The Dark Knight Scarecrow

[Drummerdude7]

That's been done in Begins. I would like to see some sort of jailbreak if we're going to see anything like that. I know it isn't Nolan's take, but I would like to see a comic book-esque theme start in future Batman franchises where the villain escapes from jail and terrorizes Gotham, not simply these first appearance/ origin stories we always seem to get. For example, how cool would it be if the Riddler escaped from jail in the third movie and fought alongside scarecrow or something. No need to waste 35 mins. explaining how Riddler came to be. For those familiar with him, it'll be a treat, for the small population of Americans who aren't steeped in at least some Batman lore, it'll be some villain who escaped from jail. Start there. we don't need to see Ed Nigma ramble on for 35 mins. before he starts menacing Gotham. Does anyone know what I mean?

Both Batman Forever and Batman and Robin did that.
Two-Face and Freeze didn't have much time spent on their origin....Two-Face's was only given a 5 second look, and the film started with him commiting a crime.
I agree with you though, it would be something different and interesting

 

[magus]

Well that is really what is being attempted with the Joker here, though I suppose you are implying a villain that is already in power as opposed to the film showcasing his rise to power. Something like that could work for the Penguin who is typically a behind-the-scenes villain or Scarface. It could also work for the Riddler if nobody knew who he was and there were just various crimes with riddles left as calling cards.

My main point being that nobody has seen him, but he already has an established presence through his crimes and riddles. That is a perfectly acceptable as I don't think every villain needs or should have an origin in the films. It soaks up too much time. One of the best things about TAS was the established rapport Batman had with some of the villains and the closest the films can ever get to that serialization is by skipping the origins of some villains.

 

[Joker'sHenchman]

Well that is really what is being attempted with the Joker here, though I suppose you are implying a villain that is already in power as opposed to the film showcasing his rise to power. Something like that could work for the Penguin who is typically a behind-the-scenes villain or Scarface. It could also work for the Riddler if nobody knew who he was and there were just various crimes with riddles left as calling cards.

My main point being that nobody has seen him, but he already has an established presence through his crimes and riddles. That is a perfectly acceptable as I don't think every villain needs or should have an origin in the films. It soaks up too much time. One of the best things about TAS was the established rapport Batman had with some of the villains and the closest the films can ever get to that serialization is by skipping the origins of some villains.

Yeah. You've got me dead on. That's exactly what I would like to see. Basically I am craving a new version of TAS style relationships.

 

[SalaciousVC]

Bigger pic of The New Scarecrow Figure

 

[Joker'sHenchman]

I kinda don't like that in these movies Scarecrow has been demoted to nuisance level only. Similarly I don't like that in the comics Joker has been demoted in the same way. But fear, oh fear Damion.

 

[Drummerdude7]

nuisance in what way?
He wasn't a nuisance in BB, and he had (imo) way too little screentime.

 

[branwen]

nuisance in what way?
He wasn't a nuisance in BB, and he had (imo) way too little screentime.

I completely agree. I mean at least for me, b/c Scarecrow is my fave character, after the Joker....

 

[Drummerdude7]

agree with what?
that he wasn't a nuisance, or that he had too little screentime?
=P

 

[branwen]

agree with what?
that he wasn't a nuisance, or that he had too little screentime?
=P

That he had too little screen time

 

[Drummerdude7]

unfortunatley it looks like TDK is going to repeat the trend =(
But in exchange i get joker and two-face so it's not so bad....but more screentime in BB would've been nice

 

[RoboAmish]

Yeah but it was the limited screentime that made his appearances all the more powerful and frightening

 

[Drummerdude7]

how so?

 

[RoboAmish]

Because if he kept popping out in "Scarecrow mode" every 2 seconds, he'd simply not make the same impact. It's like horror movies, where the monster hides in the shadows and is only revealed a few times- it gives those limited scenes much more impact and heightens tension (I would cite Jaws). Scarecrow in this respect, hid in the shadows and built tension while Crane and came out in full force a handful of times as the Scarecrow and believe me, as with most, those appearances stayed in my mind long after the movie ended. One of the reasons for this was probably because there were so few. Nolan's a smart guy- I'm pretty sure he gave Scarecrow limited screentime for a reason

Just my opinion.

 

[Nightmare]

Bigger pic of The New Scarecrow Figure

Someone should do put a side by side with this one and the old BB one.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Because if he kept popping out in "Scarecrow mode" every 2 seconds, he'd simply not make the same impact. It's like horror movies, where the monster hides in the shadows and is only revealed a few times- it gives those limited scenes much more impact and heightens tension (I would cite Jaws). Scarecrow in this respect, hid in the shadows and built tension while Crane and came out in full force a handful of times as the Scarecrow and believe me, as with most, those appearances stayed in my mind long after the movie ended. One of the reasons for this was probably because there were so few. Nolan's a smart guy- I'm pretty sure he gave Scarecrow limited screentime for a reason

Just my opinion.

Fair point sir.
However I believe they could've put a bit more of him in the film. While those jarry scenes of him vs. Batman were quite cool (i am referring to the scene where batman first gets gassed in the apartment), the scene lasted for about 30 seconds, which kind of disappointed me. The confrontation at the warehouse lasted for a short time too. It just seemed to quick for me. The impact and tension was still there of course, and I love the way scarecrow was presented. The duration in which it lasted was just a bit short for me.

But i get what you're saying

 

[RoboAmish]

Fair point sir.
However I believe they could've put a bit more of him in the film. While those jarry scenes of him vs. Batman were quite cool (i am referring to the scene where batman first gets gassed in the apartment), the scene lasted for about 30 seconds, which kind of disappointed me. The confrontation at the warehouse lasted for a short time too. It just seemed to quick for me. The impact and tension was still there of course, and I love the way scarecrow was presented. The duration in which it lasted was just a bit short for me.

But i get what you're saying

and I get what you're saying

Sometimes those scenes were indeed too brief and you hardly had time to savour it before it ended. I do feel the whole "less is more" policy worked but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't have appreciated those scenes lasting a bit longer. I do recall being slightly disappointed with them at first though- it was only after repeated viewing that I grew to understands Nolan's tactics.

And I certainly wouldn't say no to a prolounged fear gas sequence involving the good doctor in TDK

 

[Drummerdude7]

haha everyone does
and that "everyone" also wants him offed by the joker
I don't want scarecrow dead!!!! There's always room for opportunity if you let a villain like scarecrow live, even though there's slim chance he will be in another film.

 

[RoboAmish]

I'd too like them to keep him around so there's always the possibility of his return (and just a nod to the comics- of his villains just being locked away as opposed to killed off) but I do feel The Joker murdering him is the more likely outcome unfortunately.

 

[branwen]

I'd too like them to keep him around so there's always the possibility of his return (and just a nod to the comics- of his villains just being locked away as opposed to killed off) but I do feel The Joker murdering him is the more likely outcome unfortunately.

Well I don't know, I mean I keep hearing how Nolan and Co. dislike it when characters are killed off in comic-based movies, so I'm hoping that Scarecrow isn't killed off in TDK but perhaps is made an inmate of Arkham instead (gotta love the irony there). In fact, my hopes are that both Scarecrow AND Joker are sent to Arkham, in the end. t:

 

[Drummerdude7]

I'd too like them to keep him around so there's always the possibility of his return (and just a nod to the comics- of his villains just being locked away as opposed to killed off) but I do feel The Joker murdering him is the more likely outcome unfortunately.

I personally believe that he'll be arrested by Batman after the parking lot confrontation......but i'll just be keeping my fingers crossed that Scarecrow makes it out of this film alive.

 

[souvlaki]

That's been done in Begins. I would like to see some sort of jailbreak if we're going to see anything like that. I know it isn't Nolan's take, but I would like to see a comic book-esque theme start in future Batman franchises where the villain escapes from jail and terrorizes Gotham, not simply these first appearance/ origin stories we always seem to get. For example, how cool would it be if the Riddler escaped from jail in the third movie and fought alongside scarecrow or something. No need to waste 35 mins. explaining how Riddler came to be. For those familiar with him, it'll be a treat, for the small population of Americans who aren't steeped in at least some Batman lore, it'll be some villain who escaped from jail. Start there. we don't need to see Ed Nigma ramble on for 35 mins. before he starts menacing Gotham. Does anyone know what I mean?

Well, considering this is year one Batman, it makes sense that they tell the background stories for the characters, instead of having them simply break out of Arkham. And to be fair, they sort of already did this with Zsasz.

 

[Drummerdude7]

i love how they stuck zsasz in BB
pretty awesome =)

 

[batman497]

Was anyone else really anoyed with the explaination given for scarecrow's team up with ras in begins. The idea that he would believe ras would hold the city for ransom is just stupid. Why would crane care for that any way? I always thought the team up should have been so that crane could test the effects of his fear toxin on a large pool of people. He's supposed to be obsessed with fear and they do show parts where he seems that way. I just don't see his motivation.

 

[CaptainClown]

Was anyone else really anoyed with the explaination given for scarecrow's team up with ras in begins. The idea that he would believe ras would hold the city for ransom is just stupid. Why would crane care for that any way? I always thought the team up should have been so that crane could test the effects of his fear toxin on a large pool of people. He's supposed to be obsessed with fear and they do show parts where he seems that way. I just don't see his motivation.

He is obsessed with fear, but you need money to finance your programs. Also the league of shadows provided with material for him to create his weapon.

Crane is under the impression that he is an important figure in the equation. Crane also was testing the effects of fear on his asylum patients, him dosing Falcone was a great example of his sadistic behavior and since he keeps his mask on hand with him, I would say he shoots people up plenty of times.

While Crane does have a fetish for fear, he does have other wants. He doesn't do it just for the joy of making people scared, he does it for financial reasons. Remember the Batman The Animated Series where he rigs games by using the fear toxin on them? He did that for money

 

[chamber-music]

Good to see Cranes still rocking the mask in TDK