Forerunner technology that is by far the most advanced in the universe. And the Chief kills them by the thousands.

Oh right forerunner technology. Ohhh ahhhh. And you describe the space pirates as petty technology thiefs totally ignoring the very basis of their culture for hundreds of years has been a combination of the Borg and the Zerg. Samus kills things by the thousands and she kills Space Pirates much the same way.

And yeah, they do use some Forerunner technology, the Space Pirates can reverse engineer Chozo technology but that doesn't mean they're able to weild it as well.

A few notches? LOL. Master Chief may be the single foremost factor in the preservation of mankind who were on the edge of elimination from the universe.

And Samus has been the only factor in the preservation and destruction of species who were on the edge of elimination from the known galaxy. You had a point here I'm sure.

He singlehandedly turned the tides of so many wars and protected Earth and human forces from complete annihilation, he might very well be termed a Messiah.

He has only fought in one war, and they've been losing it for a long time now.

His unbeatable Battle Tactics sure turned the tide of Earth versus the prophet of Regret, yep. That was a total victory.

A substandard Covanent fleet only decimated the majority of the capabilty of Earth to defend itself via the battle platform. The Prophet not only got through the defense platform but destroyed an entire city.


As for you Massiah stuff. I do not disagree that he is seen in that light. I'm sure the Governments propaganda unit does their best to portray him that way (not that it's unfounded).

Samus is litterally refered to by certain species as their equivalent to a religious Massiah. Some of her feats have been foretold by those same species for generations who prayed for her arrival when the darkness continued to take them.

Hint: you really didn't read the log entries enough.

I said the Chief has infinitely more experience than her. Don't put words in my mouth.

I didn't put words in you're mouth and you're the one saying that everyone who thinks Samus would win thinks that the Chief would just stand there. Hypocrite.

Galactic Trade Federation Military? Proved a buncha losers by the Space Pirates and now begging bounty hunters for help. The UNSC would wipe the floor with those sissies.

We already covered this.

Samus Trained to be a warrior? Pfft, the Chief is BOTH trained and genetically enhanced.

And so is Samus.

Not to mention his skills are way more refined than Samus' can ever hope to be because he's spent years with underdeveloped, experimental suits and armors before he got one that truly complements his abilities.

You can paint a pretty picture but you have no follow through beside your fanboy ravings. Samus clearly doesn't lack refinement in her skills. Measuring 'skill refinement' is a waste of time.

When we're talking about the level of refinement and practice that these two have, on this volume, any difference is pretty much moot. Though Chief would have more practice.

Where are you getting this "most people" blabber from? A poll on a superhero message board comprised of barely around a 100 posters? LOL! Do a nationwide survery or something like that and then try and tell me what "most people think".

Well when I say most people I mean most people in this thread who voted who are video game enthusiasts since only the enthusiasts would post online not the casuals. The reason Samus has the lead is because people here who are more into games and understand both characters have voted that Samus would probably win.

And considering how the Nintendo section is the distant third to the Microsoft and Sony section, the Nintendo fanboys card isn't played as easily.

And if a nation wide survey were done: Master Chief would win decidedly because Halo is a much bigger franchise and has a huge casual gamer contingent who really really enjoy Halo and think MC is badass (with good reason, duh).

Nope and this has been disproven countless number of times in this thread with substantial arguments rather than with empty, meaningless assertions.

Besides your basis of him winning the fight is moot. She's taken hits from Energy blade before and she isn't killed by them.

It would be an awesome fight. But Samus would have him beat the majority of the time.

May you burn in hell
 
Wow, Zenny, you are officially the biggest pathetic, ******ed loser on this board. 27993 characters?! Guess you didn't realize more than half of that "pathetic drivel" is your own inane banter. OK, I concede, MC can't win against Samus. All that effort just to get a little confession out of me. Congratulations on not having a life, dumbass. The hours you wasted on me were surely worth it.
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Wow, Zenny, you are officially the biggest pathetic, ******ed loser on this board. 27993 characters?! Guess you didn't realize more than half of that "pathetic drivel" is your own inane banter. OK, I concede, MC can't win against Samus. All that effort just to get a little confession out of me. Congratulations on not having a life, dumbass. The hours you wasted on me were surely worth it.
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Did you actually read it? That's all way too ong for me to waste my time reading.


It's simple for me. MC is a man, Samus is a chick. Guys are stronger than girls. Men have been proven to hold up better in combat than women. They don't see combat in our military for a reason. Although we see it in Canada's military. And we all know how mighty powerful Canada is...:o End of story.
 
One of the most obvious concerns regarding women in combat situations is the fact that, on average, female soldiers do not possess as great a physical strength and stamina as their male counterparts. The female skeletal system is also less dense, and more prone to breakages. There is also concern that, in aviation, the female body is not as adept at handling the increased gravitational forces experienced by combat pilots. Furthermore, health issues regarding women currently prevent the vast majority of submarine services from accepting women.

aka men are stronger than woman.
 
This thread is crazy.
All this over Samus vs. MC.
It's just opinion, anyway, right.....

guys?

:dry:
 
This thread is crazy.
All this over Samus vs. MC.
It's just opinion, anyway, right.....

guys?

:dry:

Pretty much, yeah. It is alot of conjecture based off of opinion. But that's what you get when the people on opposing sides of the argument are both fanboys of the side they're arguing for. It can't be helped.
 
Fenrir, I have warned you for use of language in pursuing a personal attack, but you have seen fit to ignore such warning by launching tirades against Zenien. This is your second warning.
 
Zenien, facts have been presented before me that the attacks leveled against you are by some measure not without provocation.

Now, I truly understand how emotional debates can be when you believe so much in your conviction. But I must ask you and Fenrir to contain yourselves. Remarks such as "Ok stop giving him a *******, we get it" will only elicit similar responses.

I'm warning you, Zenien, please remain civil.

Thank you.
 
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Alright fine that comment was over the line. :O

Truthfully enough, not entirely without provocation. I think I use the word idiot once in that 27 thousand 993 character post. Annnnd... maybesayhe'dbestupidtothinksomething about... 4 times.

Of course I'll be civil. :confused:

Aw that means he read it! :)
 
One of the most obvious concerns regarding women in combat situations is the fact that, on average, female soldiers do not possess as great a physical strength and stamina as their male counterparts. The female skeletal system is also less dense, and more prone to breakages. There is also concern that, in aviation, the female body is not as adept at handling the increased gravitational forces experienced by combat pilots. Furthermore, health issues regarding women currently prevent the vast majority of submarine services from accepting women.

aka men are stronger than woman.

This has to be the worst (not to mention the most sexist) arguement for an MC win in this thread - You know we're not dealing with average soldiers here.

And kudos to Zenien.:up: :up:
 
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Alright fine that comment was over the line. :O

Truthfully enough, not entirely without provocation. I think I use the word idiot once in that 27 thousand 993 character post. Annnnd... maybesayhe'dbestupidtothinksomething about... 4 times.

Of course I'll be civil. :confused:

Aw that means he read it! :)

You called me an idiot four times, and an "idiot jackass" twice. You also called me the "f-word".
 
Zenien, facts have been presented before me that the attacks leveled against you are by some measure not without provocation.

Now, I truly understand how emotional debates can be when you believe so much in your conviction. But I must ask you and Fenrir to contain yourselves. Remarks such as "Ok stop giving him a *******, we get it" will only elicit similar responses.

I'm warning you, Zenien, please remain civil.

Thank you.
Well don't we have some godly verbiage here! A few steps away from "thou" "thine" and "vengeance is mine". I forgot how majestically and elegantly the mods here present themselves.

Weren't you the laid-back one, or was that Dog Lips?
 
It goes to show how low the Hype forums have sunk when this thread is the one with the most activity throughout the week. Fenrir and Zenien - grow the hell up, children. Honestly, I can't understand why don't the mods ban these senseless VS threads on these boards altogether considering they're nothing but asinine pissing contests with two uber nerds going at each other's throats with the rest of the dorks egging them on.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the appeal of any character and how interesting they are is based upon how well they are written and presented, not on the basis of some lame power quotient. I know Galactus can devour entire planets, but he is still a third-rate character compared to the likes of someone as human as V.

Guess what? Even if your favorite hero/villain loses, it doesn't take anything away from the actual integrity of the character itself. This is not kindergarten anymore. It's about time all the people in this argument grow a damn brain and realize that.
 
I don't think WHF is Fenrir, though he might be. He might be talking about something said earlier on.. who knows, I sure as hell am confused.
 
Phaser you're known around here for being an elitest who will engage people in long drawn out arguements over things. :o

You called me an idiot four times, and an "idiot jackass" twice. You also called me the "f-word".

Whu-wha? :huh:
 
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