Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13

[Voltron]

Well Evans said Steve main mission has been looking for Bucky t: until the Hydra thing came about in AOU so no I don't think Steve knows about Sharon being Peggy's Niece, since he's been looking for Bucky t: and Peggy's memory isn't good at remember things. Also Steve will have to tell her about him and Peggy otherwise he be lying if he just said we was just friends remember Steve always honest

I got the impression that Cap visited Peggy often for chats in that TWS scene with the way they were talking so it would only make sense that Peggy would mention Sharon.

 

[Voltron]

I don't know I wouldn't mind a Steggy final goodbye they do need closure, they could even have a scene where they talk about there first talk in the car in 1940's What are u waiting for? The right partner. Maybe even Steve holding her hand until she dies, then after she dies we see tears in his eyes, and last but not least how about he kisses her on the top of the forehead with him saying good bye Peggy while also leaving his compass with her picture in it in her hands?. this movie needs heart, pulling at your heart strings, something TWS had while AOU didn't have.

Peggy already got closure in Agent Carter on that Brooklyn Bridge for TV viewers, and getting married having a family in TWS for movie viewers. She even told Cap with content in the nursing home that she has lived her life and advised him that the best he could do is to start over.

And it would be pretty selfish of Steve if he took Peggy's final moments from her family don't you think?

It's Cap who needs closure from Peggy where we see in AoU he's taking these steps in his vision and in TWS where he asks Sharon out for coffee.

I bet you at Peggy's funeral he will probably leave the compass with her picture on her coffin as a sign of closure and farewell.

 

[Voltron]

I think Marvel do care about this controversy though - since early May they have published a five part article on BW on their website. Not seen the equivalent for other characters so this could be a damage control exercise? I think some of the issues raised with AoU have attracted such criticism (and even ridicule) that its not a question of fan service anymore but more Marvel protecting their franchise?

I have seen lots of discussions about giving Sharon a bigger role since TWS and this seems to have happened, so maybe Marvel do try to listen to fans? I'm glad we will see more of Sharon's character.

Well I never saw the 5 part article on BW, but I have seen something similar in EW an affiliate to Marvel/Disney.

And in regards to Sharon getting a bigger role, as far back as SDCC in 2013 Marvel/EVC have informed that they're only planting seeds for her character in TWS where she'll play a bigger role later down the line.

But I must admit after seeing how small her screen time was in TWS and no Sharon/EVC news months after CW/characters were announced I got worried her character got dropped.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I don't know I wouldn't mind a Steggy final goodbye they do need closure, they could even have a scene where they talk about there first talk in the car in 1940's What are u waiting for? The right partner. Maybe even Steve holding her hand until she dies, then after she dies we see tears in his eyes, and last but not least how about he kisses her on the top of the forehead with him saying good bye Peggy while also leaving his compass with her picture in it in her hands?. this movie needs heart, pulling at your heart strings, something TWS had while AOU didn't have.

Their scene in TWS was the closure of their join storyline. She'd moved on, and so is he.

 

[warhorse78]

Their scene in TWS was the closure of their join storyline. She'd moved on, and so is he.

No he didn't. When Natasha and him go to search out the bunker, she sees Peggy's face on the wall, and was like "whose the babe?" and Steve had this obvious look he has not gotten over Peggy, what could have been and the incidents that have kept them apart, permanently. In Age Of Ultron, Scarlet Witch plays mind games on him, and what does she do, goes right to the heart of his most grief moment, that he never got to have that dance or share a lifetime with Peggy. Don't be surprised by the slightest, after Chris Evans portrayal of Captain America is finally finished, it's going to be him dying and fading away to the light, with Peggy on the other side waiting for him. I bet my account here, that in the end, they will be together, one way or another. Be it in the after life, some kind of superhero that can bend time, or with the help of some gem that can alter timelines/ or reverse death. One thing about Marvel, when they know a character is a hit with the audience at large, they simply won't let that character fade away. Case in point, IronMan/Tony Stark and Loki.

 

[Shikamaru]

Steve definitely hasn't gotten over Peggy. In fact, I would argue he hadn't fully adjusted to his life in the 21st century till the end of AoU, let alone to losing his love.

 

[universeman]

That's what I was talking about yes Peggy has got closure but Steve hasn't, also I can't help but be sad for them there my number 1 MCU ship since 2011 now its coming to a end.Well at least I still got my number 1 Bro ship Stucky unless Marvel kills Bucky I already lost Steggy I cant lose Stucky too

 

[Dark Raven]

I see pages written in this thread each day, but no set photos or news whatsoever of EVC.

 

[Spitfire]

But I must admit after seeing how small her screen time was in TWS and no Sharon/EVC news months after CW/characters were announced I got worried her character got dropped.

The lack of news about Sharon was worrying for a while and I'm happy to see EVC return.

That's what I was talking about yes Peggy has got closure but Steve hasn't, also I can't help but be sad for them there my number 1 MCU ship since 2011 now its coming to a end.Well at least I still got my number 1 Bro ship Stucky unless Marvel kills Bucky I already lost Steggy I cant lose Stucky too

Marvel can be cruel to their fans I hope nothing happens to Bucky! I want to see as much Bucky as possible in the MCU

 

[BullMcGiveny]

No he didn't. When Natasha and him go to search out the bunker, she sees Peggy's face on the wall, and was like "whose the babe?" and Steve had this obvious look he has not gotten over Peggy, what could have been and the incidents that have kept them apart, permanently.

In Age Of Ultron, Scarlet Witch plays mind games on him, and what does she do, goes right to the heart of his most grief moment, that he never got to have that dance or share a lifetime with Peggy.

1) The look he got might have been 'this algorithm lead us to this base, where my friends worked at the start of SHILED. Just for how long has this been going on?'

Or it could be the other thing, but I wouldn't understand why they'd have plopped a random 'Steve has hearteyes for Peggy' bit right there.

2) While Steve might have not fully moved on, he is in the process of doing so. He's kissing girls (supposedly not well, but kissing them) and he's asking neighbors out and asking about their name. And he's being told he should move forward by Peggy herself.

3) I really don't see the romantic overtone you do to the dream/flashback.

The music sounded like battle noises. Spilled wine looks like a fresh wound. Everyone promptly disappears in the middle of Steve and Peggy's dance.

Wanda's thing is she shows everyone nightmares, and Steve is no exception. Steve's vision isn't a wistful dream about what might have been. It's about his fear that it could have never been, that even if he hadn't went into the ice, he could have never had peace. That is consistent with Steve in TWS, Steve pining after Peggy would just be a retread.

4) The opening question was Steve and Peggy's need for closure. My answer is that the retirement home scene was that closure as far as story goes.

Whether Steve is still hung up on Peggy or not is irrelevant, their storyline has reached a conclusion.

At this point, a no doubt sentimental Steve and Peggy deathbed scene is just pushing.

 

[Voltron]

Age Of Ultron, Scarlet Witch plays mind games on him, and what does she do, goes right to the heart of his most grief moment, that he never got to have that dance or share a lifetime with Peggy.

Don't be surprised by the slightest, after Chris Evans portrayal of Captain America is finally finished, it's going to be him dying and fading away to the light, with Peggy on the other side waiting for him. I bet my account here, that in the end, they will be together, one way or another. Be it in the after life, some kind of superhero that can bend time, or with the help of some gem that can alter timelines/ or reverse death.

One thing about Marvel, when they know a character is a hit with the audience at large, they simply won't let that character fade away. Case in point, IronMan/Tony Stark and Loki.

But notice like what Tony told Steve while chopping wood that his vision didn't seem to have affected him as much as the others? Wanda showed all the avengers their fears, but why show Cap on the dancefloor with Peggy then cuts to him being alone? Maybe because since he got unfrozen he already had to live through his fear of being alone.

Also, that's so Titanic, let's forget about Peggy's husband and children and her showing she has moved on from Cap since that Brooklyn Bridge.

 

[Voltron]

Steve definitely hasn't gotten over Peggy. In fact, I would argue he hadn't fully adjusted to his life in the 21st century till the end of AoU, let alone to losing his love.

Yes, but Cap has taken the tentative steps of moving on like when he asked Sharon out for coffee and at the end of AoU where he told Tony that he thinks a different man came out of the ice.

 

[Voltron]

That's what I was talking about yes Peggy has got closure but Steve hasn't, also I can't help but be sad for them there my number 1 MCU ship since 2011 now its coming to a end.Well at least I still got my number 1 Bro ship Stucky unless Marvel kills Bucky I already lost Steggy I cant lose Stucky too

To be fair it came to an end at the end of TFA when Cap got unfrozen. There'll be more Stucky and hopefully Staron in CW.

 

[RedRose]

I think Steve has accepted that their romance will never be, but he will always love her. He is missing his friend, he is missing his old life, he is missing what he wanted but will never be-but he is also taking steps to try to live his own life.

 

[Voltron]

Yeah, in TWS they did show that Cap's still looking for what makes him happy.

 

[Voltron]

What are the chances this might happen...

http://shuckfacerps.tumblr.com/post/120789332236/fajrdrako-sharon-carter-promise-me-this-isnt

 

[Stevie2020]

What are the chances this might happen...

Spoiler

http://shuckfacerps.tumblr.com/post/120789332236/fajrdrako-sharon-carter-promise-me-this-isnt

50/50, chance with about 100% more clothing. The Russos will be geniuses if they can get Staron to that point in one movie that is as busy as this one. But who knows?

But ,if we must have Staron, then the real or imagined transfers of affection (ie., the ick factor) must be addressed.

 

[Stevie2020]

But notice like what Tony told Steve while chopping wood that his vision didn't seem to have affected him as much as the others? Wanda showed all the avengers their fears, but why show Cap on the dancefloor with Peggy then cuts to him being alone? Maybe because since he got unfrozen he already had to live through his fear of being alone.

Also, that's so Titanic, let's forget about Peggy's husband and children and her showing she has moved on from Cap since that Brooklyn Bridge.

Steve's vision was about mourning personal loss and probably some deep rooted apprehension/fear of moving forward. The others got visions of chaos, death/destruction, and flashbacks to a violent and programmed upbringing. (And who knows what Banner was shown.)

Steve's vision was a cake walk in comparison.

 

[universeman]

Marvel can be cruel to their fans I hope nothing happens to Bucky! I want to see as much Bucky as possible in the MCU

Yes I know but about Stucky well these comments don't help things

It’s one of the first things we said to Kevin [Feige] when we met with him. We said, “You know this is ‘Star Wars.'” It’s an operatic conflict between two family members. This is his best friend who is essentially his brother. They’re both equally matched and they have equal power sets. And they’re fighting for opposite principles.

Joe Russo said the character in Winter Soldier "had the really specific job of basically, you know, being a killing machine and could Cap crack the veneer of that well formed Hydra killing machine? So what’s left to explore obviously is the personality of the character, much the way that [Ed] Brubaker’s run did after Winter Soldier regained a semblance of his past. Philosophical questions that we would want to deal with in Cap 3 would be, you know, is he redeemable? Is he the worst assassin we’ve ever seen or is he the longest suffering P.O.W.? Where does he live now? Does he ever regain his memories? If he doesn’t regain his memories, can you call him Bucky Barnes or is he somebody new?

Long story short with TWS inspired by Star Wars Steve=Luke, Bucky=Vader everyone telling Steve he's not the same guy while he never gives up hope is similar to Luke never giving up hope on Vader. While also can Bucky be redeemed? is also similar to can Vader be redeemed? and we all know what Vader did to redeemed himself. They said TWS is a 2 part storyline that will finish in Cap 3 TWS was like ESB which means CW would be like ROTJ right? if Bucky is like Vader in this then Also Steve's first shield if you really think about it was Bucky t: every time a bully would beat up Steve Bucky would be Steve's shield. t: Now here comes CW where Steve dies but what if they changed it where Bucky takes the bullet acting as Steve's shield redeeming himself for all of the bad things he did like Vader, at the beginning of CW Steve loses Peggy, now picture Steve losing Bucky at the end of CW. I think that's what Zemo wants to do take everything away from Steve like Steve did when he killed Zemo's Dad if they go by the comics that is

 

[sergeantbucky]

Marvel already pulled "villainous brother figure is redeemed by sacrificing himself for the hero" in Thor 2. The Russos would seem incredibly lazy if they rehashed that exact storyline in CW by replacing Thor with Steve and Bucky with Loki. I hope they bring something new to the table, especially with all the criticisms of Marvel movies being formulaic.

 

[universeman]

Marvel already pulled "villainous brother figure is redeemed by sacrificing himself for the hero" in Thor 2. The Russos would seem incredibly lazy if they rehashed that exact storyline in CW by replacing Thor with Steve and Bucky with Loki. I hope they bring something new to the table, especially with all the criticisms of Marvel movies being formulaic.

Loki didn't redeemed himself he tricked Thor there's a difference also they said TWS is like Star Wars Steve vs Bucky is like Luke vs Vader, there are parallels between them and we all know how Vader redeemed himself he sacrifice himself for his Son, killing Bucky would kill Steve he may go into exile losing Bucky to Steve is like losing everything he had. Civil War won't end well for Steve that's for sure, also to add to Bucky sacrificing himself for Steve what if there is a Steve/Sharon romance in the movie but after Bucky dies we find out the shooter was Sharon under mind control by Zemo getting his revenge on Steve for killing his Dad if they go by the comics that is.

 

[sergeantbucky]

Loki didn't redeemed himself he tricked Thor there's a difference also they said TWS is like Star Wars Steve vs Bucky is like Luke vs Vader, there are parallels between them and we all know how Vader redeemed himself he sacrifice himself for his Son, killing Bucky would kill Steve he may go into exile losing Bucky to Steve is like losing everything he had. Civil War won't end well for Steve that's for sure, also to add to Bucky sacrificing himself for Steve what if there is a Steve/Sharon romance in the movie but after Bucky dies we find out the shooter was Sharon under mind control by Zemo getting his revenge on Steve for killing his Dad if they go by the comics that is.

Doesn't matter if Loki tricked Thor. It has already been done.

Steve losing Bucky would only put him back in the place he was at the beginning of TWS. Then, Steve had lost Bucky in WWII, and Peggy was almost as good as dead. For Steve to lose Bucky - again - it wouldn't be a character progression, but a revert.

 

[Suzanne78]

What are the chances this might happen...

http://shuckfacerps.tumblr.com/post/120789332236/fajrdrako-sharon-carter-promise-me-this-isnt

Which comic are these from? i just reupped my MU subscription, and I'd like to try a Sharon/Steve story that doesn't make me bored.

 

[sergeantbucky]

Which comic are these from? i just reupped my MU subscription, and I'd like to try a Sharon/Steve story that doesn't make me bored.

If you click the source link it lists it as:

Captain America vol. 4 #16 by Chuck Austen and Jae Lee. October 2003.

 

[Suzanne78]

If you click the source link it lists it as:

Captain America vol. 4 #16 by Chuck Austen and Jae Lee. October 2003.

Oof... Austen. Damn. I'll see if MU has it though. thanks!