Should Marvel take a "break" like dc?

[Kotagg]

There's a good point in what you say; generally gradual character development is more fulfilling than instantaneous "event"-type situations. There has been quite a bit of the latter lately.

 

[Dr.Doom]

Ahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

Marvel wants your wallet stretched. WILL NOT HAPPEN IN A MILLION YEARS!

im still laughin that you sed it


seriously, lmao
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wow, what an idiot

 

[deemar325]

Marvel just has bad organizational skills these days. It's like they're rushing things all the time to compete with DC or for whatever reason would make them rush, I'm not completely sure.

I read most of the Infinite Crisis stuff and the continuity and flow of the entire story was so well done. Why? Because the writers, artists, and editors were always on the same page and knowing who is doing what to whom, when, where, and why.

Marvel is like...the opposite. It's like one writer does one thing. The other another thing. Then another writer does something that makes the two other things that were done look like classical moments in comic history.

You can't just blame Joe Quesada for it. But you can definitely say he's part of the problem.

So far with Civil War I've seen some strong continuity and some better connections. So far. SO FAR. How many flubs are we going to have later down the road?

House of M was a good crossover just contained in the mini. But once you stepped into all the other tie in's it was like, "Huh?" This doesn't make sense. Read the House of M miniseries and read the Spider-Man House of M miniseries. They don't make sense with one another.

Marvel doesn't need to do what DC did. DC is a different type of universe where they can do those types of things with their characters.

All Marvel needs to do is realize what made them such a great attraction in the industry...and that's to have a strong continuity among the books and to keep the stories simple. Nothing worse than trying to make something more complicated than it already is. Hence why such stories as Sins Past and The Other in the Spidey front were such bad stories...trying to add too much to something that didn't need added to.

F--king A! I actually agree with SpideyTree!!!

 

[daveswb]

Titles get canceled and new ones start all the time.
When I start reading comics Spider-man there was Amazing, Web of and Spectacular. Then Spider-Man was started by McFarlane. Today there is Amazing, sensational, freindly neighborgood, MJ loves, and ultimate.

in 10 more years there will be Amazing and a slew of different titles. No big deal either way.

As for contuity Marvel seems to do a much better job than DC on that vien.

Though Kevin Smith said it best. Comics are like Soap Operas if you don't like what's going on at the moment wait a few months and things will go back to the way the were.

 

[deemar325]

Kevin Smith also can't be bothered to stay on schedule either.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I heard it was a complete mess and you needed to be a fanboy to understand anything. All the Kal-el and Kal-Ls and conner kents and superboys and super-primes. its bloody ridiculous. at least at marvel u can jump on pretty easily. i read a few young justices when i used to collect as well as spidey books. came back with some more adult titles (walking dead, powers) and then back to spidey quite recently and i've caught up, but im so bloody confused about superboy. all i know is he got his powers back and died. great. DC shoulda retconned -- i know ppl dont like it -- WITHOUT having an in-universe explanation with "crisis". Marvel's sliding timeline system is so well-worked. sure, recently things have been messed up, but it was mainly the whole mutant thing being put into order and Queseda gettin power hungry with spidey.

As a rule marvel makes far more sense with its system and the sales reflect this. marvel rules, as ever.

ps (everybody buy powers/ walking dead/ hunter killer -- bendis, kirkman and silvestri at their best!)

You didn't need to be a fanboy or a DC Universe expert to enjoy the story. I never read Crisis on Infinite Earths, which Infinite Crisis was pretty much a sequel to, and I followed along things just fine. If anything Infinite Crisis got me interested in some of the smaller DC characters in the universe. The story was...you know...an actual story instead of an event that was put together half assed. *cough House of M *Cough*

All the Kal-El's? There were two Supermen in the story. The Superman in current DC continuity. And Superman of Earth 2 who is basically the Golden Age Superman. There was Superboy, of the regular DC universe. And Superboy Prime, who was basically one of the main bad guys in the mini. It's not confusing once you sit down and read the book.

DC got me interested in characters I never though existed. Marvel can barely get fans to stay into characters that they've loved for decades! So, there's the difference.

 

[Dread]

You didn't need to be a fanboy or a DC Universe expert to enjoy the story. I never read Crisis on Infinite Earths, which Infinite Crisis was pretty much a sequel to, and I followed along things just fine. If anything Infinite Crisis got me interested in some of the smaller DC characters in the universe. The story was...you know...an actual story instead of an event that was put together half assed. *cough House of M *Cough*

All the Kal-El's? There were two Supermen in the story. The Superman in current DC continuity. And Superman of Earth 2 who is basically the Golden Age Superman. There was Superboy, of the regular DC universe. And Superboy Prime, who was basically one of the main bad guys in the mini. It's not confusing once you sit down and read the book.

DC got me interested in characters I never though existed. Marvel can barely get fans to stay into characters that they've loved for decades! So, there's the difference.

I agree on this point.

 

[Badfish40oz]

Yeah, I love how people bash Marvel for retconning, yet now you call for them to go DC's route and "start over." If that's not the DEFINITION of retconning, I don't know what is.

I can't even get into DC's storylines because I know eventually they won't matter. You don't even know what's real. How a company can to declare years worth of stories meaningless with a "crisis" and be PRAISED for it is beyond me. If Marvel pulled that kind of thing fanboys would be outside their offices with TORCHES and wooden stakes.

I mean, can you imagine a "Hulk Prime" or two Spidermans running around. It's just silly. Marvel is doing alright.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I mean, can you imagine a "Hulk Prime" or two Spidermans running around. It's just silly. Marvel is doing alright.

We already know what it's like with two Spider-Men running around. And the consensus of Spider-Man fans couldn't stomach an exact replica of Peter Parker replacing Peter Parker.

So, there ya go.

 

[Ben Urich]

No offense, really, but I'm SO glad that you're not in Joey Q's place. I would like nothing LESS than for Marvel to revert back to what it was ten years ago. Why is it that so many people are against progress?

I'm not against progress, but progress for progress' sake isn't really progress at all.

 

[Gilpesh]

I hope that Marvel will have a 'Crisis' event that will clear up all the events in the MU (If they already did what the heck was it supposed to be?). Just so there is a single, solid time-line down for everyone to go by.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I can't even get into DC's storylines because I know eventually they won't matter. You don't even know what's real. How a company can to declare years worth of stories meaningless with a "crisis" and be PRAISED for it is beyond me. If Marvel pulled that kind of thing fanboys would be outside their offices with TORCHES and wooden stakes.

Actually, most of the pre-CoIE stories that weren't entirely ridiculous (like most of the silly, one-off Superman stories) found their way into post-CoIE continuity with only minor tweaks. Instead of Black Canary being Dinah Drake from the Golden Age right down into the present, she was split into a Golden Age version and the Golden Ager's daughter in the present. Simple things like that.

And before you ask, no, I wouldn't mind if Marvel had a Crisis event and Spider-Man was retconned to pass the mantle onto his son, who would then be the present-day Spider-Man. It's worked out swimmingly in Spider-Girl and, frankly, Marvel's ****ed around with Spider-Man so much at this point that I don't even care about the character that much anymore.

 

[Darthphere]

Kevin Smith also can't be bothered to stay on schedule either.

Yet he has time to play poker with Bendis, Lee and Turner among others.

 

[roach]

I can't even get into DC's storylines because I know eventually they won't matter. You don't even know what's real. How a company can to declare years worth of stories meaningless with a "crisis" and be PRAISED for it is beyond me.

Riiiiight.....
How many times was Captain America relaunched in the last couple of years???
How did Magneto survive decaptitation????
When is Jean coming back????
When is Spidey gonna get back into his original costume????
How soon was Morrison's run retconned????

There is no structure in the Marvel universe. Spider-man and Wolverine are all over the Marvel Universe. Yes DC does the same with Superman and Bat-man but they at least take care of their minor characters. Wally West grows in to the Flash and is what I am hearing is true then Bart is gonna become the New Flash. Kyle Raynor become the new GL and the becomes Ion. Donna Troy became the new WW.
Had Marvel put the same effort into New Warriors that they put into Young Avengers then the book wouldnt have been cancelled. When was the last time you seen a supervillain in the Marvel universe????
I dont get impressed with Marvel because I know nothing will last.

 

[Doc Destruction]

You didn't need to be a fanboy or a DC Universe expert to enjoy the story. I never read Crisis on Infinite Earths, which Infinite Crisis was pretty much a sequel to, and I followed along things just fine. If anything Infinite Crisis got me interested in some of the smaller DC characters in the universe. The story was...you know...an actual story instead of an event that was put together half assed. *cough House of M *Cough*

All the Kal-El's? There were two Supermen in the story. The Superman in current DC continuity. And Superman of Earth 2 who is basically the Golden Age Superman. There was Superboy, of the regular DC universe. And Superboy Prime, who was basically one of the main bad guys in the mini. It's not confusing once you sit down and read the book.

DC got me interested in characters I never though existed. Marvel can barely get fans to stay into characters that they've loved for decades! So, there's the difference.

That might be your best post ever. Well said.

 

[Darthphere]

Not really a fair statement Roach, because the guy does have a point about DC but the same goes for Marvel as well. Everything stays the same until the next big event and then everything starts changing again. Its really nothing new and all comics are guilty of it.

 

[Ben Urich]

I think there's a general sense that DC acknowledges their sometimes convoluted continuity, but at the same time they try to respect their characters and clear up any inconsistencies. They also do it with care.
Marvel, on the other hand, doesn't seem to acknowledge their continuity mistakes, much less attempt to fix them.

 

[Darthphere]

I think there's a general sense that DC acknowledges their sometimes convoluted continuity, but at the same time they try to respect their characters and clear up any inconsistencies. They also do it with care.
Marvel, on the other hand, doesn't seem to acknowledge their continuity mistakes, much less attempt to fix them.

They do attempt to fix them, with really bad retcons.

 

[roach]

and to me Infinite Crisis was one big dig at marvel.
1) They produced four minis that dealt with Magic(Vengeance), Space(War) and Villains(Villians)...three subjects that the Marvel Universe hasnt had in awhile.
2)Had the Major villain who wanted to retcon the DC universe into his vision at the cost of all else(sounds a little like JQ to me).
3) The series had consequences that effected everyone...while House of M had consequences that effected...mutants. Spider-man was the same after HOM as he was before it.

 

[Darthphere]

and to me Infinite Crisis was one big dig at marvel.
1) They produced four minis that dealt with Magic(Vengeance), Space(War) and Villains(Villians)...three subjects that the Marvel Universe hasnt had in awhile.
2)Had the Major villain who wanted to retcon the DC universe into his vision at the cost of all else(sounds a little like JQ to me).
3) The series had consequences that effected everyone...while House of M had consequences that effected...mutants. Spider-man was the same after HOM as he was before it.

I think youre reaching.

 

[November Rain]

We already know what it's like with two Spider-Men running around. And the consensus of Spider-Man fans couldn't stomach an exact replica of Peter Parker replacing Peter Parker.

So, there ya go.

spidey fans are evil...

 

[November Rain]

in all honesty, it seems the grass will always be greener on the other side of the fence depending on what universe you collected and when and why you switched over.

i was brought up on marvel feeling it was superior to dc, but now....Dc certainly does look tempting from a far away glance and the only interests i have in marvel is in it's ultimate universe and it's greatest asset the ultimates line is starting to take its toll on taking so long to come out...and the bits and bobs of dc i have are all really great pieces.

but i guess every comepany has their faults and their good times, i suppose dc seems to be doing alright these days whil the impression i'm getting from marvel is that it's a lil on edge.

 

[Doc Destruction]

and to me Infinite Crisis was one big dig at marvel.
1) They produced four minis that dealt with Magic(Vengeance), Space(War) and Villains(Villians)...three subjects that the Marvel Universe hasnt had in awhile.
2)Had the Major villain who wanted to retcon the DC universe into his vision at the cost of all else(sounds a little like JQ to me).
3) The series had consequences that effected everyone...while House of M had consequences that effected...mutants. Spider-man was the same after HOM as he was before it.

Well there WAS a direct Marvel slam in IC that was freaking hysterical.

Spoiler

Alexander grabbed two Earths whose numbers equaled 616 and destroyed them a moment later in digust.

 

[Doc Destruction]

I also wonder if the whole "DC appeals to older readers" thing is taking effect on me. Hmmmm, damn I'm old.

 

[Darthphere]

Well there WAS a direct Marvel slam in IC that was freaking hysterical.

Spoiler

Alexander grabbed two Earths whose numbers equaled 616 and destroyed them a moment later in digust.

I wouldnt use those words.