Sandman Most Pointless Villian in SM3?

[Dragon]

sandman almost single handedly ruiend the film.

the flying thing. wow.

Sand does get blown around by wind. But this sand is sentient and can direct itself.

stiff acting by sandman's wife(?) and daughter. no development of this storyline.

What was supposed to happen? The storyline was layed out in minutes. Dying child. Bitter wife. And despite his power, Sandman can't save her. But the story is also open-ended.

killing ben parker. why put this in? it does nothing for the storyline.

It did something for Peter. The main character of the story, for whom things are supposed to happen.

the forgivness scene at the end. i wanted to gouge my eyes out.

Because? What's the problem with forgiveness?

The movie was indeed clunky in parts and I didn't like the MJ breaking up with Peter thing. That was truly stupid. But each of these films has had something truly stupid. And there have been more than a few films where almost the whole damn movie was stupid.

 

[Dragon]

... venom was only weak because he wasn't explained enough. Venom at least served a purpose that was original to him, and not rehashed like sandman's was. Venom was peter's dark side personified, his "mirror spidey" so to speak, he was the living view of the poison, the venom that will take you over and consume you.

Which wasn't necessary since Peter learned that lesson and disgarded the suit. he didn't need a "mirror image" in Venom. And Venom isn't his mirror image. There are no parallels between the characters other than their powers.

Sandman was just an over developed villain with a plot that did nothing but derail the film off track.

Sandman was the focus of Peter's wrongful anger. As Raimi said, Peter needed to learn that even though he's on the side of right most of the time, he doesn't have a monoploy on doing the right thing. He too can fail.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Sand does get blown around by wind. But this sand is sentient and can direct itself.


What was supposed to happen? The storyline was layed out in minutes. Dying child. Bitter wife. And despite his power, Sandman can't save her. But the story is also open-ended.



It did something for Peter. The main character of the story, for whom things are supposed to happen.



Because? What's the problem with forgiveness?

The movie was indeed clunky in parts and I didn't like the MJ breaking up with Peter thing. That was truly stupid. But each of these films has had something truly stupid. And there have been more than a few films where almost the whole damn movie was stupid.

- sorry, but the sand cloud was above cheesey... you can explain it all you want, but visually it was one of the cheesyist things in the film, o wow giant sand cloud! its even more ridiculous then galactus being an acid rain cloud. why not make him get around town through the sewers ? makes more sense.. or i dunno.. walk like he does in the comics? you can say he didn't want to get spotted by the police, but .... a giant ass sand cloud kinda does the trick

-it did nothing... and threw the movie off track, sandmans purpose was to forgive and about revenge and redemption... but o wait.. that was the same story for harry too.. lame.. and redundant, everyone shouldnt have the same story, it makes the movie boring. The forgiveness scene was very akward, because the only "personal" scene with sandman was the very begining.. after that, they never really focused on him again, so him after beating the hell out of spidey decided to say "oo im sorry i didnt want any of this...killing your uncle was an accident " and peter saying "its ok you didnt mean it, were cool" and then sandman blowing away like a sad sole who's going to roam the earth forever... funny how him being such a lame and ultimately most forgetable villain out of the 3 movies was the only one to live just because he's sam and tobeys "favorite villain" which is obvious the only reason they liked him was because of his powers. Any spidey fan knows sandman has always been a character with not much of a story.. infact.. its really hard to name one, let alone 2 great stories focusing on sandman alone.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Which wasn't necessary since Peter learned that lesson and disgarded the suit. he didn't need a "mirror image" in Venom. And Venom isn't his mirror image. There are no parallels between the characters other than their powers.

lol are you blind? there nothing but parellels and polar opposites.

Parallels:
-Photographers
-body type
-dates an actress/model (an MJ trait found in the movie gwen)
-when peter has the symbiote, peter is c0cky just like brock

Polar opposites:
-peters afraid to go after what he wants most, brock isn't
-peter has the girl/brock thinks he does, but essentially all it was was a hookup
-brock is outging/peter reserved

Brock became what peter feared he himself would become and what he feared about himself deep down inside.

Sandman was the focus of Peter's wrongful anger. As Raimi said, Peter needed to learn that even though he's on the side of right most of the time, he doesn't have a monoploy on doing the right thing. He too can fail.

yes, i understand that was the point they were trying to make, but Harry and Brock served that purpose as well.. infact sandman just started it.. harry made his hate much much stronger and brock just fueled it. Sanman could have easily been cut and not changed the main story line at all. Venom arguably could as well.. but then what becomes of the symbiote? now they could have saved venom for the next movie, but ultimately venom is needed, sandman was not

 

[frostygunna]

First of all i think all the 3 mini stories with Harry, Sandman and Venom were rushed but ill share some of my thoughts on some of the subjects mentioned in this thread.

As for Sandman just getting away at the end. I think Peter let him go because Harry was dying, not totally because of the whole "i forgive you" thing. He wanted to spend the last moments with his best friend instead of going to go catch a criminal. Peter couldn't just go, "stop sandman i am taking you to jail, but wait a few moments please while i go to my dying friend first".

As it was mentioned in this thread, Sandman is a criminal, but he is also human so he does feel guilty for what he did. But in no way would he just wait for Peter to go to his dying friend while he stood around playing in the sand. (Pun, boo ya)

Also, Sandman "accidentally" killed Ben Parker and technically Spider-man "accidentally" killed Harry's father. By "accidentally" i meant that was the least of their intentions but it happened. Theres your connection. One of the points of the movie was its never to late to chose do whats right and if Peter never forgave sandman he would still be out for revenge just like how Harry was. Peter was feeling the same way Harry did when he found out spider-man "killed" his father.

What purpose did sandman serve? he was peters choice to do whats right and overcome the "darkness" by forgiving him instead of seeking revenge.

This movie was about doing whats right which is why i think its a good conclusion to this part of the spider-man story. Hopefully the next 3 movies tell another chapter and i look forward to it.

Edit - The poster a couple posts above mentioned having the two of the same story makes a film boring. Well, they weren't technically the same. It showed how a hero like Spider-man can even react the same way with revenge and hate like a villain (Harry) to the same situation. Also, how a villain like Harry can redeem himself and do whats right in the end like a hero like Spider-man would normally do.

 

[Dragon]

- sorry, but the sand cloud was above cheesey... you can explain it all you want, but visually it was one of the cheesyist things in the film, o wow giant sand cloud! its even more ridiculous then galactus being an acid rain cloud.

I didn't think it was cheesy. I thought it was actually kind of clever. And for bystanders, pretty damn scary.

why not make him get around town through the sewers ? makes more sense..

You mean the place where there's water? The thing that weakens him? this makes sense how?

or i dunno.. walk like he does in the comics?

Except that the flying is faster than walking.

you can say he didn't want to get spotted by the police, but .... a giant ass sand cloud kinda does the trick

He clearly wasn't worried about being spotted since they couldn't hurt him anyway. It was mostly for speed I think.

-it did nothing... and threw the movie off track, sandmans purpose was to forgive and about revenge and redemption... but o wait.. that was the same story for harry too.. lame.. and redundant, everyone shouldnt have the same story, it makes the movie boring.

I didn't find it boring at all. And Peter needed to see Harry's forgiveness to realize that he himself has done things that are wrong, and that he needs to learn to forgive. Everything in these stories revolves around PETER. At first, Peter might have dismissed Harry's lesson- since in that case, Harry was wrong. Peter didn't kill Norman. But- Peter had to learn that even though he was right- Marko did kill Ben, revenge is still wrong. Stopping the criminals is his job. Not executing them. It's a deeper lesson than Harry's. So it isn't the same.

The forgiveness scene was very akward, because the only "personal" scene with sandman was the very begining.. after that, they never really focused on him again, so him after beating the hell out of spidey decided to say "oo im sorry i didnt want any of this...killing your uncle was an accident " and peter saying "its ok you didnt mean it, were cool" and then sandman blowing away like a sad sole who's going to roam the earth forever...

So what more were they supposed to show with Sandman? A scene with him visiting a doctor? Him apologizing to his daughter again? They didn't need to show this, because- Sandman isn't the star of the movie. How many scenes did they show with Ock or the Goblin once their motivations were established?

As for the ending- Marko- LIKE PETER- realized that he was going too far. He too was fueled by his rage- but found himself in the end, remebering what it was all about. Saving his daughter, not killing Spider-Man. Since redundancy is your concern, another villain who's a killer that wn't stop until he's dead is definitely redundant.

funny how him being such a lame and ultimately most forgetable villain out of the 3 movies was the only one to live just because he's sam and tobeys "favorite villain" which is obvious the only reason they liked him was because of his powers. Any spidey fan knows sandman has always been a character with not much of a story.. infact.. its really hard to name one, let alone 2 great stories focusing on sandman alone.

Which is why I suppose Raimi decided to give him some backstory. And I can think of several excellent Sandman stories.

ASM #18- Spidey chickens out fighting Sandman out of fear of leaving May alone.
FF#61- Sandman using the suit developed by the wizard kicks the crap out of the FF.
Hulk #138- Sandman, wanting revenge on the Hulk for his hand being crystallized ends up turning Betty Ross into glass.
Marvel team-Up #1- Sandman fights off Spidey and the torch in order to spend Christmas with his mother.
PPSM#56-57- Sandman deals with questions of his identity both mentally and physically.

And Venom sure as hell doesn't have many good stories.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

First of all i think all the 3 mini stories with Harry, Sandman and Venom were rushed but ill share some of my thoughts on some of the subjects mentioned in this thread.

As for Sandman just getting away at the end. I think Peter let him go because Harry was dying, not totally because of the whole "i forgive you" thing. He wanted to spend the last moments with his best friend instead of going to go catch a criminal. Peter couldn't just go, "stop sandman i am taking you to jail, but wait a few moments please while i go to my dying friend first".

As it was mentioned in this thread, Sandman is a criminal, but he is also human so he does feel guilty for what he did. But in no way would he just wait for Peter to go to his dying friend while he stood around playing in the sand. (Pun, boo ya)

Also, Sandman "accidentally" killed Ben Parker and technically Spider-man "accidentally" killed Harry's father. By "accidentally" i meant that was the least of their intentions but it happened. Theres your connection. One of the points of the movie was its never to late to chose do whats right and if Peter never forgave sandman he would still be out for revenge just like how Harry was. Peter was feeling the same way Harry did when he found out spider-man "killed" his father.

What purpose did sandman serve? he was peters choice to do whats right and overcome the "darkness" by forgiving him instead of seeking revenge.

This movie was about doing whats right which is why i think its a good conclusion to this part of the spider-man story. Hopefully the next 3 movies tell another chapter and i look forward to it.

again, everyone understand what they tried to use sandman for.. but they told the same story and did it just as effectively with brock and harry. if there intention was to make peter relate to sandman in that they both accidentally killed some one.. they would and should have made it a bit more obvious... like how they pretty much spell out everything else from peter saying it or flashbacks... it would have been much more effective if peter said he knows how he feels.. hell it should of been one of 2 ways...

-peter didn't accidentally kill norman, norman accidentally killed himself. The only person peter accidentally killed was the burglar. i think that would be a much more effective connection or... what would have been much better in my eyes would be that the burglar accidentally shot ben.. and marko blamed himself and was accused of it. that would indeed connect much better to peter blaming himself for normans death.

 

[Dragon]

lol are you blind? there nothing but parellels and polar opposites.

Parallels:
-Photographers
-body type
-dates an actress/model (an MJ trait found in the movie gwen)
-when peter has the symbiote, peter is c0cky just like brock

Well, I was referring to comic venom as opposed to movie Venom not being Peter's parallel. Which is why Raimi altered Venom to be Peter's mirror-image, and it was fine. But I guess you missed it. Eddie wasn't dating Gwen. She wasn't interested in him. So no parallel there.. And what's your gripe? You know of these other parallels because they showed them.

Polar opposites:
-peters afraid to go after what he wants most, brock isn't

Where was that? Peter stood up and demanded the job. But he obviously couldn't fulfill JJJ's requirement of showing Spidey committing a crime.

-peter has the girl/brock thinks he does, but essentially all it was was a hookup

There's no significance to this other than giving Brock a reason to hate Peter.

-brock is outging/peter reserved

Obviously not if Brock doesn't know the difference between a casual cup of coffee and a date.

Brock became what peter feared he himself would become and what he feared about himself deep down inside.

Right. And in this way Brock's purpose was served. there was nothing more needed with him.

yes, i understand that was the point they were trying to make, but Harry and Brock served that purpose as well.. infact sandman just started it.. harry made his hate much much stronger and brock just fueled it. Sanman could have easily been cut and not changed the main story line at all.

If there were no sandman, there'd be no rage in Peter to make him susceptible to the symbiote. So, no, the story wouldn't have been the same without him.

Venom arguably could as well.. but then what becomes of the symbiote? now they could have saved venom for the next movie, but ultimately venom is needed, sandman was not

No, Venom isn't needed. Again, Peter learns how destructive the symbiote is and disposes of it. Venom is nothing more than a revenge plot with the re-use of the symbiote. Both of which are, as you say, redundant.

 

[shogunrua]

Pointless...no, very very very very underused, yeah for sure. I might not be the only one who felt that Spider man 3 is about Peter-MJ-Harry and nobody else, felt like both Sandman and Venom were thrown in this story, not feeting very well in the whole movie (it's just my opinion). As far as for Sandman (and the same applies for Venom in my opinion), forcing so many villains in one pictures (I think there clearly was material for both Spidey 3 and for in this movie) made that neither of the villains were enough developped, which for me brought some lines I found kind of corny ("I'm not a bad person, just had bad luck" the kind of line that too strongly wants to suggests that Flint he's a "villain by accident" but I was like "yeah whatever")...the subway fight was very intense (Spidey using some violent tricks (yeah one of the only scenes I felt I was seeing a dark spidey))...but I truly didn't understand the use of the sand-monster in the battle royale, I think he deserved a movie as the only villain, give him more screentime in order to develop Sandman in a villain the audience could better relate to (again just my opinion). For me his best scene was when he was trying to reform after the experience and that he's trying to grab his daughter's necklace, had more emotion than the last "let's all cry together scene (everyone in the theater including me laughed...)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I didn't think it was cheesy. I thought it was actually kind of clever. And for bystanders, pretty damn scary.



You mean the place where there's water? The thing that weakens him? this makes sense how?



Except that the flying is faster than walking.



He clearly wasn't worried about being spotted since they couldn't hurt him anyway. It was mostly for speed I think..

dude.. my audience was CRACKING UP and going WTF evertime he did that.. thats NEVER a good sign, maybe you just tolerate crap easier? i went to a midnight showing too and those are full of diehard fans. it looked like we were watching the mummy half the time.

I didn't find it boring at all. And Peter needed to see Harry's forgiveness to realize that he himself has done things that are wrong, and that he needs to learn to forgive. Everything in these stories revolves around PETER. At first, Peter might have dismissed Harry's lesson- since in that case, Harry was wrong. Peter didn't kill Norman. But- Peter had to learn that even though he was right- Marko did kill Ben, revenge is still wrong. Stopping the criminals is his job. Not executing them. It's a deeper lesson than Harry's. So it isn't the same.



So what more were they supposed to show with Sandman? A scene with him visiting a doctor? Him apologizing to his daughter again? They didn't need to show this, because- Sandman isn't the star of the movie. How many scenes did they show with Ock or the Goblin once their motivations were established?

As for the ending- Marko- LIKE PETER- realized that he was going too far. He too was fueled by his rage- but found himself in the end, remebering what it was all about. Saving his daughter, not killing Spider-Man. Since redundancy is your concern, another villain who's a killer that wn't stop until he's dead is definitely redundant.


Which is why I suppose Raimi decided to give him some backstory. And I can think of several excellent Sandman stories.

ASM #18- Spidey chickens out fighting Sandman out of fear of leaving May alone.
FF#61- Sandman using the suit developed by the wizard kicks the crap out of the FF.
Hulk #138- Sandman, wanting revenge on the Hulk for his hand being crystallized ends up turning Betty Ross into glass.
Marvel team-Up #1- Sandman fights off Spidey and the torch in order to spend Christmas with his mother.
PPSM#56-57- Sandman deals with questions of his identity both mentally and physically.

And Venom sure as hell doesn't have many good stories.

-did you watch spidey 1 and 2? there were MANY scenes with just ock and just the goblin for there character development... sandman only had 1, brock had none.

-dude, his change of heart was poorly executed, now if his daughter was there during the battle, like the supposed scene that was shot.. that would have been 100times more effective and meaningful..and dude.. ock ended up being a missunderstood man same as sandman in my book. and every villain ends up out to kill spidey.. thats just what happens.

-ASM18- lame.. he chickened out to take care of his ailing aunt.. what the hell does that have to do with sandman? thats a peter's loyalty toward may story

-ff#61, thats a FF story.. not a spidey story.. and it couldnt be used in a movie

-hulk#138 see above, plus only way that would work is if he wrapped himself around MJ and then caught himself on fire.. he would be turned to glass, he cant seperate himself from his own sand, thats what "killed" him originally in the comics when venom took a bite out of him.. he couldn't reform and was dying, honestly prob his only memorable story

-the x-mas story is tender, and gave him heart.. which is what they did in the movie

-his identity thing was pretty lame..

honestly the only other story that amused me, just because of how campy it was, was his hydro-man team up.. that was probably the most memorable sandman moment to me, but it was cheesey as hell

 

[spideyboy_1111]

double post

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, I was referring to comic venom as opposed to movie Venom not being Peter's parallel. Which is why Raimi altered Venom to be Peter's mirror-image, and it was fine. But I guess you missed it. Eddie wasn't dating Gwen. She wasn't interested in him. So no parallel there.. And what's your gripe? You know of these other parallels because they showed them..

i guess you missed where i said peter got the girl and eddie didnt.. and yes.. i know these parallels BECAUSE THEY SHOWED THEM... lol thats the point.

Where was that? Peter stood up and demanded the job. But he obviously couldn't fulfill JJJ's requirement of showing Spidey committing a crime..

peter always has given up to easily in the movies, for christ sake he didnt even go after MJ to know why, peter is always stepped over he only has confidence when he's behind a mask

There's no significance to this other than giving Brock a reason to hate Peter..

Obviously not if Brock doesn't know the difference between a casual cup of coffee and a date..

brock is outgoing, hell if anything peter would have thought the same thing, brock though walks with confidence, he thinks hes a hot shot, peter thinks hes a failure (well least pre spidey 3 peter)

Right. And in this way Brock's purpose was served. there was nothing more needed with him. .

no.. physcilly fighting his inner demons was venoms purpose. rather then it just being psychological

If there were no sandman, there'd be no rage in Peter to make him susceptible to the symbiote. So, no, the story wouldn't have been the same without him..



No, Venom isn't needed. Again, Peter learns how destructive the symbiote is and disposes of it. Venom is nothing more than a revenge plot with the re-use of the symbiote. Both of which are, as you say, redundant.

umm really? dude.. i guess the things harry and brock did would just simply give him a head ache...

 

[dark_b]

ok lets make things clear. sandman didnt want to kill ben. but he did. ok he made a mistake. but thats the guy that after that fights everyone. its not like sandman runs away all the time and spiderman is chasing him. sandman wanted to fight spiderman. in the battle royal sandman was evil as you cna get. eveil because he wants to fiught everyone just because he wants.
and than at the end after all the fightining he says sorry and peter lets him go?
ok maybe in a cartoon .

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Pointless...no, very very very very underused, yeah for sure. I might not be the only one who felt that Spider man 3 is about Peter-MJ-Harry and nobody else, felt like both Sandman and Venom were thrown in this story, not feeting very well in the whole movie (it's just my opinion). As far as for Sandman (and the same applies for Venom in my opinion), forcing so many villains in one pictures (I think there clearly was material for both Spidey 3 and for in this movie) made that neither of the villains were enough developped, which for me brought some lines I found kind of corny ("I'm not a bad person, just had bad luck" the kind of line that too strongly wants to suggests that Flint he's a "villain by accident" but I was like "yeah whatever")...the subway fight was very intense (Spidey using some violent tricks (yeah one of the only scenes I felt I was seeing a dark spidey))...but I truly didn't understand the use of the sand-monster in the battle royale, I think he deserved a movie as the only villain, give him more screentime in order to develop Sandman in a villain the audience could better relate to (again just my opinion). For me his best scene was when he was trying to reform after the experience and that he's trying to grab his daughter's necklace, had more emotion than the last "let's all cry together scene (everyone in the theater including me laughed...)

o ill agree with you 100%, its just if sandman was cut out, brock would have had more screen time and development, you didn't feel for brock at all.. hell show him actually struggling to live, not just throwing a prick fit and demanding god kill peter.

sandman just felt like a rehashed ock to me, giving heart to a villain who didnt really need it. i think sandman would have been much more effective if he was simply what he's always been, a brute. and no connection to peter, hell i'd be fine even with him having a heart, struggling to save his daughter, but the uncle been part just kinda dragged it down.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

ok lets make things clear. sandman didnt want to kill ben. but he did. ok he made a mistake. but thats the guy that after that fights everyone. its not like sandman runs away all the time and spiderman is chasing him. sandman wanted to fight spiderman. in the battle royal sandman was evil as you cna get. eveil because he wants to fiught everyone just because he wants.
and than at the end after all the fightining he says sorry and peter lets him go?
ok maybe in a cartoon .

i agree.. it just didnt flow well. if he really wanted the money and he didnt want to kill and felt all that guilt, then why the hell suddenly want to kill spider-man during the teamup? it was stupid. there was not one good reason for his change of heart to randomly just happen, its what made the scene very akward

 

[sylabdul]

it felt like all the villains cancelled eachother out as far as development, the went through each step for Eddie Brock and it STILL felt rushed....wow......Sandman was eyecandy, just face it, dont care about his story, they tried to flesh him out by throwin in his fam in the beggining and the uncle ben story(a real shame..)....Venom wouldve been the real real payoff, but his development time was taken by the infamous 'bad/happier Peter' or whateva they call that lol and the train wreck relationship between two idiots.....oh, then Harry, we waste time of character development by giving him AMNESIA!!!!! so they spent more time on a guy we KNEW for 3movies now and shortchanged us on two new potentially awesome ones...ok so the main villian shouldve been Harry, but then what would they do with the horrible dialouge and horrid second fight scene with him and Peter? and we wouldve saw him do the twist AND the mash potato???

 

[spideyboy_1111]

it felt like all the villains cancelled eachother out as far as development, the went through each step for Eddie Brock and it STILL felt rushed....wow......Sandman was eyecandy, just face it, dont care about his story, they tried to flesh him out by throwin in his fam in the beggining and the uncle ben story(a real shame..)....Venom wouldve been the real real payoff, but his development time was taken by the infamous 'bad/happier Peter' or whateva they call that lol and the train wreck relationship between two idiots.....oh, then Harry, we waste time of character development by giving him AMNESIA!!!!! so they spent more time on a guy we KNEW for 3movies now and shortchanged us on two new potentially awesome ones...

again, agreed. sandman was purely there for visuals, the movie would have been stronger without him. His plots just felt like we were watching another movie.

but i don't agree with the amnesia part with harry, i actually liked that, both norman and harry had similar moments in the comics, it also provided some very nice moments and character build up to truely make you feel the friendship between the 3 of them and made his death more meaningful.. i loved the scene with mj and harry dancing the twist

 

[sylabdul]

i agree.. it just didnt flow well. if he really wanted the money and he didnt want to kill and felt all that guilt, then why the hell suddenly want to kill spider-man during the teamup? it was stupid. there was not one good reason for his change of heart to randomly just happen, its what made the scene very akward

bad script + bad acting.....

 

[Sloth7d]

I feel Venom was the most pointless. He didn't have enough time to torture Spider-man Venom style. He should have been saved for SM4. He was sorta crammed in at the last minute, which didn't work that well for me.
I liked Sandman as the villain and his back story in the movie. But I feel he should have remained dead after the whole sewer part. Harry also should have remained dead or temporarily crippled after the the mansion fight. Wasn't feelin the whole Spider-man/goblin team up. And especially why it happened with the butler.Which was the most ******ed part. Though I still liked the movie alot, I no longer think they should do a SM4. Not after the way they ended this one.

 

[sylabdul]

again, agreed. sandman was purely there for visuals, the movie would have been stronger without him. His plots just felt like we were watching another movie.

but i don't agree with the amnesia part with harry, i actually liked that, both norman and harry had similar moments in the comics, it also provided some very nice moments and character build up to truely make you feel the friendship between the 3 of them and made his death more meaningful.. i loved the scene with mj and harry dancing the twist

yea, i dont mind the amnesia only if Harry was the main villian.....Sam had tooooo much on his plate, he just has to admit it, couldnt juggle all this......so Sandman shouldve been cut, but he had most of the moneyshots! lol two different movies spliced and diced together, i agree....but yea Harry's story wouldve worked if it was fleshed out and focused on, not just thrown in like it was....so hmmm yea Sandman was the most meaningless

 

[Sloth7d]

i agree.. it just didnt flow well. if he really wanted the money and he didnt want to kill and felt all that guilt, then why the hell suddenly want to kill spider-man during the teamup? it was stupid. there was not one good reason for his change of heart to randomly just happen, its what made the scene very akward

Actually it made perfect sense. Spider-man kept stopping him from getting the money. So he felt Spider-man alive=daughter dead. Simple. And almost killing him in the sewer was probably the cherry on top.

 

[AnyPiKa]

Ha.
Actually, I liked the plot story with Sandman .
I mean, do we seriously need a villain that's destroying NY because he's pure evil ?
Right.

And like somebody said, he was eyecandyt:
I couldn't believe my eyes, it was so awesomet: .
Now I know where all that money went.
LOL.

As for the Ben-killer thingy, it's a pattern in Spidey movies;
the villain just has to have a personal connection with Spidey.
I got used to it .

Overall, Angie loved him to bits.
But that's just my opinion.



Angie**​

 

[spideyboy_1111]

bad script + bad acting.....

not bad acting, church did a great job with what he was given. it was just the script and not enough focus on him. he also just simply didnt fit as well as everyone else into the main story

 

[Dragon]

dude.. my audience was CRACKING UP and going WTF evertime he did that.. thats NEVER a good sign, maybe you just tolerate crap easier? i went to a midnight showing too and those are full of diehard fans. it looked like we were watching the mummy half the time.

Sandman was FAR cooler than the Mummy, whose powers were about much more than Sand, anyway. And maybe that's just the point. Diehard fans simply were surprised to see him using a power that he didn't in the comics. But it isn't like it's not possible for him to utilize that power. And no one in my audience laughed. So, maybe you and the folks you went with are just unimaginative and closed minded.

-did you watch spidey 1 and 2? there were MANY scenes with just ock and just the goblin for there character development... sandman only had 1, brock had none.

How silly. Brock and Sandman's stories were clearly exlapined. And many of the Goblin and Ock's scenes were about them executing their grand schemes, of which Sandman- didn't have one. He wanted to save his daughter. That's it. And that was abundantly clear.

-dude, his change of heart was poorly executed, now if his daughter was there during the battle, like the supposed scene that was shot.. that would have been 100times more effective and meaningful..and dude..

He didn't have a change of heart. He simply regained himself. "I'm not a bad person- I've just had bad luck". And note- as Brock said- Sandman believed Spidey was PREVENTING him from savng his daughter. So Marko was mostly after Spidey to get him out of the way.

ock ended up being a missunderstood man same as sandman in my book. and every villain ends up out to kill spidey.. thats just what happens.

Sandman and Ock were doing the same thing for different reasons. Ock wanted to continue an experiment. Marko wanted to save a life. And no- Ock wasn't out to kill Spidey. Ock didn't give a damn about Spidey unless he was in Ock's way.

-ASM18- lame.. he chickened out to take care of his ailing aunt.. what the hell does that have to do with sandman? thats a peter's loyalty toward may story

So is The Master Planner- which is still credited as a great Ock story.

-ff#61, thats a FF story.. not a spidey story.. and it couldnt be used in a movie

Who cares? It was an excellent story featuring a solo sandman, which is what you said didn't exist.

-hulk#138 see above, plus only way that would work is if he wrapped himself around MJ and then caught himself on fire.. he would be turned to glass, he cant seperate himself from his own sand, thats what "killed" him originally in the comics when venom took a bite out of him.. he couldn't reform and was dying, honestly prob his only memorable story

-the x-mas story is tender, and gave him heart.. which is what they did in the movie

-his identity thing was pretty lame..

Okay- if your only point here is finding a story that could be translated to film, it didn't happen with Ock or the Goblin either. There were some elements from the comics, but none were direct translations.

honestly the only other story that amused me, just because of how campy it was, was his hydro-man team up.. that was probably the most memorable sandman moment to me, but it was cheesey as hell

That story was garbage, and degenerated into nothing more than a King Kong rip-off.

 

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I feel Venom was the most pointless. He didn't have enough time to torture Spider-man Venom style. He should have been saved for SM4. He was sorta crammed in at the last minute, which didn't work that well for me.
I liked Sandman as the villain and his back story in the movie. But I feel he should have remained dead after the whole sewer part. Harry also should have remained dead or temporarily crippled after the the mansion fight. Wasn't feelin the whole Spider-man/goblin team up. And especially why it happened with the butler.Which was the most ******ed part. Though I still liked the movie alot, I no longer think they should do a SM4. Not after the way they ended this one.

the spider-man goblin team up i thought was great, it added to there friendship and was also a nod to the comics when they actually did team up and why couldnt they make a 4? i for one would love to see the fourth movie open with a scene like this...

the screens black:
MJ in a laughing/flurtatious voice: "peter, whats the surprise? where are we?"

Peter- "just a second MJ, ok now, open your eyes"

the darkness opens to a very hight up shot of a panaramic view of NYC around sunset, and the camera pans out to show them at the very tip top of the empire state building

MJ- "peter oh my gosh, this is so beautiful, its like were completely free up here"

Peter (maskless in his spidey suit) get's down on one knee while MJ is taking in the sky line

MJ "peter..." she notices what hes about to do

Peter "MJ, will you marry me? i wanted to do this a while ago... i mean i tried but..."

MJ smiles and looks off at the sky line.. next thing you know, she jumps. Peter freaks out and dives down and catches her

peter- "mj are you crazy? why did you do tha.."

MJ kisses peter

MJ- "because your always there to catch me whenever i fall, tiger, of course i'll marry you"


that would be the most perfect purposal and very true to peter and MJ romance. the movie would end with the wedding..