Iron Man 2 SHIELD/Avengers complaints...

[Mrs. Sawyer]

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[Frank Castle 4]

It seems somewhat logical that when Avengers starts, Stark could still be in his role as "consultant" and producing tech for the Avengers to use. I think any number of scenarios could come up that would cause him to not listen to Fury, suit up in the armor and come out to assist as Iron Man.

 

[Nathan]

That's exactly what I am thinking is going to happen. Tony will stay as a consultant, maybe they'll even make Rhodey a part of the Avengers at first, since Natasha's report says Iron Man, Yes. Tony, No. So we'll probably have Rhodey be part of the team as War Machine, maybe he'll even don the Iron Man armor, and later, when **** hits the fan, Tony will join the battle as Iron Man.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

I saw it after I had heard people complaining about too much S.H.I.E.L.D. and still thought they were used an appropriate amount. The only problem I had was with how long that section of the movie took. After I got that he was making vibranium I was ready to move on but it took too long for him to make it. All the way through the map thing and him synthesizing it I felt like I was 3 steps ahead of the movie.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Fury and SHIELDs involvement can be summed up in one sentence.

They came in to give Tony a kick up the arse and make him realize what his responsibilities are.

 

[Figs]

That's exactly what I am thinking is going to happen. Tony will stay as a consultant, maybe they'll even make Rhodey a part of the Avengers at first, since Natasha's report says Iron Man, Yes. Tony, No. So we'll probably have Rhodey be part of the team as War Machine, maybe he'll even don the Iron Man armor, and later, when **** hits the fan, Tony will join the battle as Iron Man.

No. I think they should keep Rhodey the hell away from the Avengers film. Save him for IM3 but even then don't have him in it all that much since it is an IM film after all. Putting Rhodey/WM in the Avengers would be stupid and take time away from the main 4.

Fury and SHIELDs involvement can be summed up in one sentence.

They came in to give Tony a kick up the arse and make him realize what his responsibilities are.

Very true. I hope in the Avengers film he is a full part of the team at that point. I think it would be lame to have him still as a consultant who says **** it and helps out in battle against Fury's orders.

 

[roach]

I think when the merde hits the fan they are going to make Tony a full member cause they need him

 

[BestGirl]

I saw it after I had heard people complaining about too much S.H.I.E.L.D. and still thought they were used an appropriate amount. The only problem I had was with how long that section of the movie took. After I got that he was making vibranium I was ready to move on but it took too long for him to make it. All the way through the map thing and him synthesizing it I felt like I was 3 steps ahead of the movie.

I actually found the search for the new element to be interesting, so the movie never dragged for me. What I didn't like about SHIELD was that it introduced two more characters into what was already a crowded movie, and there wasn't enough time to develop those characters, especially Black Widow.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

That's exactly what I am thinking is going to happen. Tony will stay as a consultant, maybe they'll even make Rhodey a part of the Avengers at first, since Natasha's report says Iron Man, Yes. Tony, No. So we'll probably have Rhodey be part of the team as War Machine, maybe he'll even don the Iron Man armor, and later, when **** hits the fan, Tony will join the battle as Iron Man.

Plus it makes sense from a budget point of view. They won't have to pay as much for special effects if Tony Stark's not in armor as much. Imo there's no way that he won't suit up as Iron Man in the Avengers. That would be incredibly stupid on Marvel's part.

I'm still mixed on Rhodey being in the Avengers, but I would lean towards no because I would want only one armored hero for at least the first Avengers.

 

[Figs]

I actually found the search for the new element to be interesting, so the movie never dragged for me. What I didn't like about SHIELD was that it introduced two more characters into what was already a crowded movie, and there wasn't enough time to develop those characters, especially Black Widow.

I didn't find the movie to be bloated at all. That's one thing Favreau handled really well. He had quite a few characters but didn't try to have them all as the focus in the film, much like what Nolan did with the multiple villains in Batman Begins. That's why I stand by what I said in the past in regards to the people knocking this film are heavily exaggerating big time when they ***** about Happy, Nick Fury, agent Coulson and Black Widow taking up a quarter of the film.

Really the only actual complaint I had was that they should have used a tad bit less humour and made the scenes that should have been more serious more dramatic and a bit longer. Primarily his issue with the Paladium poisoning and I think they should have had another scene where he gets really drunk but on a more serious level than the birthday party scene(which I enjoyed and found to be fun).

The SHIELD stuff was perfectly fine and didn't bog down the movie for me but that's probably because i'm a fan of the comics so it was great seeing this film have so many nods and characters that interact with Stark.

I also have to agree with Turtle in regards to the reverse *****ing. Just another example that shows how Fanboys don't know what they want and usually are never happy. As Turtle said, most people were excited that Fury was at the end of IM and couldn't wait to see more. Well now they gave us more and so many people are *****ing and whining. Pick a side fanboys and stick with it.

 

[Travesty]

I didn't find the movie to be bloated at all. That's one thing Favreau handled really well. He had quite a few characters but didn't try to have them all as the focus in the film, much like what Nolan did with the multiple villains in Batman Begins. That's why I stand by what I said in the past in regards to the people knocking this film are heavily exaggerating big time when they ***** about Happy, Nick Fury, agent Coulson and Black Widow taking up a quarter of the film.

I also didn't find IM2 to be crowded, and I'm not a 'diehard' IM-fan. But I don't see your example of BB, as I didn't find that movie crowded, but did find TDK to be way to crowded for the running time of the movie. See, that's one thing I liked about IM2- even though there were new characters introduced, the movie was still centered around IM and Tony Stark. Why do we need to get into Black Widow, or Fury, etc? The movie is about Iron Man, and it did a good job at keeping it a Iron Man movie, while still juggling new characters in the mix. Movies like TDK, couldn't properly juggle Joker, Batman, Rachel Dawes, Dent/Two-Face, Gordon, etc. The pace and story felt so rushed, because it had to many characters that it needed to flesh out, instead of keeping it about Batman.

Really the only actual complaint I had was that they should have used a tad bit less humour and made the scenes that should have been more serious more dramatic and a bit longer. Primarily his issue with the Paladium poisoning and I think they should have had another scene where he gets really drunk but on a more serious level than the birthday party scene(which I enjoyed and found to be fun).

I didn't have a problem with the humor, but I do see what you're saying about the more dramatic scenes, and agree with that.

The SHIELD stuff was perfectly fine and didn't bog down the movie for me but that's probably because i'm a fan of the comics so it was great seeing this film have so many nods and characters that interact with Stark

And like I've said before, I'm not a huge IM-fan, but I still didn't mind the SHIELD stuff. I didn't feel like it interrupted to much of the storyline, but I need to see the movie again to judge for sure.

 

[FaT_tONle]

The only Avengers stuff was the Cap shield and the final scene, which was basically a TIH scene. Why were people not complaining about Stark showing up in a Hulk movie? Yeah we didn't need SLJ there, but at least he helped drive the plot forward regarding helping Tony find the answer. My initial thoughts, when I heard the SHIELD was heavily involved, were that they were going to cut to scenes at SHIELD headquarters featuring all SHIELD members that set up Avengers threats and have nothing to do with IM and his main supporting characters. Once Rhodey took off I was like, "Let me load the gun and hoist it closer to my mouth" because I thought it would be a SHIELD movie right then and there. That was anything but the case.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I actually found the search for the new element to be interesting, so the movie never dragged for me. What I didn't like about SHIELD was that it introduced two more characters into what was already a crowded movie, and there wasn't enough time to develop those characters, especially Black Widow.

Why would they need to be developed? They were minor characters, like Maroni and Gambol were in TDK. There is not much to tell anyway. I'm sure we'll see more of them in the upcoming Marvel films.

 

[Figs]

I also didn't find IM2 to be crowded, and I'm not a 'diehard' IM-fan. But I don't see your example of BB, as I didn't find that movie crowded, but did find TDK to be way to crowded for the running time of the movie. See, that's one thing I liked about IM2- even though there were new characters introduced, the movie was still centered around IM and Tony Stark.

That's kind of what I meant. I also didn't find BB to be crowded at all. I was comparing the two because they both had quite a few characters but both Nolan and Favreau balanced it well. With TDK I agree with you about it not truly being balanced with all those characters.

I didn't have a problem with the humor, but I do see what you're saying about the more dramatic scenes, and agree with that.

It's not that I didn't like the humour but the film running at roughly 2 hours, I think it could have benfited with 5-10 more minutes used for more serious/dramatic scenes mixed in. It would have made the film a bit more solid.

 

[Doctor Jones]

But not Demon in a Bottle tone right? I could see what you mean if that's the case. But I think the film benefitted from not going down the straight up DIAB route.

 

[Travesty]

It's not that I didn't like the humour but the film running at roughly 2 hours, I think it could have benfited with 5-10 more minutes used for more serious/dramatic scenes mixed in. It would have made the film a bit more solid.

I see what you're saying, and I can agree with that.

That's kind of what I meant. I also didn't find BB to be crowded at all. I was comparing the two because they both had quite a few characters but both Nolan and Favreau balanced it well. With TDK I agree with you about it not truly being balanced with all those characters.

Ahhhh, I must have misread what you said, my bad.

 

[Mr. Earle]

It's not that I didn't like the humour but the film running at roughly 2 hours, I think it could have benfited with 5-10 more minutes used for more serious/dramatic scenes mixed in. It would have made the film a bit more solid.

I agree.

No. I think they should keep Rhodey the hell away from the Avengers film. Save him for IM3 but even then don't have him in it all that much since it is an IM film after all. Putting Rhodey/WM in the Avengers would be stupid and take time away from the main 4.

I agree. There could be a line from Tony like "i left Rhodey to keep an eye on things while i'm gone" and that would explain why WM isnt in the Avengers. Though if the team is facing someone like Hulk, i'd imagine that they'd want to throw at him everything and everyone they've got.

 

[the dmg]

No. I think they should keep Rhodey the hell away from the Avengers film. Save him for IM3 but even then don't have him in it all that much since it is an IM film after all. Putting Rhodey/WM in the Avengers would be stupid and take time away from the main 4.

I don't want War Machine, but it would be good to include Rhodey in the movie as a cameo. Maybe Stark tries to recruit him, but Rhodey refuses because of his loyalty to the United States military.

 

[Nathan]

No. I think they should keep Rhodey the hell away from the Avengers film. Save him for IM3 but even then don't have him in it all that much since it is an IM film after all. Putting Rhodey/WM in the Avengers would be stupid and take time away from the main 4.

Of course I don't want the focus taken away from the main 4, but with Iron Man 2 ending and saying that Tony basically isn't qualified for the Avengers, I wanna see why he gets to join the team after all in the Movie and not just have him a full fledged member from the start, even though they said he can't be part of the team.

There doesn't even need to be much focus on Rhodey, he could be treated like a soldier in a suit, who gets advice and orders from Tony. Rhodey could even be taken out quickly, if you have him get severly injured on their first mission, so ge can't resume duty.

It just would make sense from a story standpoint. They have the suit, they want Iron Man on the team, but not Tony. Do you think Fury would say "Ok, since Stark won't be part of the team, we're not going to have an armored member on the team at all, even though he would be highly valuable on the field. Doesn't matter if anyone could wear the armor."

 

[Mr. Earle]

Ironman's biggest weapon arent his repulsors, but Tony's brain. I think Fury is just playing hard to get so that Tony will take it seriously. Does anyone think that after all the trouble he caused in IM2 that Shield would welcome Tony in their ranks?

 

[the dmg]

Ironman's biggest weapon arent his repulsors, but Tony's brain. I think Fury is just playing hard to get so that Tony will take it seriously. Does anyone think that after all the trouble he caused in IM2 that Shield would welcome Tony in their ranks?

Well, I don't think it was so Tony would take things seriously, I think Fury did it to hit Tony where it counts...his ego. Now that they don't want him on the team, do you think Tony is going to sit there while other heroes get to have fun and get the attention?

 

[Mr. Earle]

No, he is going to clear his act so that Fury will accept him in the Avengers. He cant force himself in the team.

 

[the dmg]

No, he is going to clear his act so that Fury will accept him in the Avengers. He cant force himself in the team.

I never said he was going to force himself on the team. He can't have it, and now he wants it.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

Yeah, I agree about Black Widow being way under developed, but i don't know if I cared much because i figure she'll get more screen time in some other movie.

 

[Nathan]

You know, it's not like they could actually stop Tony from helping out as Iron Man if he wanted to. The armors are in his workshop and he'd still do some random hero deeds as Iron Man anyway.

I can already see it, the Avengers are on their first Mission and when the fighting starts, you suddenly see Iron Man entering the combat area.

Fury: "Damn it Stark! We told you're not part of the Avengers."

Tony: "I know. This is merely a team-up. Iron Man and the Avengers. I can't just stand by and watch when there's trouble in my neighbourhood. I wouldn't be a responsible hero."

Fury: "This ain't your neighbourhood! This isn't even the same country we're in! Goddamnit... At least don't make a bigger mess out of things."

Tony: "Roger that."