Scoops/spoilers: good or bad?

[Greens]

Yesterday, indiewire featured an article that talks about how "professional scoopers" like the much maligned El Mayimbe are ruining movies for everybody else these days:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...y-ruin-them-when-spoilers-go-too-far-20150813

More and more, however, it feels we’re reaching a tipping point. No longer do these nuggets and kernels of intel seem to be bubbling up somewhat organically as they had in the past. Rather, it feels a cottage industry exists that is simply devoted to digging this stuff up and sharing it.

The common defense from those scooping this information and putting it out there, is that they love these movies — but then why ruin them? What is the benefit as a Marvel fan to know exactly how their next film will play out months and months before it opens? Where is the joy in knowing every cameo in a superhero movie before it happens? Wouldn't those be better served as genuine surprises?

Indeed, that seems to be the driving force for many of these kinds of spoilers — bragging rights. Being able to say you were first on the beat to reveal a certain detail often feels like the primary motivation, with any thought toward the reasoning of why the information should be disseminated. Rather, because it can, seems to be enough for many.

These days, spoilers are inescapable even if you don't actively seek them out.

What is your opinion on this?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

There have been scientific studies done that show they actually enhance the enjoyment of the product. I love them personally. I eat up Marvel spoilers like a crackhead haha

 

[KevanG]

I ignore them mostly until the product is almost here anyway. If it's something I really want to see like the Deadpool movie or DoFP I stay away from anything but the most general of spoilers.

 

[Tanin]

Spoilers don't make me skip seeing films in theater.

 

[jokesonm3]

Posting rumors are one thing but posting spoilers are just mean

 

[KevanG]

I just don't like the high points of the movie explained before I see them.

 

[Greens]

Posting rumors are one thing but posting spoilers are just mean

Well, that's the thing. A few days ago, El Mayimbe tweeted something like "want to know who Peter Quill's father is? retweet and favorite!!"

I'm thinking... what is the benefit of this besides bragging rights and clicks? Willfully spoiling surprises is just a dick move, but that's how these people make a name for themselves.

 

[KevanG]

Or you could just look it up since he's an established character in the comics. El Maybe needs to figure this stuff out.

 

[ComicChick]

sometimes it's cool. sometimes i really don't like it.

for instance, i avoided the X-men forums whenever a movie was in the works because i wanted to go into it without any opinions or knowledge. someone spoiled a bit in first class for me telling me that Romijn and Jackman had small cameos. when those scenes played in theatres, i didn't get to experience the excitement of it that i heard on so many around me watching it, who did NOT know they'd be in it.

also likewise, someone spoiled for me that Rogue's scenes would be cut from DoFP and i was very upset about that. (the spoiling of it, not the scenes being cut)

and recently, i was one of many who was pretty not happy with the spoiling of Falcon showing up in Ant-Man

 

[Grommers]

In my younger years I appreciated spoilers/ scoops. As I grow older, I want too see less and less of the spoilers/ insider scoops.

Partially because knowing so much of it, doesn't get me excited anymore, it just is like "oh yeah there it is" when I see the film.


I understand both sides though...so I never knock someone for liking them, as I was once their.

 

[Greens]

Or you could just look it up since he's an established character in the comics. El Maybe needs to figure this stuff out.

I believe James Gunn said that his father is not who you think he is, hence the El Mayimbe "scoop".

 

[ComicChick]

In my younger years I appreciated spoilers/ scoops. As I grow older, I want too see less and less of the spoilers/ insider scoops.

Partially because knowing so much of it, doesn't get me excited anymore, it just is like "oh yeah there it is" when I see the film.


I understand both sides though...so I never knock someone for liking them, as I was once their.

i actually prefer promo things like the Hunger Games trilogy did. that was a fantastic ad campaign

 

[Greens]

In my younger years I appreciated spoilers/ scoops. As I grow older, I want too see less and less of the spoilers/ insider scoops.

Partially because knowing so much of it, doesn't get me excited anymore, it just is like "oh yeah there it is" when I see the film.

I've experienced that as well. For most movies, I now avoid the trailers online. I only watch trailers that are shown to me on the big screen. Exceptions are big event films like BvS and Star Wars VII. I avoided the trailers for Ant-Man as well.

I understand both sides though...so I never knock someone for liking them, as I was once their.

I don't want to knock those people either, but the tricky thing is that it's a win-lose situation right now. The people who don't mind spoilers are happy, but the people who don't like spoilers have things ruined for them. If these big spoilers didn't come out, nobody would lose and everyone would unravel the story at the same time, namely when the film actually comes out.

 

[jokesonm3]

Well, that's the thing. A few days ago, El Mayimbe tweeted something like "want to know who Peter Quill's father is? retweet and favorite!!"

I'm thinking... what is the benefit of this besides bragging rights and clicks? Willfully spoiling surprises is just a dick move, but that's how these people make a name for themselves.

Amen to that, he knows that's a scene best saved for the film as a surprise but still brags about spoiling it.

i guess since he was spoiled maybe he wants to spoil it for others

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Well, that's the thing. A few days ago, El Mayimbe tweeted something like "want to know who Peter Quill's father is? retweet and favorite!!"

I'm thinking... what is the benefit of this besides bragging rights and clicks? Willfully spoiling surprises is just a dick move, but that's how these people make a name for themselves.

This.

I don't want to knock those people either, but the tricky thing is that it's a win-lose situation right now. The people who don't mind spoilers are happy, but the people who don't like spoilers have things ruined for them. If these big spoilers didn't come out, nobody would lose and everyone would unravel the story at the same time, namely when the film actually comes out.

And this.

 

[Breogan]

Yesterday, indiewire featured an article that talks about how "professional scoopers" like the much maligned El Mayimbe are ruining movies for everybody else these days:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...y-ruin-them-when-spoilers-go-too-far-20150813



These days, spoilers are inescapable even if you don't actively seek them out.

What is your opinion on this?

Spoilers a pretty easy to avoid.
Most complaining about spoilers usually hang out and then complain in the very websites and threads that HYPE the movies they want to see.

You know how to avoid a spoiler, don't go to the sites, threads, and discussions, where the latest movies you want to see are often already or will become THE MAIN TOPIC LOL!
People want to be surrounded by the latest hype, then cry when they are spoiled.

 

[Greens]

Spoilers a pretty easy to avoid.
Most complaining about spoilers usually hang out and then complain in the very websites and threads that HYPE the movies they want to see.

You know how to avoid a spoiler, don't go to the sites, threads, and discussions, where the latest movies you want to see are often or will become THE MAIN TOPIC LOL!
People want to be surrounded by the latest hype, then cry when they are spoiled.

So, essentially the people who do like spoilers have free rein, and the people who don't want to know every plot thread beforehand should refrain from discussing the movie altogether? Avoid all social media and news websites until the movie is out?

 

[Breogan]

refrain from discussing the movie altogether?

Refrain from discussing? Poor baby, you make it sound like you have no self control or options.
This victim mentality from people who seek out the hype and discussion then cry when they saw and heard to much.
you haven't seen the movie, what are YOU seeking out and discussing. That is up to you.

 

[Greens]

Refrain from discussing? Poor baby, you make it sound like you have no self control or options.
This victim mentality from people who seek out the hype and discussion then cry when they saw and heard to much.
you haven't seen the movie, what are YOU seeking out and discussing. That is up to you.

That's like saying if you don't want to get sun burned, don't go outside. It's possible, but not very reasonable.

Anyway, that is not really the main point of the article. The point is that some people spoil movies for a living now. Digging through Hollywood and uncovering photos/plot points is what these people do, and the question is.. how does this help the viewer if at all?

 

[Victarion]

Depends on how the spoilers end up looking on screen. The last set I was really into were the TDKR ones. A scoop...I think it came from Harry Knowles website or Latino Review, one of the two, about Talia and the League of Shadows in the movie. It sounded bad on paper but I ended up enjoying the execution.

I have also heard of those studies on spoilers.

 

[ComicChick]

Spoilers a pretty easy to avoid.
Most complaining about spoilers usually hang out and then complain in the very websites and threads that HYPE the movies they want to see.

You know how to avoid a spoiler, don't go to the sites, threads, and discussions, where the latest movies you want to see are often already or will become THE MAIN TOPIC LOL!
People want to be surrounded by the latest hype, then cry when they are spoiled.

the ones i mentioned being spoiled about were not in places where those things are "the main topic"

 

[Greens]

Depends on how the spoilers end up looking on screen. The last set I was really into were the TDKR ones. A scoop...I think it came from Harry Knowles website or Latino Review, one of the two, about Talia and the League of Shadows in the movie. It sounded bad on paper but I ended up enjoying the execution.

I have also heard of those studies on spoilers.

The Talia "twist" was spoiled through set pics, too. Most of the time, set pics don't reveal that much about the plot, but that one was painfully obvious.

 

[Breogan]

That's like saying if you don't want to get sun burned, don't go outside. It's possible, but not very reasonable.

No, that's like standing in the sun all day, and complaining you got sunburned, or worse standing in the fire and complaining about heat.
You're actually on s Superhero MOVIE HYPE! site crying about getting movie spoilers. You don't even realize how ridiculous that is.

Anyway, that is not really the main point of the article. The point is that some people spoil movies for a living now. Digging through Hollywood and uncovering photos/plot points is what these people do, and the question is.. how does this help the viewer if at all?

The viewer? Most "viewers" don't live and breathe these sites, tweets and messages, and follow all the insane amount of crap that comes out about these movies before release.
That's just it, you're so deep imbedded in the fire you can't even remember that YOU walked in, that's why I have zero sympathy for you blaming the fire and crying that it's hot, when YOU walked into it.
You actually bring up El Mayimbe like he's some household name exposing "viewers" . You know how deep embedded in this crap you have to be to even know that name. to have even been exposed to that name?
Don't act as if f YOU didn't walk in , STOP CRYING and acting the victim and take some responsibility for YOUR actions.

 

[ComicChick]

well Mondragon, what's your take on this?

the is the Hype Forums, were there are subforums for fandom specific genres, characters etc. This thread was made in the community forum, that is NOT fandom or character specific. how do you feel about spoilers being posted here in various threads, or in subforums not pertaining to what the spoilers are about? if a person is in for example the Batman forums and someone spoiled something about Avengers 3 in there, is that their fault? or if someone posts spoilers (sans tags) in the lounge, etc

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Some people like spoilers, others don't.