Scientology Kills

I JUST SPOKE WITH THE HEAD OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR YOUTUBE. AS IN THE ONE PERSON WE SHOULD BE TALKING TO. I'm not going to post his name here because I don't want him to get flooded with calls. The second receptionist I spoke to said that she would take care of me, and OH MY GOD she did.

I spoke with him for about 7 minutes and he told me things on and off the record. He said that he was aware of the situation personally, and was looking into it. He said that there are a lot of reasons why channels are pulled down. He then asked me a bunch of questions, most notably these three:

1) Why is this situation such a big deal? (A genuine concern)
2) What the video was/who owned the rights to it
3) What other videos were on the channel, and were they all owned by the user.

My answers were:
1) The reason it is such a big deal is because there are tons of news organizations both big (like FOX), and small (like no-name blogs), that have mentioned this video over the last couple days and if they plan to air something on this, their fact-checkers will get nowhere because the account has been suspended. He understood fully my argument. I also said that another reason it was a big deal is because this is the first celebrity to have spoken out against Scientology, and it was hosted specifically on this user account, because the account-holder was the one doing the interview.

2) I told him that the interview was conducted by the account-holder (as I said above), and that he owned the rights to it.

3) I told him that all the other videos on the site were either personal videos, or videos that the account-holder himself conducted.

Another thing we discussed was the fact that Mark Bunker was an Emmy award-winning journalist and that it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for him to personally do an interview that would be a terms of service violation.

We discussed a few other things off the record, and as such, I will not report those things. Rest assured, he is working on it.

tl;dr: EPIC WIN.

Also, the reason I was able to get this far is because I essentially wear a press hat, so there you go.

http://forums.enturbulation.org/15-breaking-news/statement-youtube-executive-re-xenutv1-9751/
 
I invented youtube. Then THEY took control and I am just stuck with cup-o-noodles and comedy central late night.
 
You should threaten to sue them like Scientology is doing :P

Tory Magoos' account was briefly suspended, yet now it's back up. Things be going on at Youtube/Google.
 
They'll probably just act akin to a hornets nest.
 
How can there possibly be people who hate scientologists this much? They're just a bunch of deluded fruitcakes like anyone else. It's not like they're declaring war on puppies or something. ****sake, people, get angry at the real bastards.
 
I know. It's so ridiculous.
Literally, the thread title, "Scientology Kills"...

Modern day Christianity has killed more people just in the small snake-handling churches of the South, with only two verses:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.."
Mark 16:17-18

and

"Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
Luke 10:19



...than Scientology has ever even been involved with.
(There are over 100 documented deaths from serpent bites in snake-handling churches. How many are associated with Scientology?)


...But they don't care.
Mainstream religion gets a free ride, mainly because the most currently dangerous religion, Islam, is made up predominantly of darker skinned people/ foreigners, so these cowards are afraid to be accused of racism.
It's socially acceptable to "bash" Scientologists, and make prejudicial statement about them, and their beliefs.

If I made this thread about Christianity, C.Lee would close it, with his mantra, "We need to respect everyone else's beliefs."
C. Lee isn't a Scientologist, so he doesn't give a mouse's patootie what you say about them.

It's disgusting.
 
This thread was intended to be devoid of, and has largely been successful in being devoid of bashing the actual beliefs of the religion, which is what got the old thread closed and what got your threads and tirades deleted previously. The title was purposefully sensationalist and despite repeated statements for a change in the thread title, has stayed the same, for some reason. Serpent bites are different from centralized fair game and using brain washing from Soviet Russian manuals. Like yes you can find similar instances in other religions, but not the the same concentration as Scientology, especially for its size. Couple that with the general ignorance that the public actually has about Scientology when compared to the insane parts of mainstream religions.

Anonymous has a saying.

"It's not your own personal army"

I'm sure there are plenty of people who share your contempt of all Religion. Seek them out and go be proactive or something if you feel that is really what you want to do.
 
Well to be honest you wouldn't so much need to make the thread about Christianity as much as the bat**** insane parts of it (same goes for islam ect). Since it seems that scientology has a lot of crazy things in comparison to that which is socially acceptable makes it a lot easier to protest that, then say the catholic church.
 
1. The this thread is devoid of bashing the actual religion
Utter nonsense. The TITLE says that the RELIGION KILLS...not some rogue MEMBER. "S.c.i.e.n.t.o.l.o.g.y.", not "i.s.t.s."
You're just going to outright lie now? :huh:




The title was purposefully sensationalist
You mean, like, a title an "attention ****e" would make? I see. Okay.


and despite repeated statements for a change in the thread title, has stayed the same, for some reason.
Have you asked a mod to change it and they refused? :huh:




3. Serpent bites are different from centralized fair game and using brain washing from Soviet Russian manuals. Like yes you can find similar instances in other religions, but not the the same concentration as Scientology, especially for its size.
Uh...are you aware that CHILDREN are taught that they will go to Hell unless they handle the snakes with "faith", from BIRTH...and will be disowned if they don't have the "faith" to handle venomous snakes.
Wrong. ALL religions brainwash their members, abuse their children and people die from their teachings.
Only some do it on a MASSIVELY greater scale, but it's not socially acceptable to attack them for it.

I'm honestly asking you because you've done the research and I have not.
Are there OVER 100 DOCUMENTED cases of deaths that resulted from Scientology brain-washing?...since, that's what you're upset about, right?
 
I'll give you an updated version. Stupid slow internet

This thread was intended to be devoid of, and has largely been successful in being devoid of bashing the actual beliefs of the religion, which is what got the old thread closed and what got your threads and tirades deleted previously. The title was purposefully sensationalist and despite repeated statements for a change in the thread title, has stayed the same, for some reason. Serpent bites are different from centralized fair game and using brain washing from Soviet Russian manuals. Like yes you can find similar instances in other religions, but not the the same concentration as Scientology, especially for its size. Couple that with the general ignorance that the public actually has about Scientology when compared to the insane parts of mainstream religions.

Anonymous has a saying.

"It's not your own personal army"

I'm sure there are plenty of people who share your contempt of all Religion. Seek them out and go be proactive or something if you feel that is really what you want to do.
 
I'm honestly asking you because you've done the research and I have not.
Are there OVER 100 DOCUMENTED cases of deaths that resulted from Scientology brain-washing?...since, that's what you're upset about, right?
 
Let's have this conversation when my internet isn't destroying the hype and posting out of date versions of what I typed. :o
 
This thread was intended to be devoid of, and has largely been successful in being devoid of bashing the actual beliefs of the religion
I've been watching it. It really hasn't been devoid of that at all. This thread promotes the existence of a hate group devoted to ending scientology. Is scientology wrong? Yes. Is scientology stupid? Certainly. Are scientologists being duped? Of course they are. But so is every one in this country, and by far greater threats than scientology. It's sad, really, how easily you play into the hands of the power elite by focusing on phantom threats.

Couple that with the general ignorance that the public actually has about Scientology when compared to the insane parts of mainstream religions.
You give me evidence that scientology is 1/10 of 1% as dangerous as the broader power structure and military-industrial complex. You can't. Such evidence doesn't exist.

Anonymous has a saying.
Anonymous is one of three things: 1) A bunch of internet nerds acting hard because they got one too many swirlies in high school; 2) A hate group; 3) A hoax set up by the scientologists to make themselves look better by comparison. Whichever one it is, you call your intelligence into question by aligning yourself with them.

It's sick. You Anonymous people talk just like the scientologists do.
 
Zenien said:
Let's have this conversation when my internet isn't destroying the hype and posting out of date versions of what I typed.

You could've just answered the simple question right there. :huh:...But...
I'm prepared to drop it for a while if you'll be honest about your motivations.

You're just sitting there.
You find out that people are being hurt by Scientology.
Then, you find out that people have even DIED while under the church's influence. :eek:
that's horrible.
So you take a shine to this...sudden, "movement"...:huh:...and make a thread entitled, "Scientology Kills".

So, we have over 100 documented cases of brainwashed people giving their lives because of the Biblical brainwashing in America's rural southern region.
Over 100.
So, you must be pretty upset about that...and want to get active!...and want to make a thread about it, now that you know, right?


Or...maybe there's a bigger concern. Maybe Scientology is even MORE dangerous than Christianity. :eek:
Is that the case?
Are there more than over 100 documented deaths connected with brainwashing based on the works of L.Ron Hubbard?
If so, then, I'd apologize and say, "Good job.", only....there are even more deaths and abuses in MAINSTREAM Christianity...the snake-handlers are only a tiny FRACTION of the "believers".


:huh:
 
I'll back Anonymous only if Scientology is the first step and they are working from the bottom on up against the religious cults and their ultimate goal is to have the Pope imprisoned (which is where he belongs). But if this is just some internet fad, which it looks to be, **** it then. I really, really don't hope they think Scientology is the worst of the worst. I really hope they don't honestly believe that, because if they do Anonymous is more brainwashed than the people they are trying to save from Scientology.
 
ALL religions brainwash their members, abuse their children and people die from their teachings.
That's quite simplistic. On the other hand, we probably owe modern civilization to religion. If you like modern civilization (which, on the whole, I don't) that's one debt you owe to organized religion. Worship provided a quick and easy way to organize early societies, and allowed them to become much more efficient. The agrarian revolution, which spawned civilization, was made much more possible by religion. The other key aspect of modern civilization that is probably derived from religion is the prevalent Western moral system. It probably comes from some of the earliest attempts by shamans at organizing and controlling societies.

Secular society gave us British colonialism, and religion gave us Gandhi. Secular society gave us Jim Crow, and religion gave us Martin Luther King, Medgar Evers, and Malcolm X. Secular society gave us greedy rich bastards and extreme poverty, and religion gave us social work.

To say that religion causes suffering and death is ludicrous. Religion has only ever been a pretext for those things. Humankind is to blame for its own failings. We are all the bad guys, not just the priests and shamans. Indeed, in the end, it's much more the fault of scientific progress than religion. Science has no moral compass, and it never has. Scientists deluded themselves a long time ago into thinking that discovery is its own reward, all the while inventing new technologies and theories that would inevitably all be used for war and oppression. Science was the method of the madness; religion was just the pretext for using it.

As for abusing and brainwashing children, I'll point you in the direction of Anabaptist Christians, who refuse to allow their children to join the church until they are of the age of reason. Anabaptist sects are pacifists. They believe in nonviolent resistance of governments. Many of them are on the run in Canada because they refused to pay war taxes. Many others are working actively and sustainably for peace and prosperity in third world countries. This is just one corner of Christianity, but it is Christianity nonetheless.
 
I'll back Anonymous only if Scientology is the first step and they are working from the bottom on up against the religious cults and their ultimate goal is to have the Pope imprisoned (which is where he belongs).
You have a lot of hate in you. Why? What has the Pope done to deserve jail time? What right do you have to tell people that their religions are wrong? What great knowledge have you discovered that makes you so certain? Son, the only thing you know for sure is that you are conscious. Anything else is conjecture. You do not know anything, and acting as if you do will always lead you to arrogance and destructive behaviors.
 
Among other things, the current Pope gave out orders to keep the priests abusing and molesting little kids a secret, to not let it out. Now think of it this way: if a CEO of a company, say a day care company where it's employees were molesting and abusing children, gave out an order like that and it was later found out he did, what would happen to him? He sure as hell wouldn't get a parade when he visits America, I can tell you that much. If you don't hate people like that and you question why others do, there's something wrong with you. It has nothing to do with being arrogant, it is a FACT the Pope did that. And he won't answer to any of it, ever.
 
Among other things, the current Pope gave out orders to keep the priests abusing and molesting little kids a secret, to not let it out.
Let's have some credible sourcing on that.

Gerald Root said:
Now think of it this way: if a CEO of a company gave out an order like that and it was later found out he did, what would happen to him?
Nothing. This is America.
 
So that excuses any wrong doing? Because of his title, he can do no wrong. That's horse****.
 
Excuse me, where's your sourcing on all of this again?
Maybe he's talking about this.

A BBC documentary has exposed that Pope Benedict XVI, aka Cardinal Ratzinger, played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests.

In 2001, while he was a cardinal, he issued a secret Vatican edict to Catholic bishops all over the world, instructing them to put the Church's interests ahead of child safety.

The document recommended that rather than reporting sexual abuse to the relevant legal authorities, bishops should encourage the victim, witnesses and perpetrator not to talk about it. And, to keep victims quiet, it threatened that if they repeat the allegations they would be excommunicated.

A secret document which sets out a procedure for dealing with child sex abuse scandals within the Catholic Church is examined by BBC documentary show Panorama.

Crimen Sollicitationis was enforced for 20 years by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger before he became the Pope.

It instructs bishops on how to deal with allegations of child abuse against priests and has been seen by few outsiders.

Critics say the document has been used to evade prosecution for sex crimes.

Crimen Sollicitationis was written in 1962 in Latin and given to Catholic bishops worldwide who are ordered to keep it locked away in the church safe.

It instructs them how to deal with priests who solicit sex from the confessional. It also deals with "any obscene external act ... with youths of either sex."

It imposes an oath of secrecy on the child victim, the priest dealing with the allegation and any witnesses.

Breaking that oath means excommunication from the Catholic Church.

Reporting for Panorama, Colm O'Gorman finds seven priests with child abuse allegations made against them living in and around the Vatican City.

One of the priests, Father Joseph Henn, has been indicted on 13 molestation charges brought by a grand jury in the United States.

During filming for Sex Crimes and the Vatican, Colm finds Father Henn is fighting extradition orders from inside the headquarters of this religious order in the Vatican.

The Vatican has not compelled him to return to America to face the charges against him.

After filming, Father Henn lost his fight against extradition but fled the headquarters and is believed to be hiding in Italy while there is an international warrant for his arrest.

Colm O'Gorman was raped by a Catholic priest in the diocese of Ferns in County Wexford in Ireland when he was 14 years old.

Father Fortune was charged with 66 counts of sexual, indecent assault and another serious sexual offence relating to eight boys but he committed suicide on the eve of his trial.

Colm started an investigation with the BBC in March 2002 which led to the resignation of Dr Brendan Comiskey, the bishop leading the Ferns Diocese.

Colm then pushed for a government inquiry which led to the Ferns Report.

It was published in October 2005 and found: "A culture of secrecy and fear of scandal that led bishops to place the interests of the Catholic Church ahead of the safety of children."

The Catholic Church has 50 million children in its worldwide congregation and no universal child protection policy although in the UK there is the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children & Vulnerable Adults.

In some countries this means that the Crimen Sollicitationis is the only policy followed.

The Vatican has refused repeated requests from Panorama to respond to any of the cases shown in the film.



Doesn't really matter though because papal involvement or not, it's a well known fact that priests have been caught and simply relocated instead of reported to the police. :huh:
 
Yes thank you Wilhelm, I didn't just make an accusation like that up. So I repeat my question to you Aristotle of basically what you are saying to me : Because of his title, he can do no wrong?
 

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