Sequels unfairly killing off their characters

[zeptron]

As we all know most of them suck compared to their predecessors, but what I don't like is when a likable/important/main character in a film gets killed off in inferior sequels, after they had a hell of a time surviving through whatever horror they went through in the first film. It's just unfair, especially since sequels tend to suck A LOT. Some examples: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS):



Hostel 2: Haven't seen it, but heard that Jay Hernandez gets killed at the beginning. He went through hell in the first one and was relieved he made it out, and he gets killed.

Halloween: Resurrection: Killing off Laurie Strode, the main character, after she finally got to kill Michael in the previous movie... and only so we can get a dumb reality show plot and Busta Rhymes doing karate moves on Michael Myers.

Scream 2: Randy dying. The most fun character in the whole series and the only who had a clue about what to do regarding serial killers.

Scream 3: Cotton Weary dying. They killed off some of the best characters in the series and we still had to put up with David Arquette's deputy who got stabbed over and over again and never died.

Final Destination 2: Clear Rivers. I don't even want to talk about this one.

The Bourne Supremacy: Franka Potente gets shot in the head. Her character didn't even die in the book! Not only that but she was supposed to be in Ultatium(sp?). I hated seeing her exit the film so quickly.

X-men 3: One of the biggest WTH moments of 2006. Cyclops getting his not even 30 minutes into the movie. Ratner I salute you again with...WHAT THE HELL?!

Can't think of any others right now...

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

Kickboxer 2...They killed off Van Damns character from the frist one...lol.

Actually...I found that funny. Cause they used a different actor that looked like him to get killed....

Also....Lets not forget T3....Sara Connor dies....

 

[Drizzle]

Don't forget Star Wars Episodes I and II. Darth Maul and Jango Fett, two kickass, promising villains who are only allowed minimum screentime because they both get killed.

And even though it wasn't a sequel, "Transformers: the Movie" was notorious for killing off characters. Optimus, Megatron, Ironhide, Ratchet, Starscream...all dead within the first half hour.

 

[Rez]

Yeah, Hostel 2 was absolutely pathetic. I was somewhat intrigued by the way the film was starting- the first 10 minutes or so are pretty damn great. But rather than taking the concepts barely touched upon and expanding them into an on the run, conspiracy type of film, he's laughably killed off screen and we get a horrible retread.


I'm pretty sure the biggest, dumbest, and most maligned case of this would be ALIEN 3. Newt, Hicks. 'Nuff said.




Edit: I was going to put in something about some of the Saw sequels, but then I realized that I didn't give a rat **** about any of the characters, so killing them off didn't seem unfair.

 

[Majik1387]

Halloween 6. Jamie, Michael's niece.

 

[AhabTheArab]

mortal kombat annihilation. johnny cage would kicked so much ass!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Alien 3 killing off Michael Biehn's character "Hicks" before the movie even began. Strangely, a comic series had utilized him and the little girl as main characters, continuing them in a storyline that followed them through space fighting the Alien creatures. In his own movieverse, however, again Michael Biehn, a highly underrated actor, gets shafted.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

As we all know most of them suck compared to their predecessors, but what I don't like is when a likable/important/main character in a film gets killed off in inferior sequels, after they had a hell of a time surviving through whatever horror they went through in the first film. It's just unfair, especially since sequels tend to suck A LOT. Some examples: (POSSIBLE SPOILERS):



Hostel 2: Haven't seen it, but heard that Jay Hernandez gets killed at the beginning. He went through hell in the first one and was relieved he made it out, and he gets killed.

Halloween: Resurrection: Killing off Laurie Strode, the main character, after she finally got to kill Michael in the previous movie... and only so we can get a dumb reality show plot and Busta Rhymes doing karate moves on Michael Myers.

Scream 2: Randy dying. The most fun character in the whole series and the only who had a clue about what to do regarding serial killers.

Scream 3: Cotton Weary dying. They killed off some of the best characters in the series and we still had to put up with David Arquette's deputy who got stabbed over and over again and never died.

Final Destination 2: Clear Rivers. I don't even want to talk about this one.

The Bourne Supremacy: Franka Potente gets shot in the head. Her character didn't even die in the book! Not only that but she was supposed to be in Ultatium(sp?). I hated seeing her exit the film so quickly.

X-men 3: One of the biggest WTH moments of 2006. Cyclops getting his not even 30 minutes into the movie. Ratner I salute you again with...WHAT THE HELL?!

Can't think of any others right now...

Wow you seem to be completely enamored by a standard Horror movie sequel format...impressive, I wish I could be so shocked by stuff like that

and Ratner didn't kill Cyclops off, Singer did two movies previous when he made him a ***** biotch to Wolverine and Jean effectively making him useless to the franchise, and giving Ratner (really Fox) the option to kill him in 3


Edit: to add to your list

Friday the 13th pt 2...whatever what's her name is from 1 who dies in the beginning

Halloween 5 killing whatshername (haha having trouble with names but the big sister to dannielle harris)

Halloween 6 killing the grown up version of Danielle Harris' character

 

[Warhammer]

Wow you seem to be completely enamored by a standard Horror movie sequel format...impressive, I wish I could be so shocked by stuff like that

and Ratner didn't kill Cyclops off, Singer did two movies previous when he made him a ***** biotch to Wolverine and Jean effectively making him useless to the franchise, and giving Ratner (really Fox) the option to kill him in 3

Absolutely true.
He was basically useless. Had Singer actually made him significant, he wouldn't have been killed in the third one. Oh well, X3 still holds one of the top spots for worst deaths, ever. Cyclops, the right-hand man of Xavier, and field leader of the X-Men, dies without anyone in the entire school giving a s***. Nice job Zak and Simon.

Halloween 5 killing whatshername (haha having trouble with names but the big sister to dannielle harris)

Halloween 6 killing the grown up version of Danielle Harris' character

The big sister's death was such a horrible death. Seriously, she got the shaft while changing her shirt. Come on.
And Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers should have never existed. The whole plot was stupid, and completely destroyed the last shred of dignity left in the franchise (until H20 brought a little of it back). Funny how it comes on tonight, if anyone watches AMC Monsterfest.

 

[Majik1387]

Wow, this became a Behind the scenes of X3 thread quicker than I thought

 

[zeptron]

Here's another one I thought of. Whistler in Blade Trinity. Killing off a character in a sequel is one thing, but it's so stupid when you kill off a character, bring them back to life, and then simply kill them off again. You don't feel for the character as much the second time around.

 

[JackBauer]

Absolutely true.
He was basically useless. Had Singer actually made him significant, he wouldn't have been killed in the third one.

I don't understand that "logic". so, because he got the shaft in two previous movies, they suddenly have no choice but to kill him, because of what Singer did?! they could've done it right, corrected Singer's mistake and finally giving the spotlight to someone other than Wolverine.

but no. they chose to take the easy way, kept doing it wrong (consistently wrong, but wrong nonetheless), only in a much, much worse way. at least Singer didn't royally f**k up one of the greatest stories of comic book history.

 

[Fenrir]

The Bourne Supremacy: Franka Potente gets shot in the head. Her character didn't even die in the book! Not only that but she was supposed to be in Ultatium(sp?). I hated seeing her exit the film so quickly.

Actually, I'm rather glad Potente's character got killed in Supremacy. It gave Bourne's character a REAL sense of purpose other than "you f**ked up my vacation, so I'm gonna take you out", and is also the basis for the final "atonement" scene with Neski's daughter, which is in my opinion, the heart of the entire film. Not to mention it saved the film from Bourne having to lug around and babysit Potente's character like he did in Identity. And most importantly, it's a big smack in the face to the conventional stereotypical lame ass necessity of having a ear-bleeding damsel in distress tagging along as an unnecessary attachment for the hero to take care of. Kudos to Greengrass for having the balls to do what 95% of action film directors couldn't.

 

[Warhammer]

I don't understand that "logic". so, because he got the shaft in two previous movies, they suddenly have no choice but to kill him, because of what Singer did?! they could've done it right, corrected Singer's mistake and finally giving the spotlight to someone other than Wolverine.

but no. they chose to take the easy way, kept doing it wrong (consistently wrong, but wrong nonetheless), only in a much, much worse way. at least Singer didn't royally f**k up one of the greatest stories of comic book history.

L0ngsh0t said that because of Singer's treatment of Cyclops in the first 2, he had the option to kill him. Because he was not a major character compared to Wolverine or Magneto, he was able to be considered extra baggage, as opposed to killing Wolverine in X3 out of the blue. L0ngsh0t, nor I said or even implied that Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg HAD to do it.

Besides, this is Brett Ratner we're talking about, as well as Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg, Tim Rothman (the evil president of FOX who had the film rushed to meet the Summer 2006 deadline, even with all of the hell that it went through during pre-production), and other factors. Doing it "right" in Cyclops' case or doing justice to the Dark Phoenix Saga wasn't so easy. I believe that had Singer, Dougherty, and Harris stayed with X3, they would've stayed true to the comics and gave Cyclops the spotlight along with Wolverine.

 

[BatJeff7786]

I don't understand that "logic". so, because he got the shaft in two previous movies, they suddenly have no choice but to kill him, because of what Singer did?! they could've done it right, corrected Singer's mistake and finally giving the spotlight to someone other than Wolverine.

but no. they chose to take the easy way, kept doing it wrong (consistently wrong, but wrong nonetheless), only in a much, much worse way. at least Singer didn't royally f**k up one of the greatest stories of comic book history.

Saying Singer was the cause of Cyclop's death is like saying Burton was responsible for Batman & Robin.

 

[Warhammer]

Saying Singer was the cause of Cyclop's death is like saying Burton was responsible for Batman & Robin.

But nobody said Singer was the reason for Cyclops' death.
We said that because of Singer's lack of the character, he became excess baggage, thus giving them the option to kill Cyclops. Let's not also forget that James Marsden was offered a role in Superman Returns by Bryan Singer. He passed on X3 for Superman Returns, thus making his death somewhat necessary due to scheduling complication.

 

[Roughneck]

I don't know...sometimes I think it's funny...but sometimes it serves a purpose.

I'll use two examples from above.


Hostel II - In I Jay Hernandes had to go through some tough **** to get out, only to make it and then get beheaded in the beginning of II......That serves a purpose, it let's you know just how big this Hostel thing is and how far they stretch and even if you escape you are never really safe...that kinda thing.

Alien 3 - ....now to me that is just funny....Ripley et all fight like hell to save that little girl and get off of the planet alive and it's funny to me (Ironic) because they all died anyway. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

 

[L0ngsh0t]

But nobody said Singer was the reason for Cyclops' death.
We said that because of Singer's lack of the character, he became excess baggage, thus giving them the option to kill Cyclops. Let's not also forget that James Marsden was offered a role in Superman Returns by Bryan Singer. He passed on X3 for Superman Returns, thus making his death somewhat necessary due to scheduling complication.

Another excellent point

essentially Cyclops did not die from the Pheonix but of complete disrespect from everyone involved in making all three X-men movies

Its like everyone wants Elizabeth and Will to die in Pirates (haha or just me, they got in the way of cool movies) but because they are written as intricate to the plot they couldn't die, Cyclops hadn't been written as important or anywhere near it in all three X-men movies, i mean effin Toad was a more important character

 

[L0ngsh0t]

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[TheRunningMan]

Alien 3 killing off Michael Biehn's character "Hicks" before the movie even began. Strangely, a comic series had utilized him and the little girl as main characters, continuing them in a storyline that followed them through space fighting the Alien creatures. In his own movieverse, however, again Michael Biehn, a highly underrated actor, gets shafted.

I was about to pick that one you twiddledink

 

[chamber-music]

Norrington in Pirates dying sucked.

Alien 3 killing hicks and Newt.

 

[KenK]

Norrington in Pirates dying sucked.

What's so unfair about his death? One, assuming this is the last Pirates movie, he's been in all of them, and played a considerable role. To say nothing of the fact that he ultimately gave his life honorably, saving Elizabeth after having betrayed her, Will and Jack in the second movie.

And stop including Ratner in the blame for Cyclops death! Had Vaughn directed X3, Cyclops still would have died. Get over it!

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Actually, I'm rather glad Potente's character got killed in Supremacy. It gave Bourne's character a REAL sense of purpose other than "you f**ked up my vacation, so I'm gonna take you out", and is also the basis for the final "atonement" scene with Neski's daughter, which is in my opinion, the heart of the entire film. Not to mention it saved the film from Bourne having to lug around and babysit Potente's character like he did in Identity. And most importantly, it's a big smack in the face to the conventional stereotypical lame ass necessity of having a ear-bleeding damsel in distress tagging along as an unnecessary attachment for the hero to take care of. Kudos to Greengrass for having the balls to do what 95% of action film directors couldn't.

If you read the books you might have a different opinion on this, her character has a huge role in the books. Her death truely made these movies, Bourne in name only, they're fun movies sure, but really shouldn't have used the titles they had because they basically have nothing to do with the books.

 

[Fenrir]

If you read the books you might have a different opinion on this, her character has a huge role in the books. Her death truely made these movies, Bourne in name only, they're fun movies sure, but really shouldn't have used the titles they had because they basically have nothing to do with the books.

I don't care about films not being faithful to the source material just as long as they are good. And the Bourne films are awesome, especially Greengrass' movies.

 

[Drizzle]

I can't believe we all forgot Neo and Trinity in "The Matrix Revolutions".