Iron Man 2 SHIELD/Avengers complaints...

I just rewatched TIH last night and that movie is so -as stated- vastly underrated. I think it's on par with IM and IM2. So to me, yes, Marvel is 3 for 3. You can't dispute someone's opinion and say it's wrong because one made less money at the box office. We're talking in terms of quality, not financial success.
 
I just rewatched TIH last night and that movie is so -as stated- vastly underrated. I think it's on par with IM and IM2. So to me, yes, Marvel is 3 for 3. You can't dispute someone's opinion and say it's wrong because one made less money at the box office. We're talking in terms of quality, not financial success.
Yep, yep. I'm not gonna lie, I like it a little more than IM1.
 
I just rewatched TIH last night and that movie is so -as stated- vastly underrated. I think it's on par with IM and IM2. So to me, yes, Marvel is 3 for 3. You can't dispute someone's opinion and say it's wrong because one made less money at the box office. We're talking in terms of quality, not financial success.

Like I said in my previous post...it was FUN.

I liked Ang Lee's for being a deeper and more psychological film but it wasn't really fun at all, TIH had that which in my eyes is important for a comic film...at least ones based on Marvel/DC properties.
 
i added a smile. i dont want to punch yourself for real.

I'm sincerely Sorry dark_b for to have been rude with you, I have taken your words too litteraly, I'm not fluent in english, so sometimes I have lot of problem to understand the jokes.

I'm sorry again Sir.
 
I liked both the Hulk films. Like Figs says, Ang Lee's was deeper but it was devoid of much fun and TIH was more in line with the Ironman movies. That said i never really cared much for Hulk. I'll have no problem if he is in the Avengers (Norton next to RDJ + Hulkbuster armour? Sign me up!) but i dont care for a sequel.
 
from what i remember TIH was rushed. right?
 
I think it actually may have been a little bit, yes. I don't remember where I read it, but I think it said the deadline restricted them a little. They didn't even have any footage at comic-con and their movie came out like a month after IM, so maybe.
 
from what i remember TIH was rushed. right?

Yeah and from what I've heard, not 70 minutes of footage was cut from the film, but the film was also 25 minutes shorter than what Leterrier and Norton wanted it to be.
 
TIH was a bit short. I needed more development scenes. I hope they can set some stuff up for a sequel in Avengers because some story lines and characters were completely underdeveloped.

Hulk has to talk more. If he is just going to be a dumb brute when he Hulks out, no one will relate to him. He can't just be a gorilla gone wild or King Kong in Avengers. Hopefully when he is captures by Loki/HYDRA in the Avengers movie, or the SHIELD, they increase his brain capacity so there can at least be some dialogue. Wouldn't hurt to bring back Hurt, Tyler, and the dude who played Sampson if Hulk has a big enough role in the Avengers.
 
In my opinion TIH was vastly more superior to the Ang Lee HULK......and I believe many critics and fanboys sold it short. It's a great companion piece to the 2 Iron Man movies.
 
TIH was a good Movie, but it lacked some of the drama I thought a Hulk Movie should have had. I was only watching a few minutes of Ang Lee's Hulk when it aired on TV a week back, and there was so much drama packed in those scenes when Bruce changed back after he saved Betty. There was more and better acted drama in those few minutes, between Bruce and Betty, than in the entirety of TIH. IMO at least.

I also liked the actors of Ross, especially his characterization, and Betty a whole lot more.
 
In my opinion TIH was vastly more superior to the Ang Lee HULK......and I believe many critics and fanboys sold it short. It's a great companion piece to the 2 Iron Man movies.

I thought it was superior too. I didn't like the pacing of Ang Lee's Hulk and it was very awkward.

TIH was a bit short. I needed more development scenes. I hope they can set some stuff up for a sequel in Avengers because some story lines and characters were completely underdeveloped.

Hulk has to talk more. If he is just going to be a dumb brute when he Hulks out, no one will relate to him. He can't just be a gorilla gone wild or King Kong in Avengers. Hopefully when he is captures by Loki/HYDRA in the Avengers movie, or the SHIELD, they increase his brain capacity so there can at least be some dialogue. Wouldn't hurt to bring back Hurt, Tyler, and the dude who played Sampson if Hulk has a big enough role in the Avengers.

I agree with this too, though. I think TIH would've distanced itself from Hulk a lot more Hulk talked more in TIH. He shouldn't be treated as if he was King Kong, but I felt at the same the time they were trying to have him talk more. Hopefully Whedon realizes this in his rewrites.
 
Spider-Fan, I also enjoyed The Incredible Hulk. Lot's of good stuff they packed in there...down to the nod to Bill Bixby to the inclusion of the TV show theme song (although all too briefly). And I credit Ed Norton for all that.

But back to the subject of this thread: I know it's a big task tying all these characters together for the Avengers movie eventually, but it feels a bit forced in my opinion, at times, and really not that well done. In my opinion. I think the Avengers could use some of Ed Norton's influence.

TIH did a great job of expanding the universe, and I actually thought it was developed fairly well. People act like it had zero character development, but I don't feel this is the case.

I just rewatched TIH last night and that movie is so -as stated- vastly underrated. I think it's on par with IM and IM2. So to me, yes, Marvel is 3 for 3. You can't dispute someone's opinion and say it's wrong because one made less money at the box office. We're talking in terms of quality, not financial success.

I agree that Marvel is 3 for 3 in terms of quality. I rate each IM film about a 9/10, and I give TIH a solid 8/10. It's not that far behind to me. I don't think it lacked as much depth as people seem to think it did. It wasn't as deep as the IM films or Ang's Hulk, but it maintained the Hulk spirit much more so and I feel like it did have character growth.

I think Thor and Cap will have more financial success than TIH did (and I'm pulling for them to do well and I expect them to), but in my opinion, TIH was a success in terms of quality.
 
TIH did a great job of expanding the universe, and I actually thought it was developed fairly well. People act like it had zero character development, but I don't feel this is the case.

I agree that Marvel is 3 for 3 in terms of quality. I rate each IM film about a 9/10, and I give TIH a solid 8/10. It's not that far behind to me. I don't think it lacked as much depth as people seem to think it did. It wasn't as deep as the IM films or Ang's Hulk, but it maintained the Hulk spirit much more so and I feel like it did have character growth.

I think Thor and Cap will have more financial success than TIH did (and I'm pulling for them to do well and I expect them to), but in my opinion, TIH was a success in terms of quality.

There was development. I wish they included the scene at the North Pole where Banner tries to kill himself.

Thats the thing. The Hulk has become a burden for Banner. He tries to live his life, but they always try to find him. He hates that the Hulk is inside him and wants to get rid of it. By the end of the film, he realizes he will never get into it and embraces the Hulk.

I rate it a 8/10, but if they kept some of the deleted scenes I would've definitely gave it a higher score. Also, I rate Iron Man a 9.5/10 and Iron Man 2 an 9/10
 
I think the fact it was a burden he was desperate to lose and he was slowly losing all hope was still developed well. We didn't need that scene really to get that across. The looks of defeat at every failed cure I think were enough to convey that.
 
I still think the North Pole would've just hammered the point in as it would've put him at the lowest of the lowest point.

Without it had shown he was desperate, but not that he had completely lost hope. He still had Mr. Blue. I just feel that the North Pole scene would've put no doubt in anyone's mind that he had lost his confidence and became hopeless.
 
He made it quite clear without the data, their was no hope for a cure. I'd say once he can't find the data, and we realize there is no cure for him, he lost all hope. I don't think we needed more development there. Sampson I think maybe needed more development, and maybe Blonksy needed a scene where we see more than he is a power hungry jerk. Other than that, I feel it was well developed.

I just don't feel the suicide metaphor would have added a lot more than what was already in the film. The suicide metaphor is just a sign of loss of hope, which we already plainly see he had.
 
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Well sure he lost hope but he didn't feel completely helpless with that scene. I still feel that the scene at the North Pole would've emphasized how powerless against the "curse" he had.
 
Marvel is 3 for 3 for me as well,TIH is way too under-appreciated imo.
 
Some of you are very kind to Hulk.
 
TIH was EXCELLENT, i do understand that unlike the other Marvel Universe heroes, the Hulk doesn't really have much dialogue, or at all for that matter- compared to Spider-Man and others in their movies. He's the anti-hero, even though he's always coming through for humankind in the end. With that said, the Hulk isn't as COOL as Spidey, or Iron Man to the non-comic fan. People can relate to Peter Parker and his real life worries in life, and the fact that he's a superhero with these fantastic powers make him ULTRA COOL. Same as Tony Stark, here's a guy who's a genius, incredibly wealthy, attrcative, and likes to have good time. People can relate to this character as well, because we all have fantasized about being a "Tony Stark"- but then throw in the fact that by horrible circumstances, he creates a suit of armor to save his life and thereby becomes a superhero. How many people ever wanted to be Bruce Banner? He's got mad emotional issues stemming from his childhood, from his father being a drunk- abusing him and his mother, ultimately killing her. Then he's a scientific genius, who creates the Gamma Bomb- which will change his life forever. The Hulk will only further complicated his life, and made him a fugitive by the military and superheroes alike because he was forever misunderstood. Even in reality, the Hulk is a misunderstood charcater. He's much more than a man transformed into a superhuman being, and i always felt he was the most interesting character in the Marvel Universe. But anyway, i just feel that they can't do an Avengers movie without the Hulk in it, especially when he's the reason for them coming together in the first place! Hopefully if and when another Hulk movie is done, maybe they'll consult Peter David on the script, being that he was the best writer ever to characterize him.
 
Some of you are very kind to Hulk.

I hope you are not very kind to GL if that turns out to be another run of the mill movie that underperforms relative to its budget. You come down hard on every Marvel film and that's fine. But you are officially on notice.
 
I'm getting the feeling that you don't like Marvel very much do you jmc?
 
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-they didnt need to have a BW action scene.
-we didnt need to get 3 scenes with Fury. first at the donut shop,then he helps him with the poison.and then again for the Avengers
-after credits scene has nothing to do with the mai ncharacter but with a character that comes out in 12 months. show me Tony and not some hammer


i payed money for iron man.now that i know that they want to force characters in other movies to promote Avengers i will maybe not pay money for Thor.

There was more Iron Man in this film than there was in the first one, I don't understand your issue.

The Fury scenes were so short and pivotal to the Iron Man universe, I think you should enjoy them. Tony Stark (and his father) were ALWAYS involved with Fury and SHIELD, always. Iron Man was also a founding member of the Avengers (which when that movie comes out you get (yep) more Iron man so YAY be happy).
 
I'm getting feeling that you don't like Marvel very much do you jmc?

He's probably mad that Joss Whedon took over the Avengers instead of his beloved Wonder Woman who's still and will always be in Development Hell.
 

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