Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13

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We can't have it both ways. If Sharon is a nobody, someone that means "zip" to Steve, then why make such an effort to set them up in TWS? If she means something to Steve, then she means something.

Included in the vision, Sharon could have represented hope, Steve's future, and an overdue reality check for Steve's lingering feelings for Peggy. It isn't Atwell's fault that she keeps being included in the MCU, but it is Marvel's. Her continual presence is a roadblock for Steve/Sharon. Family ties aside, we've seen that Cap can't seem to shake his 1940's flame. It'll be sad if the only thing that causes Steve to move on with his life is Peggy's death.
 
Included in the vision, Sharon could have represented hope, Steve's future, and an overdue reality check for Steve's lingering feelings for Peggy. It isn't Atwell's fault that she keeps being included in the MCU, but it is Marvel's. Her continual presence is a roadblock for Steve/Sharon. Family ties aside, we've seen that Cap can't seem to shake his 1940's flame. It'll be sad if the only thing that causes Steve to move on with his life is Peggy's death.
Exactly to all this. Unfortunately, a couple of people here might inexplicably misinterpret this as hating on Atwell/Peggy without reading it in context.
 
Eh, I don't buy it. Again, people like Peggy. I'm not sure why that means she should be done away with or not appear anymore just because Staron shippers think she somehow harms Sharon.

She's already dead. Appearing in flashbacks or a TV show doesn't hurt Sharon unless you believe Sharon is incapable of standing on her own as a character.
 
Included in the vision, Sharon could have represented hope, Steve's future, and an overdue reality check for Steve's lingering feelings for Peggy. It isn't Atwell's fault that she keeps being included in the MCU, but it is Marvel's. Her continual presence is a roadblock for Steve/Sharon. Family ties aside, we've seen that Cap can't seem to shake his 1940's flame. It'll be sad if the only thing that causes Steve to move on with his life is Peggy's death.

That wasn't the point of the vision though, and wouldn't fit with the story told so far at all...
 
We can't have it both ways. If Sharon is a nobody, someone that means "zip" to Steve, then why make such an effort to set them up in TWS? If she means something to Steve, then she means something.

Included in the vision, Sharon could have represented hope, Steve's future, and an overdue reality check for Steve's lingering feelings for Peggy. It isn't Atwell's fault that she keeps being included in the MCU, but it is Marvel's. Her continual presence is a roadblock for Steve/Sharon. Family ties aside, we've seen that Cap can't seem to shake his 1940's flame.It'll be sad if the only thing that causes Steve to move on with his life is Peggy's death.


Yanno, I'm just naive enough to believe--expand my belief, that is-- that Steve's issue is that he can't move on in his life because the chasm he crossed from point x-1945 to point y-2011 (or whenever) was just too traumatic to adjust to fully. It's not alll about Peggy. There will always be the question of what is Steve's place in the world.

That may have been a character trait that is hardwired to the character as I see him. Even Skinny Steve, while bravely getting through life, losing both parents (apparently never knowing his father per MCU cannon), not getting the girl, initially denied the opportunity to validate...to prove his manhood and his humanity by a 4F rating, that Steve Rogers was having a crisis and couldn't move forward except through a war. He wasn't the least excited about dancing with the surplus of eligible women resulting from the war and decided to put all that off until after.

It was the end of the war and Peggy that symbolized his future. It was the loss of that and everything else he knew that has him blocked in the present.

Now he seems well-adjusted to technology and he's got his little pop culture list and he no longer dresses like the "greatest generation", but it still seems clear that he's in a world that is bewildering enough that he bravely gets through life one mission at a time, denying himself female --romantic -- companionship with the exception of his bedside friendship with Old Peggy. (As far as we know because you JUST KNOW that he would get propositioned on a regular basis. So...opportunities...just sayin')

He mourns what might have been. Yes, that includes Peggy, but also coming home, building a life in a time he knew and understood, seeing time and events unfold (the good and the bad) in what would have felt like a natural progression.

Now...

Anybody can fall in love at any time. Even comic book super heroes. And I accept that Staron is bound to happen because the stage has been set for adapting the relationship from the comics. We'll get Sharon just like we got Bucky and the Commandos and Sam and Red Skull and Zemo, etc. But it will not be the Staron that everyone who is a fan of it might want because it will be adapted and shaped by things that have preceded it in the MCU, just like every other character adaptation. I also doubt there will be a white catsuit involved.

The entire on/off cycling of their comic book relationship might be carried out to its logical conclusion over the course of this one movie. Or it might be a precious new beginnings arc to be continued over the next movies. I doubt the latter though because this train is moving kinda fast...they need to get to whatever they plan to get to.

Yes the Russos planned to use the character for some time now. It remains to be seen how the character will be used. Will it be to provide love/hope/happiness for Cap or to test his will/resolve/character in some way?

But, I have to say that when Peggy dies, it won't be a closure; it'll just be one more loss. Old Peggy was his friend. He may not have gotten the passion, but he got to live out the friendship. That was, to some degree, the closure.
 
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Eh, I don't buy it. Again, people like Peggy. I'm not sure why that means she should be done away with or not appear anymore just because Staron shippers think she somehow harms Sharon.

She's already dead. Appearing in flashbacks or a TV show doesn't hurt Sharon unless you believe Sharon is incapable of standing on her own as a character.

I actually don't ship Steggy or Staron, so I'm trying to approach this from a objective point of view.

Peggy herself doesn't harm Sharon's character in any way, but Sharon is going to need a large presence in future Marvel films to come close to the amount of exposure that Peggy has had. Peggy can have her own TV show, go her! Since I don't watch Agent Carter, my issue comes with the fact that, in the MCU, the majority of the times we have seen Peggy after TFA has been alongside Steve, and usually framed in a romantic way. This wouldn't be a problem if they weren't planning on setting up Steve with another woman in the near future. I don't want a hint of doubt regarding Cap's feelings for Sharon once CW introduces their relationship. Any chance that Cap is replacing Peggy or not over Peggy when dating Sharon isn't fair to Sharon. Respect both Sharon and Peggy, Marvel!

On a side note, it'll be interesting to see Peg in Ant Man, and I'm crossing my fingers they don't stick a Cap reference in there. Peggy, a founder and agent of SHIELD, can stand on her own.
 
I actually don't ship Steggy or Staron, so I'm trying to approach this from a objective point of view.

Peggy herself doesn't harm Sharon's character in any way, but Sharon is going to need a large presence in future Marvel films to come close to the amount of exposure that Peggy has had. Peggy can have her own TV show, go her! Since I don't watch Agent Carter, my issue comes with the fact that, in the MCU, the majority of the times we have seen Peggy after TFA has been alongside Steve, and usually framed in a romantic way. This wouldn't be a problem if they weren't planning on setting up Steve with another woman in the near future. I don't want a hint of doubt regarding Cap's feelings for Sharon once CW introduces their relationship. Any chance that Cap is replacing Peggy or not over Peggy when dating Sharon isn't fair to Sharon. Respect both Sharon and Peggy, Marvel!

On a side note, it'll be interesting to see Peg in Ant Man, and I'm crossing my fingers they don't stick a Cap reference in there. Peggy, a founder and agent of SHIELD, can stand on her own.

Well I can't help it I just love Steggy, :ilv: also I hear some people say that Fitz/Simmons is like Steggy 2.0 at the end of S2 people were saying but they had a date like Steggy!, I agree there are some parallels between them. Also [BLACKOUT]Hank is going up against Hydra in that flashback, something tells me Cap will be mention.[/BLACKOUT] :cwink:
 
Well I can't help it I just love Steggy, :ilv: also I hear some people say that Fitz/Simmons is like Steggy 2.0 at the end of S2 people were saying but they had a date like Steggy!, I agree there are some parallels between them. Also [BLACKOUT]Hank is going up against Hydra in that flashback, something tells me Cap will be mention.[/BLACKOUT] :cwink:

I don't dislike Steggy, but I don't actively ship them.

Peggy fought HYDRA herself! It would be nice for her to take some credit for the badass she is, Cap or no Cap.
 
I don't dislike Steggy, but I don't actively ship them.

Peggy fought HYDRA herself! It would be nice for her to take some credit for the badass she is, Cap or no Cap.

Yes I agree about Peggy fighting HYDRA, but also with [BLACKOUT]Hank fighting HYDRA in Berlin add with Janet and him working as a team against them it may remind Peggy of her and Steve.[/BLACKOUT] Who knows?
 
I don't watch Agent Carter, my issue comes with the fact that, in the MCU, the majority of the times we have seen Peggy after TFA has been alongside Steve, and usually framed in a romantic way. This wouldn't be a problem if they weren't planning on setting up Steve with another woman in the near future. I don't want a hint of doubt regarding Cap's feelings for Sharon once CW introduces their relationship. Any chance that Cap is replacing Peggy or not over Peggy when dating Sharon isn't fair to Sharon. Respect both Sharon and Peggy, Marvel!

On a side note, it'll be interesting to see Peg in Ant Man, and I'm crossing my fingers they don't stick a Cap reference in there. Peggy, a founder and agent of SHIELD, can stand on her own.
In TFA we see Steggy romantically. Then in TWS we see that their relationship has progressed to platonic with Peggy even encouraging Cap to get a life basically. But then Whedon had to take Steggy a step back into romance territory again in AoU, although I did enjoy their brief dance.

I agree, we need to see Peggy in Ant Man and Agent Carter on her own without any Cap romantic references.

I do wish we get a Sharon/Peggy scene in CW before her funeral discussing SHIELD and not Cap to show how important these Carter women are to each other.
 
In TFA we see Steggy romantically. Then in TWS we see that their relationship has progressed to platonic with Peggy even encouraging Cap to get a life basically. But then Whedon had to take Steggy a step back into romance territory again in AoU, although I did enjoy their brief dance.

I agree, we need to see Peggy in Ant Man and Agent Carter on her own without any Cap romantic references.

I do wish we get a Sharon/Peggy scene in CW before her funeral discussing SHIELD and not Cap to show how important these Carter women are to each other.

I don't think we will get a Sharon/Peggy scene, I could be wrong but this movie isn't call Sharon Carter or about Sharon, also the Russo's said this movie will pick up where TWS left off. Continuing Stucky, they said Bucky is all Steve got left of his old life, it seems the main focus of CW will be Stucky. :woot:
 
I don't think we will get a Sharon/Peggy scene, I could be wrong but this movie isn't call Sharon Carter or about Sharon, also the Russo's said this movie will pick up where TWS left off. Continuing Stucky, they said Bucky is all Steve got left of his old life, it seems the main focus of CW will be Stucky.
You maybe right. But I'd happily be surprised if they did. I mean Peggy was a huge influence on Sharon and she was closer to her aunt then to her parents.

Staron, Stucky, Steggy, Stony, I'm surprised no one's shipping Stam? :woot:

And since you love Steggy.
 
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You maybe right. But I'd happily be surprised if they did. I mean Peggy was a huge influence on Sharon and she was closer to her aunt then to her parents.

Staron, Stucky, Steggy, Stony, I'm surprised no one's shipping Stam? :woot:


StevexSam? oh yeah on Tumblr people ships Stam! there saying Sam took Sharon's place as Steve's romantic partner well at least until Bucky comes back, and which Tony will feel threated by them so here comes Civil War! Lol, also there saying Peter Parker is Stony son Lol. I love it Steggy :ilv:but to be on the safe side we may have to take it down from here since the movie hasn't been release you know bootleg scene? I don't want you to get into trouble. :yay:
 
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StevexSam? oh yeah on Tumblr people ships Stam! there saying Sam took Sharon's place as Steve's romantic partner well at least until Bucky comes back, and which Tony will feel threated by them so here comes Civil War! Lol, also there saying Peter Parker is Stony son Lol. I love it Steggy :ilv:but to be on the safe side we may have to take it down from here since the movie hasn't been release you know bootleg scene? I don't want you to get into trouble. :yay:
Well I don't have tumblr, and I haven't come across Stam on twitter at all. I've deleted it, don't forget too as well in the quote. Everyone wants a piece of Cap :wow: But not a lot of people are shipping Bruce, Thor, and Hawkeye.
 
Well I don't have tumblr, and I haven't come across Stam on twitter at all. I've deleted it, don't forget too as well in the quote. Everyone wants a piece of Cap :wow: But not a lot of people are shipping Bruce, Thor, and Hawkeye.

I did :yay: also they ship Hawkeye with Pietro they call it Hawksilver lol, also yep everyone wants Cap people ship him with Peggy, Bucky, Tony, Natasha, Sam, Sharon, Wanda, Pietro?, Vision?, Sif, Darcy, Skye, Simmons? May? Coulson, Hill, Loki?, Gamora?, Starlord?, Carol, really people ships him with everyone in the MCU, IW now it all makes sense Thanos is going to kill everyone so he can claim Cap as his own. Lol!
 
don't get tumblr's obsession with homosexual shipping
how weird would it be if someone shipped Northstar with Karma or something? Yet its perfectly normal to see BuckySteve, SamSteve, anyone with Steve really, apparently female fangirls really want Cap to be gay
 
don't get tumblr's obsession with homosexual shipping
how weird would it be if someone shipped Northstar with Karma or something? Yet its perfectly normal to see BuckySteve, SamSteve, anyone with Steve really, apparently female fangirls really want Cap to be gay

Yep but if there are any crazy fandom shippers it has to be the Harry Potter shippers they ship everyone with everyone. :woot:
 
Well of course people are going to be more for gay or bi ships than ships turning gay and bi characters straight since there's already very few actual gay and lesbian characters in the Marvel Universe.

It's the same way every clever attempt at a "Oh you're fine with Race Lifting Character X, but I bet you'd be pissed off if they cast a white person as Black Panther or Monica Rambeau!" analogy falls flat.
 
I get 'Stam' and 'Stucky' as they had a great friendship, but 'Hawksilver'? WTF?! What next, Pierce and Fury's love story? :oldrazz:

I get people liking Steggy, Clintasha etc. from the movies or comics but there are WAY to many ships in the Marvel fandom. Are these 'ships' the product of the imaginations of horny teenagers who are overcome by hormones? :cwink:
 
Eh. Shipping is stupid but it's really not any moreso than many of the other frequent topics of discussion in comic forums. If I ever have to see another "Who is stronger, Hulk or Thor?!" debate about the Avengers movies I'll eat a bullet.:oldrazz:
 
I don't understand all the random ships too. Like Steve and Bucky... To me they seem more like brothers? Then again, that hasn't stopped people from shipping Thor and Loki.
 
Eh. Shipping is stupid but it's really not any moreso than many of the other frequent topics of discussion in comic forums. If I ever have to see another "Who is stronger, Hulk or Thor?!" debate about the Avengers movies I'll eat a bullet.:oldrazz:

Hawkeye already answered this in the cartoon. "Hulk is stronger, Thor is prettier, now stop fighting." :cwink:
 
Eh. Shipping is stupid but it's really not any moreso than many of the other frequent topics of discussion in comic forums. If I ever have to see another "Who is stronger, Hulk or Thor?!" debate about the Avengers movies I'll eat a bullet.:oldrazz:

One thing I don't understand is the devotion towards specific ships. Some fans spend to much time on art and fiction for their ships (don't they have better things to do? Like school or work?), and get very pissy when criticised.

As a Hulk fan I get the urge to shoot someone when I see the ongoing 'Hulk vs. Thor' debate. I read a discussion about 'Hulk vs. Superman' recently - jeez, it was bad. :whatever:

Hawkeye already answered this in the cartoon. "Hulk is stronger, Thor is prettier, now stop fighting." :cwink:

Hawkeye wisdom prevails :woot:
 
Some people even ship Pietro/Wanda they call it Maxicest, and some even ship Ultron/Wanda Lol
 
I did :yay: also they ship Hawkeye with Pietro they call it Hawksilver lol, also yep everyone wants Cap people ship him with Peggy, Bucky, Tony, Natasha, Sam, Sharon, Wanda, Pietro?, Vision?, Sif, Darcy, Skye, Simmons? May? Coulson, Hill, Loki?, Gamora?, Starlord?, Carol, really people ships him with everyone in the MCU, IW now it all makes sense Thanos is going to kill everyone so he can claim Cap as his own. Lol!

Everyone wants Steve. :cwink:






Fan fiction slash shipping goes way back to the original run of Star Trek with Kirk/Spock.

As for people having better things to do - looks around message board devoted to superheros - pot meet kettle. Having better things to do is a claim that could be leveled at any hobby or pass time.
 
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