Season 7, Episode 3 "The Queen's Justice" Discussion Thread

[JeetKuneDo]

Cersei drank the antidote before she left Ellaria and her daughter's prison cell. Thats why she was able to kiss Jaime. Plus Ellaria knows how long it takes for the poison to work. If nothing happened when it was supposed to Elaria would know Cersei didnt actually poison her daughter.

Well, if you wanted to inflict that kind of mental torture you have to sell it by drinking the "antidote" in front of them. Knowing Cersei it was wine.

I don't think she knows how long it takes because they specifically talked about how it could vary from hours to days. That's the worst part...they don't know if she is going to drop dead today or in a few weeks. Just non-stop mental torture.

Then...when they figure out it wasn't poison, she moves on to the next torture. Kinda like how Ramsay helped Theon "escape" only to lead him right back to the torture chamber.

Just curious. What questions, and how come your suspicious were raised? I have only recently gotten into the show, so don't know every little detail.

It was when he asked about her accent and where she was from. He then inquired what it was like because "I hear it's beautiful down there...palm tress and butterflies....haven't been myself". He then looks at her intently to see her reaction...but she just smiles and offers no comment. It looked an awful lot like he was testing her to see if she was being truthful to me.

 

[righthooksrus86]

Well, if you wanted to inflict that kind of mental torture you have to sell it by drinking the "antidote" in front of them. Knowing Cersei it was wine.

I don't think she knows how long it takes because they specifically talked about how it could vary from hours to days. That's the worst part...they don't know if she is going to drop dead today or in a few weeks. Just non-stop mental torture.

Then...when they figure out it wasn't poison, she moves on to the next torture. Kinda like how Ramsay helped Theon "escape" only to lead him right back to the torture chamber.


It was when he asked about her accent and where she was from. He then inquired what it was like because "I hear it's beautiful down there...palm tress and butterflies....haven't been myself". He then looks at her intently to see her reaction...but she just smiles and offers no comment. It looked an awful lot like he was testing her to see if she was being truthful to me.

That completely went over my head because I totally thought he was just hittin on her lol.

 

[Elayis]

I thought he was just trying to make small talk but she wasn't having it. Just more awkwardness ahead of the stilted and combative meeting between Jon and Dany.

 

[Charlatan]

Well, if you wanted to inflict that kind of mental torture you have to sell it by drinking the "antidote" in front of them. Knowing Cersei it was wine.

I don't think she knows how long it takes because they specifically talked about how it could vary from hours to days. That's the worst part...they don't know if she is going to drop dead today or in a few weeks. Just non-stop mental torture.

Then...when they figure out it wasn't poison, she moves on to the next torture. Kinda like how Ramsay helped Theon "escape" only to lead him right back to the torture chamber.


It was when he asked about her accent and where she was from. He then inquired what it was like because "I hear it's beautiful down there...palm tress and butterflies....haven't been myself". He then looks at her intently to see her reaction...but she just smiles and offers no comment. It looked an awful lot like he was testing her to see if she was being truthful to me.

that exchange seemed awkward to me too. not sure I'm buying that she's the spy but it could be. What if Melisandre were orchestrating a lot of this? Her only mission is to see the Night King fall. And the path to that outcome is for all the forces in Westeros to unite against him and she believes if Dany is successful then she would be less likely to help Jon and King's landing would be destroyed because Cersei would go all scorched Earth before losing.

I believe the final battle will be in King's Landing and will involve luring the army of the dead inside the city walls and unleashing all the wildfire upon them.
And while it's possible that Mel might be the spy if I were a betting man it would be Varys I'd put my money on. He has an ulterior motive I do believe.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Melisandre is the Harpy.

 

[Reek]

The Ginger that was Promised

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Is the Harpy thing ever going to get resolved on the show.... or has it been resolved? It's hard to tell. I feel like D&D just thought enough is enough we need to get out of her quickly and had Dany randomly dump Daario, look out for Mereen etc.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

That completely went over my head because I totally thought he was just hittin on her lol.

Or it could be that!

But the show appears to be at a point where they don't have the luxury to just put in scenes like that which don't mean anything.

 

[Iceman]

Or it could be that!

But the show appears to be at a point where they don't have the luxury to just put in scenes like that which don't mean anything.

Is that why we got the painful, neverending worst romance ever scene between Grey Worm and Missandei recently? t:

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

^ D&D only agreed to do the shorter season if they could include an oral sex scene in every episode.

 

[KevTravels]

Could this season have done 10 episodes? Or was there really no time for that in order to release even in July? I kinda wish they had just pushed back the premiere til like September or October so that we could get 10 episodes.

Though with what I read is the last few episodes are like 70 or 80 minutes long, so that makes up for it.

 

[Drizzle]

Could this season have done 10 episodes? Or was there really no time for that in order to release even in July? I kinda wish they had just pushed back the premiere til like September or October so that we could get 10 episodes.

Though with what I read is the last few episodes are like 70 or 80 minutes long, so that makes up for it.

I think when they mapped out the endgame for the show after season six they realized they only needed another 13 episodes to get it done.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Someone pointed this out, but don't the Tyrells have a huge, largely untouched army? Most of the fighting done so far has been between Starks, Baratheons, Lannisters and the Tullys. Shouldn't the Tyrell army be at almost full strength since the only major engagement they've had has been a rather-one-sided battle against Stannis' army? Whereas the Lannisters should be exhausted and spread thin.

 

[BestGirl]

I think when they mapped out the endgame for the show after season six they realized they only needed another 13 episodes to get it done.

I thought it was more for budgetary reasons.

Someone pointed this out, but don't the Tyrells have a huge, largely untouched army? Most of the fighting done so far has been between Starks, Baratheons, Lannisters and the Tullys. Shouldn't the Tyrell army be at almost full strength since the only major engagement they've had has been a rather-one-sided battle against Stannis' army? Whereas the Lannisters should be exhausted and spread thin.

The Tarlys, most important Tyrell bannermen flocked to the Lannister side, so the Lannisters have some of that strength now.

 

[Iceman]

I thought it was more for budgetary reasons.

Yeah they kind of skipped some of the decent-sized battles here.

 

[chamber-music]

Someone pointed this out, but don't the Tyrells have a huge, largely untouched army? Most of the fighting done so far has been between Starks, Baratheons, Lannisters and the Tullys. Shouldn't the Tyrell army be at almost full strength since the only major engagement they've had has been a rather-one-sided battle against Stannis' army? Whereas the Lannisters should be exhausted and spread thin.

The Tyrells are not the best fighters at as lady Olenna said. The Tarlys switched allegiance to the Lannisters as well.

The entire reach army wasn't at Highgarden either. The Tryrell bannerman were probably not assembled at Highgarden.

 

[KevTravels]

Someone pointed this out, but don't the Tyrells have a huge, largely untouched army? Most of the fighting done so far has been between Starks, Baratheons, Lannisters and the Tullys. Shouldn't the Tyrell army be at almost full strength since the only major engagement they've had has been a rather-one-sided battle against Stannis' army? Whereas the Lannisters should be exhausted and spread thin.

this is what I'm constantly wondering. How do the Lannisters still have loyal forces? Is it out of fear? Tommen is dead, surely the Kings Guard hold no fondness for Cersei or respect for Jaime.

 

[godisawesome]

It's clear that, to a certain extent, D&D know that their strength isn't in logistics for this show, which, again, I can't really hold against them since that wasn't what they signed up for when GOT started. They do well at big set pieces, clever and snarky dialogue, and general character work, but followed GRRM's lead a lot on the political maneuvering and sociological portrayal of Westeros. But yeah, by all rights, even with the Tarlys turning cloak on the Tyrells, and even with the Reach not being one single unified kingdom, there should still be a significant and powerful Tyrell force that Dany should still have, if for no other reason than Dany still has the dragons as tactical trump cards and the Lannisters should be incredibly untrusted and despised in the Reach.

And beyond the house forces that the Tyrells should directly control, their castle should have been much tougher to crack without subterfuge simply because castles are ludicrously easy to defend, and there should be other, powerful rivals to the Tarlys who could still match that half of the force. And yeah, the Lannisters should by all feudal logic be down to very little and suffering from strained supply lines and likely revolts in the now invaded and abandoned Westerlands. Howevere, I have a hypothesis I'll use to justify that:

Maybe TV!Tywin flat out reformed the Westerlands' forces from medieval levies composed of drafted peasants and lords and Knights to a professional standing army, in the style of the Roman Legions (or lock step legions, if you want a Asoiaf reference)? Or at least he maybe formed one as the core of the forces, and uses the more traditional system as strictly auxiliary support? The Lannisters are easily the most consistently identical looking military force in terms of the armor and arms they carry, even so much that we see guys like the Mountain dressed in LannisterTM armor. And professional armies like the Roman Legions have a reputation for being more likely to abandon homelands in pursuit of fortune and greater oppurtunities than notoriously regional medieval armies.

If we can consider the Lannister force to literally have thousands upon thousands of salaried soldiers who are outfitted by Lannisters out of hand, and motivated by profit and ambition, it might make more sense that they can operate far beyond what a medieval army should be able to do in a medieval setting. It would also emphasize how they've progressed more towards a military autocracy than the other kingdoms.

 

[Warhorse]

Well, if you wanted to inflict that kind of mental torture you have to sell it by drinking the "antidote" in front of them. Knowing Cersei it was wine.

I don't think she knows how long it takes because they specifically talked about how it could vary from hours to days. That's the worst part...they don't know if she is going to drop dead today or in a few weeks. Just non-stop mental torture.

Then...when they figure out it wasn't poison, she moves on to the next torture. Kinda like how Ramsay helped Theon "escape" only to lead him right back to the torture chamber.


It was when he asked about her accent and where she was from. He then inquired what it was like because "I hear it's beautiful down there...palm tress and butterflies....haven't been myself". He then looks at her intently to see her reaction...but she just smiles and offers no comment. It looked an awful lot like he was testing her to see if she was being truthful to me.

Yeah, I seen something on youtube where some blogs were pointing this out. I wonder if Tyrion is becoming wary about this. Perhaps he's going to have to do a little test himself like he had to do once to see who was going to rat out his plans to Cersei.

 

[morningmimosa]

It's the first time he met Missandei. Why would he be so suspicious about her?

 

[Iceman]

this is what I'm constantly wondering. How do the Lannisters still have loyal forces? Is it out of fear? Tommen is dead, surely the Kings Guard hold no fondness for Cersei or respect for Jaime.

Fear, sure. Unless there is an organised rebellion then individual rebels will end up with their heads on a pike, no 2nd chances. And I doubt the soldiers would have had a whole lot of respect for a wimpy child King like Tommen or fondness of Joffrey or the Mad King lol.

 

[Filmfan93]

Wow. A few minutes ago I entered the [BLACKOUT]forums of Wiki of Ice and Fire[/BLACKOUT] for some research about the Night King(book) and I was incredibly surprised of the hatred regarding Jon and Daenerys' reunion.

Practically everyone posting in there described it as "rubish, Jon wouldn't say that to her, Daenerys would never adress at Jon like she did, this is utterly fanfiction" and so on.


Jeez.... just calm down a bit. Of course their reunion was strange for some people. I mean, I've been waiting for this reunion since I read all the books in 2013, and a lot of people are waiting for this probably since 2000 or before.

While awaiting for this meetig one always imagine how it would be. So every possible dialogue scenario has been explored. Therefore it's pretty obvious it wouldn't exceed the expectations created. For example I wanted Jon to tell Dany EVERYTHING. Like how he was murdered and about the direwolves (to parallel the dragons) and yadda yadda.


I personally loved it. I think it played really well, it was greatly written (despite much of the hatred D&D receive, i admit I criticized them my fare share) and it was faithful to both characters.

Well, thats about it. Please forgive me for my english.

Hence why I am glad I haven't read any of the books. Don't get me wrong, i would love to some day, but in my current situation i am being amazed by everything that happens in the show and never have my expectations brought down.

This show has been an amazing experience so far for me and my gf - a constant build-up of hype that always pays off. Getting into the unknown has never been so much fun.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Fear, sure. Unless there is an organised rebellion then individual rebels will end up with their heads on a pike, no 2nd chances. And I doubt the soldiers would have had a whole lot of respect for a wimpy child King like Tommen or fondness of Joffrey or the Mad King lol.

It's not fear, it's how things are for the common folks, they were not badly treated by the previous kings or even Aerys the mad king. They still have to serve their lords, nothing really change for them, being one king or another. It's all about lords business, the commoners just have to live with it.
If it was not for Robert's rebellion against the crown for a woman, Rhaegar would have been king after his father death and he was not a bad man.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The Tyrells are not the best fighters at as lady Olenna said. The Tarlys switched allegiance to the Lannisters as well.

The entire reach army wasn't at Highgarden either. The Tryrell bannerman were probably not assembled at Highgarden.

Still, this seems like some bad writing (again). Mace and family were just blown up, High Garden is on war footing. Why the hell is the capital not prepared for an invasion that they should be expecting?

Even if Tarly defects with all his men, he is just one of many lords. They should have shown other lords in the Reach defecting if they wanted to imply that the entire region turned against the Tyrells.

Also this notion that they're not the best fighters seems rather convenient. That hasn't been alluded to, hell they seemed pretty formidable until this episode.

 

[Iceman]

It's not fear, it's how things are for the common folks, they were not badly treated by the previous kings or even Aerys the mad king. They still have to serve their lords, nothing really change for them, being one king or another. It's all about lords business, the commoners just have to live with it.
If it was not for Robert's rebellion against the crown for a woman, Rhaegar would have been king after his father death and he was not a bad man.

Just having to live with it means not doing what you want out of fear though doesn't it? They have no respect or love for Cersei and would probably happily be rid of her if they could, yet they will kill innocents on order. Not for love of the crown for sure!