Iron Man 2 SHIELD/Avengers complaints...

[LightningFlash]

Which is probably why Stark talks to General Ross. Maybe. To try to make Hulk an ally after he defeated the Abomination. And would prefer Hulk to be an ally instead of becoming a threat.

But it still doesn't answer my question though. Ross wanted to run tests on Banner and almost felt like a villain throughout the film. But now S.H.I.E.L.D. wants his services?

 

[Spider-Fan]

From a military perspective, the Hulk is a threat. In the Hulk film, Ross is a villain to the Hulk. To the Marvel world, who are afraid of the Hulk, the Hulk is the villain. Hence why they'd try and recruit Ross. To help neutralize a major threat.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Actually I forgot where this came from but the final scene with Norton smiling was meant to be ambiguous. It could've went either way. He could decide to become a hero or decide to become a villain. The same with Stark and Ross. You're both right, for now.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think that meant Banner is learning to control his Hulk transformations, not that he is becoming a hero/villain. SHIELD sees the Hulk as a threat, hence why they were helping Ross find Banner. I am willing to bet money the first official Avengers' mission is to take down Bruce Banner in the Avengers film. Because in the eyes of the military and SHIELD, the Hulk is a threat.

 

[roach]

I think we are looking at it all wrong though...why go to Ross to recruit the Hulk??? That would be like going to Hammer to recruit Iron Man. Ross is in chard of R&D for special weapons for the Army...evidenced by him being over the project that turned Banner into the Hulk and having easy access to the SSS. Having watched IM2 the idea popped in my head... what if the purpose of recruiting Ross was to make a new Captain America

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think they want to recruit Banner. They want to neutralize him. The Hulk cannot be controlled. He is a threat as long as he is free. Thus, the military doesn't want him as an ally. They want him in a prison.

 

[roach]

I don't think they want to recruit Banner. They want to neutralize him. The Hulk cannot be controlled. He is a threat as long as he is free. Thus, the military doesn't want him as an ally. They want him in a prison.

or maybe at the end they saw that it could be controlled somewhat

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think trying to extract Banner's blood and create their own Hulk's they can control would be a more realistic goal. With the way TIH ended, I don't think they want Banner on the team. They want the team to take Banner down and eliminate the threat. Hence why Ross is involved with the team, and they didn't go searching for Banner.

 

[roach]

I think trying to extract Banner's blood and create their own Hulk's they can control would be a more realistic goal. With the way TIH ended, I don't think they want Banner on the team. They want the team to take Banner down and eliminate the threat. Hence why Ross is involved with the team, and they didn't go searching for Banner.

my question is this...why would you want someone on the team to capture the Hulk when they failed to do so on 3 separate occasions in the film

 

[Spider-Fan]

Because he knows more about the Hulk than anyone else. He knows what Banner was doing when the Hulk is created. He knows how he travels from place to place and how to locate him. It's better to have an expert on a target on your team than going in blind on him. Ross knows Banner. He wants Banner. He will definitely provide them with what they need to know about Banner.

 

[roach]

Because he knows more about the Hulk than anyone else.
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He knows what Banner was doing when the Hulk is created.
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He knows how he travels from place to place and how to locate him.
I dont think he does
It's better to have an expert on a target on your team than going in blind on him. Ross knows Banner. He wants Banner. He will definitely provide them with what they need to know about Banner.

I think them recruting Ross had more to do with his capacity as the special weapons general for the army

 

[Tony Stark]

The way I see this playing out, is that initially the Avengers see the threat of the Hulk due to the devistation he caused in NYC. There were probably innocents killed.

Ross goes about spreading the lie that Banner was unauthorized in testing the Gamma radiation on himself, but in fact it was Ross who pushed him. Once Ross is caught lying then that turns the tide where the Avengers would try to help Banner.

If done right, the film could really be a character driven plot, with alot of introspect on how these characters deal with one another.

The big question though is, William Hurt, Ed Norton, and Robert Downey Jr. are in a league of their own. Can Hemsworth and Evans keep up with the big guns. I like what Hemsworth did in Star Trek, for as little screen time as he got, and I like Evans work to, but neither guy has been asked to carry a film.

If Marvel can pull this off, it will be the biggest accomplishement in the history of comics, and even in Cinema.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think Evans and Hems can. Hems stood out in Star Trek, and he was barely in it. Evans is also a consistant good actor in bad movies. I think both will be fine.

 

[Figs]

The big question though is, William Hurt, Ed Norton, and Robert Downey Jr. are in a league of their own. Can Hemsworth and Evans keep up with the big guns. I like what Hemsworth did in Star Trek, for as little screen time as he got, and I like Evans work to, but neither guy has been asked to carry a film.

Actually Evans carried the film Cellular for the most part. I skipped that for a long time thinking it was going to be horrible but wasn't that bad, definitely worth a one time watch if anything.

If Marvel can pull this off, it will be the biggest accomplishement in the history of comics, and even in Cinema.

Agreed. I'm not so sure about the in the history of cinema though but it comes close.

After having seen IM2 and remembering the scene after TIH. What does Ross mean when he says "you should talk" after Stark says to him "I hear you have an unusual problem". Obviously at that point Stark has overcome the paladium disease and stopped the drones and Vanko. So what exactly at that point is his "problem"?

Anyone have an idea what this could be referring to? I'm sure it doesn't involve Thor or Captain America since that would have been way too early to refer to them since the scripts weren't even written at that point(maybe Thor's was in the works but definitely not Captain America).

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Agreed. I'm not so sure about the in the history of cinema though but it comes close.

After having seen IM2 and remembering the scene after TIH. What does Ross mean when he says "you should talk" after Stark says to him "I hear you have an unusual problem". Obviously at that point Stark has overcome the paladium disease and stopped the drones and Vanko. So what exactly at that point is his "problem"?

Anyone have an idea what this could be referring to? I'm sure it doesn't involve Thor or Captain America since that would have been way too early to refer to them since the scripts weren't even written at that point(maybe Thor's was in the works but definitely not Captain America).

That scene in TIH takes place a month after the end of Iron Man 2 (because the last scene with Banner says 31 days without incident and I assumed they moved forward instead of backwards).

But like I said earlier, Ross was probably referring to the events of Iron Man 2. The drunken dancing, the company problems (demonstrated by Pepper Potts hiring and resignation), and the insanity at the Stark Expo.

But if I had to choose one thing, he's probably referring to the fact that he's Iron Man in general, even if it is six months later.

 

[Turtles]

Am I the only one who believes that some people are complaing just because Marvel has made it clear that they plan to make an Avengers movie?

If Marvel had never announced their plans to make an Avengers movie, then something tells me that people would have accepted SHIELD as part of the Iron Man universe, and thought the easter eggs and after-credits scene were just something special for comic book fans. But, because Marvel did announce their plans to make an Avengers movie, suddenly everything little thing becomes an advertisement for it. Anything that relates to the Avengers, no matter how remotely, suddenly becomes all about the Avengers. People refuse to accept the fact that things can relate to both Iron Man and the Avengers.

Just look at people's reactions to IM1, when the future of Marvel movies was still uncertain. People loved Nick Fury's appearance at the end, and they didn't mind that SHIELD popped up a few times, and they all paused their DVD's to see if they really could see Cap's shield in the background. But now that an Avengers movie (and Cap and Thor movies) is almost a guarantee, stuff like that sucks, and it takes too much focus off of Iron Man.

EDIT: As a side note, at the end of the first movie SHIELD fabricated Tony's aliby for the fight with Iron Monger, and it appeared as if they were about to fabricate the small plane crash that caused Obadiah's "death." Did people really think they were just going to disappear after that? Or that they would never interfer in Tony's life again?

 

[kedrell]

I tend to agree. People are used to a certain formula with superhero films and they get agitated when this is changed. All we've ever had before is tiny, tiny "blink and you'll miss them" throw away references for the fans that really never amounted to much at all. And most of the time we didn't even get those so people started to really have to read into things to get some sort of references(like people thinking Fox's comment about cats in TDK was a reference to Catwoman).

What Marvel is doing now is turning all that on it's head and some people take a while to get used to change.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Am I the only one who believes that some people are complaing just because Marvel has made it clear that they plan to make an Avengers movie?

If Marvel had never announced their plans to make an Avengers movie, then something tells me that people would have accepted SHIELD as part of the Iron Man universe, and thought the easter eggs and after-credits scene were just something special for comic book fans. But, because Marvel did announce their plans to make an Avengers movie, suddenly everything little thing becomes an advertisement for it. Anything that relates to the Avengers, no matter how remotely, suddenly becomes all about the Avengers. People refuse to accept the fact that things can relate to both Iron Man and the Avengers.

Just look at people's reactions to IM1, when the future of Marvel movies was still uncertain. People loved Nick Fury's appearance at the end, and they didn't mind that SHIELD popped up a few times, and they all paused their DVD's to see if they really could see Cap's shield in the background. But now that an Avengers movie (and Cap and Thor movies) is almost a guarantee, stuff like that sucks, and it takes too much focus off of Iron Man.

EDIT: As a side note, at the end of the first movie SHIELD fabricated Tony's aliby for the fight with Iron Monger, and it appeared as if they were about to fabricate the small plane crash that caused Obadiah's "death." Did people really think they were just going to disappear after that? Or that they would never interfer in Tony's life again?

I tend to agree. People are used to a certain formula with superhero films and they get agitated when this is changed. All we've ever had before is tiny, tiny "blink and you'll miss them" throw away references for the fans that really never amounted to much at all. And most of the time we didn't even get those so people started to really have to read into things to get some sort of references(like people thinking Fox's comment about cats in TDK was a reference to Catwoman).

What Marvel is doing now is turning all that on it's head and some people take a while to get used to change.

This.

 

[Chris B]

Personally, I didn't have a problem with the size of Nick Fury's or SHIELD's role. They complemented the story nicely, IMO, and not once did I feel like I was watching a two hour promo for the Avengers.

 

[Doc Samson]

Actually I forgot where this came from but the final scene with Norton smiling was meant to be ambiguous. It could've went either way. He could decide to become a hero or decide to become a villain. The same with Stark and Ross. You're both right, for now.

It definitely was meant to be left open to interpretation, and seeing as how the Avengers first assembled in the comics for a misguided confrontation with the Hulk, it would make sense for the movie to at least start that way, until the true villain is revealed, be it Loki or whoever else.

Actually, this is one instance where I think certain elements of the Ultimate Avengers could work. Banner/Hulk has always been a reluctant outcast in the group in the best of circumstances. I enjoyed how he was relegated to the background, and working on the Super Soldier Serum for S.h.i.e.l.d., eventually letting his jealousy and ego get the best of him. Just cut out the hyper-horny cannibal aspect, and we're on to something

 

[Doctor Jones]

I always saw how they could use the Hulk as a potential team member. Like the reason the League recruits Mr. Hyde in LXG.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Personally, I didn't have a problem with the size of Nick Fury's or SHIELD's role. They complemented the story nicely, IMO, and not once did I feel like I was watching a two hour promo for the Avengers.

Agreed. I thought it was just fantastic. I mean, there has to be some build up to the Avengers, and this balanced it greatly.

 

[Rock Sexton]

It definitely was meant to be left open to interpretation, and seeing as how the Avengers first assembled in the comics for a misguided confrontation with the Hulk, it would make sense for the movie to at least start that way, until the true villain is revealed, be it Loki or whoever else.

Actually, this is one instance where I think certain elements of the Ultimate Avengers could work. Banner/Hulk has always been a reluctant outcast in the group in the best of circumstances. I enjoyed how he was relegated to the background, and working on the Super Soldier Serum for S.h.i.e.l.d., eventually letting his jealousy and ego get the best of him. Just cut out the hyper-horny cannibal aspect, and we're on to something

Well let's remember one thing: Norton's Banner didn't want the Hulk weaponized. That could play a role in the Avengers as Fury and Co. attempt to recruit him, even though S.H.I.E.L.D. is more of a good faithed operation. He was dedicated to finally ridding himself of the Hulk.

What's interesting to think about it he has 31 days without incident. We we don't know in what context he was sitting in that room, although it appeared to be quite innocent as he was just meditating.

This makes the interpretation of the ending a little bit harder. To me, it was a very devious look he gave. Either he has suddenly learned to turn it on when he wants or it was to show us that the Hulk inside of him can't yet be controlled .... not even by meditation and special breathing.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I had no problem with the amount of foreshadowing to The Avengers or the larger role S.H.I.E.L.D. played in this film. Because this is an integral part of Iron Man's mythology , He's a founding member of The Avengers with Captian America & Thor . Stark is directly connected to S.H.I.E.L.D. since most of their weapons were designs as well as their H.Q. in the sky the the Helicarrier.

 

[Robin91939]

Question about Thor real quick....

In English, phonetically, how do you spell and or pronounce: Mjollnir?

-R