Scorsese's The Irishman

For those that want the Marvel talk to go away, tell that to Scorsese and his friends. Francis Ford Coppola recently told Yahoo that Marvel movies are despicable. All of these comments are going to have unintended consequences.
First, Marvel is going to win more Oscars.
And secondly some behind the scenes professionals who worked on Marvel movies are going to start pushing back, because apparently their Marvel work all of a sudden doesn't count.
 
For those that want the Marvel talk to go away, tell that to Scorsese and his friends. Francis Ford Coppola recently told Yahoo that Marvel movies are despicable. All of these comments are going to have unintended consequences.
First, Marvel is going to win more Oscars.
And secondly some behind the scenes professionals who worked on Marvel movies are going to start pushing back, because apparently their Marvel work all of a sudden doesn't count.
Okay... does this matter? Is there a reason this is in the Irishman thread?

Maybe we should make a thread for those who are taking this so poorly. I mean, I disagree with him, have said so, but I also know we are talking about a 76 year old man, that has done so much for cinema and apparently his biggest crime is not liking Marvel movies. Okay.

If you think actual filmmakers are going to start coming from the greatest American film maker to ever live, I'd be more worried about them and their qualities.
 
How are their comments going to make Marvel win more Oscars, exactly?

What Scorsese is thinking most of the Academy members thinks too.
If we are being honest, most of Hollywood. I don't agree of course. But there is a reason why we get the idea that people turn their noise up at them. They see them as platforms for getting paid, getting noticed and getting roles.
 
Well I don’t hold an exalted opinion of Taxi Driver in the first place just because I’m “supposed” to.
That is definitely fair. When I first saw it, I was confused by why so many liked it so much. I mean I liked it, found it interesting, but I am more of a Raging Bull/Goodfellas/King of Comedy kind of guy. But watching it over the years, it has definitely grown on me more.
 
Please don't clog this thread with more of these criticisms on Scorsese's Marvel comments. Take it to a more fitting thread, please.
I dont think anyone is doing it on purpose. Its inevitable to a point and its mostly thanks to some highly controversial comments by mr Scorsese that wont go away easily.

Martin Scorsese can spit on Kevin Feige's bald head and Feige himself would say thank you. I would sacrifice the entire MCUniverse for Taxi Driver. I'll even be more honest with you, man, IF you ever disrespect him even in a dream, you better wake up and apologize.

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Thats mean spirited and wrong on every level. Top 10 of BS i ve seen in this forum and i would even accept that some of my own comments can fit this bill but none of them are in this thread just to let you know.


I haven't even seen it, and I know this is crazy talk.

If you havent seen it then its a bad statement.

Well I don’t hold an exalted opinion of Taxi Driver in the first place just because I’m “supposed” to.
Everyone is allowed to rate movies how they please but high ratings should be taken into account when your opinion goes against the majority's opinion.

But nevertheless what you say is fair and i agree even though i personally rate Taxi Driver higher than Joker but its not like the margin is that great.

Taxi Driver was better than Joker. I don't think that is a contest

I could see why it would be for some people. Taxi Driver has an edge but its not big imho.
Also people ignore or miss the fact that Taxi Driver like every movie of the previous decades enjoyed something new movies cant have.

Being original , less experienced unsuspected and innocent audiences and being the first to explore a theme.

After you see something for the first time the novelty factor wears off the next time around.
Past movies clearly have a default advantage of being "classics".

I Liked Joker but this comment cannot be repeated enough.

Thats debatable imho.

For those that want the Marvel talk to go away, tell that to Scorsese and his friends. Francis Ford Coppola recently told Yahoo that Marvel movies are despicable. All of these comments are going to have unintended consequences.
Exactly this.

Good on Scorsese to voice his opinion.

The Irishman looks really good.
Yes you re entitled to your own opinions but you re not entitled to your own facts.
Less than 10% is not an invasion and his comments are ignorant , mean and reeking of jealousy.
This wont change because he is one of the all time greats.

Okay... does this matter? Is there a reason this is in the Irishman thread?

Maybe we should make a thread for those who are taking this so poorly. I mean, I disagree with him, have said so, but I also know we are talking about a 76 year old man, that has done so much for cinema and apparently his biggest crime is not liking Marvel movies. Okay.

If you think actual filmmakers are going to start coming from the greatest American film maker to ever live, I'd be more worried about them and their qualities.
Comments like his are bound to produce controversy.
And people here are trying to defend them which is extremely biased imho and makes this situation and debate continue.

You cant defend an ignorant comment and if you due controversy will ensue.

If we are being honest, most of Hollywood. I don't agree of course. But there is a reason why we get the idea that people turn their noise up at them. They see them as platforms for getting paid, getting noticed and getting roles.
Jealousy.

Do your own movies mind your own business. Audiences will decide whats worth of attention.
You can criticize movies but expect a critic of your own critic and try to be factual.

You cant randomly say "they are invading us" when they are less than 10% of the market and then expect no reply.

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Compotent or even extremely compotent people sometimes make bad judgements. Why is that so hard to get and why you re trying to defend those bad calls ?

Its biased and doesnt make sense. Let it go.
 
I wish this never happened so we can just hear about The Irishman. I think "They're not my thing or I wish different films got more respect" would have been cool. But the hyperbolic stuff like they're not cinema, or comparing them to "narrative" films when you know very well they are (whether you like the narrative is up to you), or now Coppola calling them despicable, that's when my eyes starting rolling a little bit. I wish actual poorly made piece of trash films got dogged out like that.

Yeah, that's pretty much what the problem is. There's a difference between someone saying the Marvel films aren't their cup of tea or don't interest them and going on some angry tirade about them, calling and even going as far as to judge those that enjoy them. I'm really trying to picture the kinda person someone would have to be who if you tried to have a casual conversation about Marvel flims IRL they would do the latter. It's really not a good look for that person.

And weren't people saying similar things about movies like Jaws and Star Wars back in the 70s?
 
When was the last time Coppola did anything good? The seventies?
 
I somewhat agreed with Scorsese but Coppola sounds unhinged. Also he is trash:

 
They just singled out Marvel when whole lot of films are just blockbusters people just go see and be entertained which is perfectly fine and nothing despicable except for those who think those movies are despicable. I guess these so called masters one of whom who made a historical bomb of a movie that sank his own studio and made Dark Phoenix shy found something enlightening or inspirational in a Transformer movie, or Venom, or Godfather 3 .... Oops sorry....
 
Personally I'm a huge fan of his version of Dracula and I liked The Rainmaker from 1997. I think they were the last two i liked.
Dracula is one of my favorite, I am not even sure this is good, movies. It has the performances of Oldman, Ryder, Hopkins and Keanu all in the same film. It's amazing.
 
If you havent seen it then its a bad statement.
You say this is a bad statement and then say this...

I could see why it would be for some people. Taxi Driver has an edge but its not big imho.
Also people ignore or miss the fact that Taxi Driver like every movie of the previous decades enjoyed something new movies cant have.

Being original , less experienced unsuspected and innocent audiences and being the first to explore a theme.

After you see something for the first time the novelty factor wears off the next time around.
Past movies clearly have a default advantage of being "classics".
This ignores the inherent bias of those for the "new". So maybe, just maybe, those that prefer one or the other are just saying their personal opinion, man.

Jealousy.

Do your own movies mind your own business. Audiences will decide whats worth of attention.
You can criticize movies but expect a critic of your own critic and try to be factual.

You cant randomly say "they are invading us" when they are less than 10% of the market and then expect no reply.

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P.S.
Compotent or even extremely compotent people sometimes make bad judgements. Why is that so hard to get and why you re trying to defend those bad calls ?

Its biased and doesnt make sense. Let it go.
I love this. You want people to mind their own business and not comment on film, when they actually work in the industry and you post on a board where people are whining that a 76 year old dude has an opinion. Grown people are acting like someone just insulted their family or something because someone doesn't like their movies. So people need to start spamming threads about movies to cry about it.

Oh and by the way, he doesn't care. None of them care. You know why? Because they are all friends, they are all rich and they know what it is like to make the movies.


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The bias here works both ways.
 
Is this a lock to pass B v S?

You say this is a bad statement and then say this...


This ignores the inherent bias of those for the "new". So maybe, just maybe, those that prefer one or the other are just saying their personal opinion, man.


I love this. You want people to mind their own business and not comment on film, when they actually work in the industry and you post on a board where people are whining that a 76 year old dude has an opinion. Grown people are acting like someone just insulted their family or something because someone doesn't like their movies. So people need to start spamming threads about movies to cry about it.

Oh and by the way, he doesn't care. None of them care. You know why? Because they are all friends, they are all rich and they know what it is like to make the movies.


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The bias here works both ways.

1. But it is a bad arguement and other bad arguements dont chance that. So what are you trying to say ?

2. Inherent bias ? LOL. What i say is perfetly logical and i didnt discover the wheel or something.
Do i need to explain that its something that doesnt apply for every situation ? Seems like i should.

3. You re missing the point by miles man. Im not whining about someones opinion.
I clearly stated numerous times i have Scorsese at the top of the top in his craft.

But he didnt just express an opinion which anyone is entitled to.

NOONE IS ENTITLED to their own FACTS.

He doesnt like Marvel films thats FINE.

But less than 10% ISNT AN INVASION.

Thats a CLOWN COMMENT whether you like it and whether you understand it or not.

Stop reading things i didnt mean.

Let me emphasize it again. Less than 10% isnt an invasion.

Scorsese is clearly jelly SH films own the majority of the boxoffice grosses by only being the minority of releases.

He should check his facts before commenting on something specific.

He is not factual and thats the only problem i have with his childish comments.

P.S. Copola managed to outdone Scorsese. He is an even bigger clown.
 
Dracula is one of my favorite, I am not even sure this is good, movies. It has the performances of Oldman, Ryder, Hopkins and Keanu all in the same film. It's amazing.
I think it's legitimately good but then some of my friends think I'm crazy so who knows? I just know that has been an inspiration for my vampire film tastes since i was little. I love the demented love story aspect of it, i love the levels of his makeup and his power, I love the art direction, the cinematography and that glorious musical score, amd I love Oldman and Hopkins so damn much in it!
 
1. But it is a bad arguement and other bad arguements dont chance that. So what are you trying to say ?

2. Inherent bias ? LOL. What i say is perfetly logical and i didnt discover the wheel or something.
Do i need to explain that its something that doesnt apply for every situation ? Seems like i should.

3. You re missing the point by miles man. Im not whining about someones opinion.
I clearly stated numerous times i have Scorsese at the top of the top in his craft.

But he didnt just express an opinion which anyone is entitled to.

NOONE IS ENTITLED to their own FACTS.

He doesnt like Marvel films thats FINE.

But less than 10% ISNT AN INVASION.

Thats a CLOWN COMMENT whether you like it and whether you understand it or not.

Stop reading things i didnt mean.

Let me emphasize it again. Less than 10% isnt an invasion.

Scorsese is clearly jelly SH films own the majority of the boxoffice grosses by only being the minority of releases.

He should check his facts before commenting on something specific.

He is not factual and thats the only problem i have with his childish comments.

P.S. Copola managed to outdone Scorsese. He is an even bigger clown.


The comments, as irrelevant as they are in terms of infuencing peoples opinions, are driven by much more then just Marvel. They are the top of the food chain and the easiest target, but I believe it's the dramatic landscape shift that is driving the frustration. Considering the era these guys came from, it's understandable. I said this ten years ago, many did, but autear films and filmakers have little impact on the opinions of the GA, so their warning signs will largely be ignored. Which brings us to today. Where business is still business and the theaters are still struggling and under greater threat from ever-changing technology. Art, or 'real' art as an argument has always had little impact on stemming the tide of commercialism (or what the masses like). Streaming is the salvation of indie/auteur filmmakers. Which is a blessing, but also unfortunate. Still, the ultimate driver is the technologies that shape viewer habits.

Example:

 
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1. But it is a bad arguement and other bad arguements dont chance that. So what are you trying to say ?

2. Inherent bias ? LOL. What i say is perfetly logical and i didnt discover the wheel or something.
Do i need to explain that its something that doesnt apply for every situation ? Seems like i should.

3. You re missing the point by miles man. Im not whining about someones opinion.
I clearly stated numerous times i have Scorsese at the top of the top in his craft.

But he didnt just express an opinion which anyone is entitled to.

NOONE IS ENTITLED to their own FACTS.

He doesnt like Marvel films thats FINE.

But less than 10% ISNT AN INVASION.

Thats a CLOWN COMMENT whether you like it and whether you understand it or not.

Stop reading things i didnt mean.

Let me emphasize it again. Less than 10% isnt an invasion.

Scorsese is clearly jelly SH films own the majority of the boxoffice grosses by only being the minority of releases.

He should check his facts before commenting on something specific.

He is not factual and thats the only problem i have with his childish comments.

P.S. Copola managed to outdone Scorsese. He is an even bigger clown.
My favorite part of this is the idea that Scorsese needs to check some "facts". He. Doesn't. Care. This is the man who talks about how little time he has to watch movies. You think he is going to spend his time worrying about that?

That is my favorite thing about this. People like you have wasted more oxygen on this topic then he ever will. It's almost like some are acting so adversely to this, because they fear he might be a bit right about all this.
 
I don't have a problem with Scorsese's comments, or Coppola's. The debate of Art vs. Commerce is a never ending debate within Hollywood, so this is the new incarnation of that. Again, for a brief time in the 70's these guys thought they glimsed the future of cinema, but then Jaws and Star Wars came and now the "Age of the Blockbuster" is at an all time high. Scorsese can lecture theater owners all he wants about what movies they should show, but at the end of the day they'll choose whatever film gives them the best chance to stay relevant to as many consumers as possible..
 
The guy can talk about 10% of the pie thing all he wants, but the truth is that most of the screening rooms when a cbm comes out are taken by them, which I get, this is still a business. But alot of us now gotta wait for films like 'The Lighthouse' or Parasite to play within 40 miles of us, just to see them. I can understand the bitterness from masters like Scorsese and Coppola, imagine coming in the great period of the 70s, to now. lol I don't believe he is out of touch at all, just a bit bitter that most new kids/generation are growing up with these amusement park flicks than the classics that he so loves, I can't blame him. Hell, a part of me kinda wants the mouse to create their own theater chains and have their rides there, but let me see the lighthouse within five minutes of my place. lol
 
Makes me believe certain Marvel fanboys here are 11 years old or younger.
 

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