I actually had the idea that Criston had real feelings for the Princess so I easily shipped them. I thought his early protests were more about his lowly station than an actual unwillingness.
That's an interesting take to be honest. Thank you for sharing! Though even if it's just because of his station, there is the fact that he had doubts, right? He told her to stop, clearly was uncomfortable, and tried to leave. Even if he does clearly have feelings for her, doesn't that still put her in the wrong?
There's absolutely a problematic power imbalance there, but I definitely read his hesitation as being reluctant to throw away his honor & vows (on penalty of death) to sleep with her. Once he set aside his cloak, he seemed pretty into it.
I’m with you on both, but I’m not surprised what people cheer for as GoT morality is a fair bit more twisted than real life and people have got used to seeing this for 8 seasons already. GoT was absolutely stacked with great characters but 95% of them were absolute *******s!
.This continues to be my biggest issue. Second episode was 6 months after the first. 3 years passed between 2 and 3. And this episode Daemon mentioned Rhaenyra having matured in the last 4 years (by which I assume he was talking about the last time he saw her in episode 2). So time is flying by in-between episodes but it seems like nothing happens offscreen. Rhaenyra and Viserys start off each episode wherever they ended the last. Rhaenyra has been giving Alicent the cold shoulder for the last however many years and just this episode started to make amends.
I see what you are saying. I think they are giving enough context to establish the passage of time though. They say how long it has been and you can see it by the subtle differences amongst the people in the various scenes. Viserys and to a lesser extent Otto show aging throughout the multiple episodes. Some not so subtle like Alicent's child is 2 and she is well into another pregnancy, or Viserys fingers. They could do like other shows and just put a "blank years" later graphic on the screen but I think they just went with an artistic choice. I can see your point though. We are getting actor changes for a couple people so that will be a really big indicator, I think in the next episode not sure.Man, this episode had me feeling really bad for Alicent
This continues to be my biggest issue. Second episode was 6 months after the first. 3 years passed between 2 and 3. And this episode Daemon mentioned Rhaenyra having matured in the last 4 years (by which I assume he was talking about the last time he saw her in episode 2). So time is flying by in-between episodes but it seems like nothing happens offscreen. Rhaenyra and Viserys start off each episode wherever they ended the last. Rhaenyra has been giving Alicent the cold shoulder for the last however many years and just this episode started to make amends.
It’s not a huuuge issue, I understand that they’ve got a lot to cover and a lot of time is passing sometimes even between scenes. I just wish they were doing a better job at conveying the passage of time.
Yeah, Episode 5 is supposed to be the last episode with Young Rhaenyra and Young Alicent. Then there's one time-jump left because they've cast different age actors for the next generation of kids like Aegon.
Except… Alcock has been quite wonderful in the role.
I'm still kinda struggling with how to interpret the later parts of this scene, but I've also seen a lot of vitriol around the discussion online, so I'm really happy with how calm it is here. The fact that it's so incredibly layered, and that it's generating these kinds of discussions, just proves how good this episode was though!
Yes! Clare Kilner did an amazing job, not just with those scenes, but with the whole episode. The sneaking out of the Red Keep and onto the street's of King's Landing scene was absolutely electric! I can't stop gushing over it. She apparently also directed episodes 5 & 9 so that's very promising!
Haha true, Game of Thrones morality is definitely quite something. All the different marriage proposals in the last few episodes have kinda set the tone. This episode also helped me truly embrace that absolutely all of these characters have varying shades of grey. It's less rooting for them, but following them on their respective journeys.
I admittedly followed along a bit with some of the vitriol aimed at Alicent and Otto during the first two episodes. Last week kinda turned that around, but this week in particular I really felt for Alicent as well. She's had it so incredibly rough.Man, this episode had me feeling really bad for Alicent
Also all those ridiculous marriage proposals probably put Rhaenyra in a rebellious mindframe to reject that system and then with the Jasmine experience of being out in the city undercover dressed as a boy and seeing how people really live and view the succession compounding that. Add going to a pleasure house to see a show like that and the rebellious Daemon would have seemed a much more attractive proposition than the kind of fools she'd been entertaining (just a shame it's her uncle but that's GoT lol). Daemon knew all this too and purposely manipulated her, but Rhaenyra then recovered the situation well when she was back in full control. Very interested to see what this all leads to next.
I agree Rhaenyra probably should have been a younger actress with her mom in the first episode, then changed to the current one after maybe episode 3.All good points. Though… Alcock’s Rhaenyra is (perhaps?) more problematic in terms of denoting the passage of time. Now maybe they have “aged” her up with changes to hairstyle, wardrobe, etc. But if so, it’s been very subtle — such that there aren’t obvious differences (at least to me) between ep. 1 (when she’s fourteen-ish) and ep. 4 (when she’s in her late teens and sexually active). I dunno. Maybe they should have brought Emma D’Arcy in earlier…?
Likewise! Milly Alcock and Emily Carey have done an absolutely amazing job obviously, but they were cast as the younger versions later on. Can't wait to see what D'Arcy and Cooke bring to the characters.
Curious as to who the other two actors are?
Same here, thought I'd read that somewhere. Anyway, very glad to see that they got more than that.
