shooting at an oregon community college, at least 10 dead

[Black Narcissus]

I made the mistake of briefly turning on Fox news for this.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Obama looked legitimately frustrated and just exhausted by this. Can you even imagine if he has to give this speech AGAIN in a few months?

I'm sure it is uncomfortable for President Obama or any President to have these things uncontrollable by them, start to be associated with their time in the White House. Some people recognize the shootings and such as something more frequent under his term than in past Presidents terms, and Obama literally has no control over this stuff happening.

 

[KevanG]

I'll be honest, living in Georgia is extremely scary going to just a store when people walk around strapped. concealed fine, but i really don't want to sit there and pick out some vegetables next to a guy with a pistol on his waist

I'm sure the question, "Why would you be nervous if you have nothing to hide?" coming from an armed guy is always fun.

 

[Reek]

it's weird cause you cant walk around with a knife drawn... but can carry a gun on your hip... what's easier? stabbing somoene up close or shooting them from any distance?

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I'm sure it is uncomfortable for President Obama or any President to have these things uncontrollable by them, start to be associated with their time in the White House. Some people recognize the shootings and such as something more frequent under his term than in past Presidents terms, and Obama literally has no control over this stuff happening.

Got to look at both sides right? The President sets the tone, so when Bin Laden was killed and when the economy started improving some Obama got some credit. Did he personally have direct involvement with those things? Debatable, and not at all concerning Bin Laden most likely. There is an association though based on it happening under his Presidency. So with the increased frequency of mass shootings and the racially related shooting events that ended up in cities getting looted/burned, do we just absolve him of that portion? I think you have to take some of the credit and some of the blame as commander and chief.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Websites are starting to show the shooter's pictures and online profiles. While they do give some view into who he was, they also paint the picture of a man who's full of contradictions and oddities. He's originally from Torrance, CA but moved with family to the Roseburg area a few years ago. It's still unconfirmed if he was or wasn't a student at the community. He lists that he's of mixed race and judging from his pictures and names, I'd say likely half black/half white. He says his views are conservative and Republican but doesn't believe in organized religion and is more into spirituality. He also seemed to have some interests in the occult. He had posted pictures of support for the IRA but also written statements supporting Black Lives Matter and Vester Flanagan, the VA news shooter. Much of this information is from a dating site profile where he even said he's never had a girlfriend.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/chris...photos-twitter-social-media-facebook-youtube/

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

it's weird cause you cant walk around with a knife drawn... but can carry a gun on your hip... what's easier? stabbing somoene up close or shooting them from any distance?

That's a good point (sorry about the pun)

 

[ThePhantasm]

reports are saying he only killed female Christians

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

He was possibly inspired by Vester Flanagan it say in that article, oh boy...

 

[Webfoot Hero]

reports are saying he only killed female Christians

The more that comes out about him and his shooting rampage, the more it sounds similar to the shooting at UC-Santa Barbara by Elliott Rodger.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Got to look at both sides right? The President sets the tone, so when Bin Laden was killed and when the economy started improving some Obama got some credit. Did he personally have direct involvement with those things? Debatable, and not at all concerning Bin Laden most likely. There is an association though based on it happening under his Presidency. So with the increased frequency of mass shootings and the racially related shooting events that ended up in cities getting looted/burned, do we just absolve him of that portion? I think you have to take some of the credit and some of the blame as commander and chief.

He gave the direct order as to whether that Special Ops team went in to take OBL out. He was directly involved. To say otherwise is silly. The United States Military is under civilian control. They do not under take missions and operations under their own accord, and with THAT particular mission the decision to do it the, in the way that they did rested with the President.

 

[Marvolo]

it's weird cause you cant walk around with a knife drawn... but can carry a gun on your hip... what's easier? stabbing somoene up close or shooting them from any distance?

Carrying a gun holstered is not the same as an open knife. If people walked around stores carrying the gun in their hand with a bullet in the chamber then yeah itd be similar. And you can actually carry a knife most places. I carry my razor blade utility knife on my hip everywhere I go. And Ive carried some sort of knife on me everytime I leave the house since I was 15. For the record its not because I feel threatened. A knife just comes in handy.

As for concealed or open carry, the sight of a gun doesnt scare me. As long as the gun is secure in the holster its not a big deal to me. You mention you dont mind when its carried concealed, but a gun can be drawn and fired from an in-waist band holster about as quickly as from a hip holster so you are no more safe if its concealed than if its out in the open.

Frankly Id rather be able to clearly see who is carrying and what the person is carrying.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

When the mission is to kill Bin Laden, I'd hope when they have him cornered the President would order to finish the mission. It's like when you order a burger, do you really need someone to tell you to eat it?

 

[Thundercrack85]

But that's how politics work. Something terrible happens on your watch, its your fault. Even if you're not directly responsible. If something great happens you take credit.

 

[Reek]

Carrying a gun holstered is not the same as an open knife. If people walked around stores carrying the gun in their hand with a bullet in the chamber then yeah itd be similar. And you can actually carry a knife most places. I carry my razor blade utility knife on my hip everywhere I go. And Ive carried some sort of knife on me everytime I leave the house since I was 15. For the record its not because I feel threatened. A knife just comes in handy.

As for concealed or open carry, the sight of a gun doesnt scare me. As long as the gun is secure in the holster its not a big deal to me. You mention you dont mind when its carried concealed, but a gun can be drawn and fired from an in-waist band holster about as quickly as from a hip holster so you are no more safe if its concealed than if its out in the open.

Frankly Id rather be able to clearly see who is carrying and what the person is carrying.

I'm not sure how you are comparing a knife to a gun, unless you are a ninja and can throw a single knife multiple times at anyone from any distance.

 

[Teelie]

Took virtually no time at all for people to start looking to assign blame to people who did not pull the trigger on this one.

 

[Raiden]

I love it when another school shooting happened and instead of trying to find a solution to this escalating problem, people would try to find excuses to keep the status quo so they can do nothing. They want everybody to accept school shooting as if it's just another ballgame or another episode from a sitcom, instead of a tragedy that claims young, innocent lives. I'm rather sick of it.

 

[Sawyer]

I love it when another school shooting happened and instead of trying to find a solution to this escalating problem, people would try to find excuses to keep the status quo so they can do nothing. They want everybody to accept school shooting as if it's just another ballgame or another episode from a sitcom, instead of a tragedy that claims young, innocent lives. I'm rather sick of it.

BUT TEH GUNZ WE NEED TEH GUNZ EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TEH GUNZ SO NONE OF THIS WOULD EVER HAPPEN!!!!!!1!

Yeah, because creating an environment where the idea has been put into our heads that having a gun at all times is the only way to be safe won't be a problem at all.

 

[gap5ewl]

After reading this guy and the Virginia Reporter Shooter's writings, I'm starting to think there is a correlation with recent mass shootings/incidents of violence, and the media's incessant need to show every detail and picture of these individuals. Both of these men make mention of previous well known shooters, with the Virginia shooter in particular giving praise. I feel like with our generations growing obsession with fame thanks to social media, certain people who feel like the world is out to get them, or are in not in the right frame of mind, see the notoriety and infamy previous killers get and want it.

I think if if the killers are in custody, or have been killed, media/news outlets at all levels should refrain from releasing information on these individuals. I mean, look at these examples:

-Virginia Tech Shooter: Sends pictures, a manifesto, and video of himself to a major news outlet explaining his reasoning. Every news channel, including the one he sends it to, releases everything for the world to see.

-Boston Marathon Bomber: A major magazine publication, Rolling Stone, puts the surviving bombers social media selfie picture on their cover. That still boggles me

-LA Cop Shooter: Another guy who sent out a giant manifesto explaining his actions. Released all over the media

-Virginia Reporter Shooter: Manifesto sent to news station, video he captures of shooting uploaded to social media. News outlets show manifesto, parts of video all over the place.

-Santa Barbara Shooter: This person made several Youtube videos discussing his views. Videos taken down, but media outlets still plaster them on every report about the shooting.

There was also a story about how "groupies" formed on websites like Tumblr because they thought the Aurora Shooter and the Boston Bomber looked attractive in their mugshot/selfie that was released in to the media.

I know in the advent of the social media age, it's almost impossible to prevent such information from trickling out online. However, I think at the very least, news channels, shows, publications and websites should be prevented from releasing all this info; they are glorifying what these killers have done.

 

[Teelie]

Nothing new there. It has been widely known but surpressed mostly by the media that their very coverage often inspires or motivates others to follow suit.

 

[Octoberist]

This rings true to me:

 

[ThePhantasm]

I get the "call the Republicans out on hypocrisy" rants, but I'm not sure how they help. The final point there, unfortunately, remains true on a pragmatic level... criminals can and often do acquire guns through less than legal means, and America is a much more difficult country in which to enforce a national gun ban than, say, my home country of the UK.

 

[Cobblepot]

Strange. I figured a college would have armed officers on hand.

Isn't that ridiculous? Why would there be a need for armed officers at a school campus?

And you guys still wonder why most US cops are triggerhappy? It's because they want to shoot first incase they get shot. I'm pretty sure if yoy lived in a state where it's legal to carry, you would think twice at stopping an assailant without the use arms.

More guns don't help. You need to adress the underlying issue. If let's say 70% of all the arms currently in the US would be gone, wouldn't you feel safer?

This is not a question towards Victarion, I just found his quote curious.

 

[Destructus86]

As long as the American people choose guns over lives this will just keep happening so we shouldn't be shocked by it. After all, we lead the way in gun related homicides. Our homicide rate is that of a third world country. Or Mexico...which may as well be a third world country with all the gangs running it.

We should be taking lessons from less violent developed nations. When our homicides rate are more than triple that of other nations you have to wonder why.

 

[Destructus86]

Every tragedy is an excuse for both sides to spark debate. I hate to say it, but I do feel some secretly are glad they happen as it gives them a reason to get on their soapbox. If it made a difference, I wouldn't be as cynical.

Well, I suppose we could just ignore the issue on why this sort of thing happens in vastly higher numbers than any other developed country in the world.