Season 1, Episode 1 What If: Captain Carter was ...The First Avenger? (Discussion)

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  1. Dr. Evil Registered

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    I am not big into animation these days (with Rick and Morty and Invincible the only ones I watch regularly), but I gave this a chance based upon reviews. For the first episode, it was okay. I did enjoy the Captain Carter character and I think a live action version of the character would work due to the multiverse, but the issue is whether or not Captain Carter would stay in the sacred MCU timeline once the multiverse ends. I do not want a live action Captain Carter to show up in the multiverse and then to disappear once the multiverse ends. She needs to stay as a regular in phases 4 and 5 if she is to appear in live action. Otherwise, keep her animated.

    The T'Challa as Star Lord episode is going to be an emotional one.
     
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  2. Venom 1988 formerly Ultimate_Venom

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    I guess the question is, if she were to get her own movie, should it be one that takes place in her own universe or for lack of a better term the main MCU universe?
     
  3. Dr. Evil Registered

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    I would like for it to be her own movie, but it would probably connect to the main MCU Universe.
     
  4. Kev4000 Registered

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    I fear that the MCU lose focus if every side character gets his own series/show. We have a new Captain America already and his solo movie has not even a release date in the near future, so I dont need a Captain Carter movie in 2027 with all the movies/series released before and CC is nearly forgotten already.
     
  5. Spider-Fan SHHFFL 2014/2019 Champion

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    I think Captain Carter appearing in other projects and getting her own various episodes in What If or an animated spinoff is best personally
     
  6. Hannibal75 Registered

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    For what is worth, critics are saying that the next episodes are better paced because they tell their own original stories instead of adapting an already existing MCU film.
     
  7. Shinobi Shaw Hellfire Club's Black King

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    Meh, I thought it was okay for what it was. It wasn't a stellar episode of Batman TAS, but it does have its own heart and the voice cast really knocked it out the park. The animation does grow on you, but I'm still not a fan and will never be a fan of the cel-shaded look.

    I'd give it a strong 7.

    I need to see Jeffrey Wright as Uatu in live action though. Hopefully he'll be there with the Fantastic Four in the near future.
     
  8. KaijuDude1992 Registered

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    It was a pretty solid first episode, but nothing that really blew me away which is kind of what I was expecting to be honest, especially considering the short running time.

    I really enjoyed hearing Haley Atwell's voice again since I've been missing her the most in this universe, but it did feel like they were doing a little too much for such a limited amount of time which made it feel a bit rushed IMO, so I more than understand that criticism.

    I'm still enjoying the animation though even if it is very hyper stylized and to me it looked great during a good majority of the action sequences on the display in this.

    Also, I had no idea that wasn't Chris Evans voicing skinny Steve Rogers, but damn did the guy doing it sound alot like him which made me think it was him.
     
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  9. Drizzle Penguin Silvia

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    I'm pretty sure that's their plan. They seem to have given Uatu Wright's facial features, albeit a little exaggerated like some of the other characters in the show:
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  10. Pennywise Registered

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    Yeah, I believe the line up for the new few episodes are:
    T’Challa as Star Lord
    Nick Fury in episode 3
    Doctor Strange in Episode 4
     
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    With Schmidt wanting to summon the "true champion of HYDRA" from beyond the stars really made me think of Hive/Alveus for a second lol (though obviously Marvel Studios wouldn't do that).

    They said they weren't allowed to introduce any new characters. I think Shuma-Gorath may be the exception if they already planned him out for Multiverse of Madness (especially if Captain Carter will show up there or something). Otherwise it'd have to be a generic monster I think.

    Yeah this confused me too.

    Also in TFA the order of events is
    - Steve takes place in the machine
    - Erskine asks Peggy if she'd be more comfortable in the booth
    - Peggy goes into the booth, sitting next to Chester Philips while Heinz Kruger takes place behind her. Everyone but the scientists are in the booth watching.
    - Steve injected with most of the serum and is transformed
    - Once they see the experiment is successful Peggy, Philips, Kruger and everyone else come down from the booth to see Steve up close
    - Kruger blows up a bomb he left up in the booth as a distraction, takes the last serum remaining after Steve had been injected with the rest and shoots Erskine
    - Steve chases him to retrieve the serum, but the vile breaks in the fight after Steve takes him from the submarine

    In this it is
    - Steve and Peggy walk up to Erskine together
    - Erskine asks Peggy if she'd be more comfortable in the booth
    - She says no and stays below.
    - Now Chester Philips, Flynn (who we never saw in TFA) and Heinz Kruger all stay on the floor with the machine rather than going into the booth
    - Steve takes place in the machine
    - Kruger blows up his bomb not up in the booth as a distraction but on the lab floor where multiple people get hurt by the explosion
    - He shoots Philips and Steve and takes the Serum
    - Peggy shoots Kruger, puts the vile of serum he took back in the machine and goes through the transformation.
    - I don't think we ever see Erskine die, but since we don't see him later I assume he died in the explosion?

    So why was Flynn here if he wasn't before? Why did everyone besides Peggy also not go up into the booth this time? Why did Kruger decide to activate his explosive before Steve went through the transformation instead of waiting to see if it works? In TFA there was a vile left over for Kruger to take after Steve's transformation, so logically after Peggy's there should be a vile left they could use to replicate the serum? All that plus Schmidt only getting the Tesseract after, rather than already having it and having started making weapons with it before Steve got transformed really makes it seem like much more than one simple change (the decision to go up to the booth or not).
     
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  12. Kirmit Big Green Machine.

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    I liked the first episode, love the animation style but the mouth movements were really off, not syncing up with voices.
     
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  13. samsnee Ok

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    It was ok. Definitely rushed like others have said and I hope the rest of the episodes are a bit more original. Peggy seemed a little too gung ho but I guess the idea is she was tired of not being taken seriously.
     
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    I enjoyed it.

    Then again , I didn't come to it with high expectations or above average standards.
    I wasn't expecting or hoping for much anyway.

    I always treated the What IF comics as fun tangents, as opposed to something consequential or something to really look forward to.

    So , I didn't look at this as being on the same level Wandavision, Loki, or Falcon and The Winter Solider which carry much more weight for me.

    For me, it was a brief ,fun ,distraction .

    It's definitely for the diehard fanboys who know these films in and out , so that's probably it's biggest drawback to appealing to casual viewers who've only seen these films once.
     
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    Enjoyed it well enough overall - even if it did become a little too much like HELLBOY at the end - looking forward to the rest of the series though I am having trouble trying to sort out why they are linking T'Challa with Star Lord...What If?...more like Why Not?...
     
  16. Shinobi Shaw Hellfire Club's Black King

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    You took the words out of my mouth.
     
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  17. Ctfxcwatcher Registered

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    This was great. I've always loved animation. I wonder how many MCU fans will watch this. There does seem to be a lot of people who don't like animation (can't tell you how many star wars fans I've come across who have never watched the clone wars and have no plans to because they hate cartoons).
     
  18. BobJM Uncle Charlie

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    This episode had no right being this good. This was a cool Captain America / Wonder Woman mashup—I lived.

    Absolutely loved it; so incredibly surprised by it.

    The animation and storyline were spot on. I really wasn’t keen on the look from watching the trailers, but wow was it cool. Sharp writing and great voice acting (even knock-off Chris Evans) elevated this too.

    Sign me up for more Haley Atwell Captain Carter, animated and/or (preferably) live action. Hopefully Feige knows what’s up.
     
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    That was fun. I’m always down for more Haley Atwell. Bring on the next episode!
     
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    I’m not into anime though this is okay to spend 1/2 hour on TV, nothing terrible and nothing great.

    The fast pace works for me since this assumes watchers remember what were the original events (that’s the whole point of it) and they highlighted the key differences. So the rest can be trimmed out.

    This first episode probably planted a few key seeds for future development, on top of my head including 1) No Winter Soldier 2) which means Howard Stark didn’t die in the 90s 3) no Steve as Cap, likely no Falcon encounter.
     
  21. Frodo Registered

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    There can never be too much Haley Atwell.
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  22. JtheDreamer Slangin Grannys Peach Tea

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    Memo to the producers - SLOW DOWN! Give it room to breathe!

    The irony is the rush to get Captain Carter into modern times was the same complaint often made about CA:TFA in getting Cap to The Avengers.
     
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  23. Frodo Registered

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    I remember when there were a group of fans who were worried, before the first Avengers film came in 2012 , that it was "too soon" to have an Avengers film since there had been only two Ironman films, one Cap, one Thor, and one in continuity Hulk film.
     
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  24. GREEN =w= DAY Registered

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    Just got watched the first episode and I liked it. The animation was ok, a bit choppy at times that sort of felt more like a motion comic

    This episode just left me wanting to see more Peggy lol
     
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  25. The Caped Knight Shield Avenger

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    It appears she's going to be returning based off a future promo. She'll be instrumental in a key fight as it appears She'll be leading a team of her own in present day
     
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