Santa Claus, a false idol

[The Squirrel]

Anyways, Santa is not a false idol. Even if you believe in him, you are not usually worshiping him.

 

[The Senator]

Well I don't even believe that, so that's not relevant. God didn't just snap his finger. He took his time. It definitely didn't happen in our concept of time of seven literal days.

Okay. Then do you have a scientific report you can post here which proves that God created us over time?

And animals and plants can change over time, adapt to environment and such. But this doesn't prove evolution.

It doesn't prove evolution, but evolution still explains these occurrences. Hence why evolution is taught as a scientific theory in science classes.

 

[chaseter]

I know that. But do "they" know?

We had a common ancestor but who is to say that when we were created from the sand, it wasn't from a single cell organism that came to be an animal that then forked off into human and apes all the while being under the control of an intelligent force? Nothing in the Bible contradicts that and it also is parallel with current scientific theories.

 

[huskerwebhead]

I know that. But do "they" know?

Yes, "they" do. Evolution doesn't state that man evolved "from" monkeys but that we have a common ancestor. Common misconception.

 

[Shemtov]

The federal government is not supposed to endorse a religion. By placing the Ten Commandments in front of a courthouse, the government is essentially endorsing Judeo-Christian principles and therefore is going against the First Amendment in the Constitution, as well as several Supreme Court rulings which have upheld that clause.



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i also think that christmas should not be a national holiday. or if it is passover should be one too.

 

[chaseter]

Anyways, Santa is not a false idol. Even if you believe in him, you are not usually worshiping him.

In today's crazy world...I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Santa Claus cultt:

 

[The Apatow Crew]

You as Santa Claus would be the ultimate creepy

Come and sit on santa's lap and tell me if you've been a good little boy.

 

[chaseter]

Come and sit on santa's lap and tell me if you've been a good little boy.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

 

[Shemtov]

Jesus probably wasn't even born in 4 B.C.E

fixed.
he was born a hundred years before.

 

[chaseter]

What??? Franklin changed my post as a joke...I said he probably wasn't even born on December 25th...

 

[The Apatow Crew]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

Is that creepy enough or too much?

 

[Shemtov]

What??? Franklin changed my post as a joke...I said he probably wasn't even born on December 25th...

jesus was born in 160 B.C.E.. its a fact.

 

[chaseter]

jesus was born in 160 B.C.E.. its a fact.

Does that have anything to do with me saying December 25th

 

[The Apatow Crew]

The Truth About Santa is Revealed!
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[SuBe]

jesus was born in 160 B.C.E.. its a fact.

Please, please, please show me where this is written as Fact.

And don't show me "The Da Vinci Code" either. There is no way to know when Jesus was born. Only around when, and he was probably born "Around" 6 BC - 6 AD, this can be gathered from ROMAN Historical Documents from the Census taken around those dates.

 

[Silk Spectre]

three pages and moviefan has not chimed in yet, something must be wrong.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

First off this thread is directed at people who believe in God. If you want a debate about the existence of God, then take it to another thread. I believe one already exists.

Jolly ol St Nick is admired and adored by kids all over the world. Santa has God like powers, delivering gifts all over the globe in a matter of hours, while gaining access to peoples homes without a problem. Santa even appears God-like fashion(minus the fat).

Ex. 20:5, "Don't worship nor serve them, any of man's created God-like idols or gods,"

The praise of Santa even takes away what Christmas is all about-The birthday of Jesus.

So do people here who believe in God think Santa should be phased out? Because he is false idol

I don't believe that the legend of Santa Claus qualifies as idolatry, because it has a factual basis (the life of Nicholas of Myra, a 4th-century bishop and saint from what is now modern-day Turkey). If I ever had kids, I'd teach them that Santa is a symbol for the joy of Christmas, and I'd tell them the history of Nicholas.

 

[Obi-Ron]

LOL, feel better Spectre?

 

[chaseter]

three pages and moviefan has not chimed in yet, something must be wrong.

HAHA right after your postt: Classic

 

[Moviefan2k4]

three pages and moviefan has not chimed in yet, something must be wrong.

Seek and ye shall find!

 

[BlueLightning]

The Truth About Santa is Revealed!

Hahaha. Funny.t:

 

[Ziggyman]

Santa's not a fake idol...He's just a depiction of how it is more important to give than to receive...

 

[Lighthouse]

With all due respect, all characters that people adore are false idols in a loose sense. So the notion is flawed.

Santa Claus a false idol? He's only admired during Christmas. Superman? World wide, people have media based on him and outfits designed to allow people to dress like him.

Harry Potter? A kid commited suicide because they told the ending of a stupid book. Sure the kid was probably disturbed anyway, but that's what sent him over the edge. And no one can attempt to say that Harry Potter wasn't important to him.

World of Warcraft? Didn't some kid in Korea commit suicide because his character got deleted? And if not, look at how much real world money, time and life is wasted on a video game.

And what about Corporations and marketing? Nike, Coca-Cola, Adidas, Old Navy, Wal-Mart, Express, Guess, Arden B., etc...These places charge ridiculous amounts of money and get away with it because consumers are consumer ****es. They let these conglomarates turn them into slaves.

No, sir. Santa Claus is no idol in comparison.

Superman's okay though, cause Supes and the JC are tight.

 

[BestGirl]

"In science the word theory is not a synonym of "fact". For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet but we invoke theories of gravity to explain this occurrence. However, even inside the sciences the word theory picks out several different concepts dependent on the context. In casual speech scientists don't use the term theory in a particularly precise fashion, allowing historical accidents to determine whether a given body of scientific work is called a theory, law, principle or something else. For instance Einstein's relativity is usually called "the theory of relativity" while Newton's theory of gravity often is called "the law of gravity." In this kind of casual use by scientists the word theory can be used flexibly to refer to whatever kind of explanation or prediction is being examined. It is for this instance that a scientific theory is a claim based on a body of evidence."

I am just asking what the evidence is, cause last time I checked, we hadn't discovered monkey-man yet.

Several fossils have been found of creatures like australopithecines and Orrorin tugenensis that show characteristics of both humans and apes. I encourage you to read about early hominid history. I find it fascinating.

Well I don't even believe that, so that's not relevant. God didn't just snap his finger. He took his time. It definitely didn't happen in our concept of time of seven literal days.

It sounds like you're not a strict creationist. Regardless, what you believe can't be proven scientifically and therefore doesn't belong in a science class. Evolution has some fossils to back it up; where's creationism's evidence? I went to Catholic school, and we learned about the Bible in religion class and a bit about evolution in biology class. I don't know why some people have a problem with this.

And animals and plants can change over time, adapt to environment and such. But this doesn't prove evolution.

I think this is called microevolution. Macroevolution, which you dispute, simply "is thought of as the compounded effects of microevolution." Here's the Wiki article on the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution

jesus was born in 160 B.C.E.. its a fact.

I have no idea where you got that. Jesus is supposed to have been about two when King Herod died, and Herod died in 4 BCE. That would make Jesus born around 7-6 BCE. Furthermore, Jesus was put to death by the order of the Emperor, and the first emperor only began to rule in Rome in 27 BCE.

 

[Leenie]

I don't think the believe in Santa is believing in a false idol as nobody is praising or worshiping him really He's a guy that brings kids presents. It is sad that some Christians think more about the presents than the birth of little baby Jesus.

^This.

When I was little, I believed in Santa Claus ... But my parents always told my brothers and I that Christmas is about the celebration of the birth of Christ.

Also, technically, St. Nick was a real person. And since I'm Catholic, I don't see anything wrong with celebrating a Saint.