Comics Should Mystique be considered a bisexual?

[Specter313]

WEll its based on my past contact with Bisexuals that this is normally the case, so its an informed opinion if anything.



I know that was sarcastic but I'd say it was pretty accurate. A lot of the Bi Girls i know, youd swear it was just because theyd run out of men they hadn't slept with.

Its all psychological anyway. People are only homosexuals because of how theyve been influenced over their lives so its clear how the lines could merge.

You can't seriously believe that. People aren't gay just because they feel like trying it. They're gay because that's the way they really are. Being gay is as natural as the hair color you're given or what gender you are. It's a scientific fact.

 

[OutcryX]

when i meant that i meant men who claim they love their wives and dont cheat, sleep around with other men with no protection and end up givin it to the women. the lies and the fact they dont care for women is triflin

kinda like the men who sleep with other women while not using protection and get diseases and bring them to their wives? triffin as well no? still lies and not caring for their women no? I'm not sticking up for anyone that cheats but dont try and lay blame on just DL men...they are being used as a scapegoat to a MUCH greater(epidemic even) problem. do your research.

 

[OutcryX]

WEll its based on my past contact with Bisexuals that this is normally the case, so its an informed opinion if anything.



I know that was sarcastic but I'd say it was pretty accurate. A lot of the Bi Girls i know, youd swear it was just because theyd run out of men they hadn't slept with.

Its all psychological anyway. People are only homosexuals because of how theyve been influenced over their lives so its clear how the lines could merge.

Wow...WoW..WOW!!!!! Please post the information or include a link as to where you get your information....being as it sounds informed and all...

 

[mightiest_mortal]

You can't seriously believe that. People aren't gay just because they feel like trying it. They're gay because that's the way they really are. Being gay is as natural as the hair color you're given or what gender you are. It's a scientific fact.

Wow...WoW..WOW!!!!! Please post the information or include a link as to where you get your information....being as it sounds informed and all...

oh come on, It's pretty damned obvious.
So being gay is genetic? How could a gay gene seriously survive more than one generation? It would have been the first gene to b evolved out back in Caveman times, unless we're saying that its a random mutation.
So if its not genetic its got to be psychological. I'm not saying that they chose to be gay, its based on social conditioning theyve recieved since being born, the same conditioning which governs our morals and the majority of our personality.

 

[Specter313]

oh come on, It's pretty damned obvious.
So being gay is genetic? How could a gay gene seriously survive more than one generation? It would have been the first gene to b evolved out back in Caveman times, unless we're saying that its a random mutation.
So if its not genetic its got to be psychological. I'm not saying that they chose to be gay, its based on social conditioning theyve recieved since being born, the same conditioning which governs our morals and the majority of our personality.

Good god. I cannot believe that you are so grossly misinformed and ignorant of all of this. Tell me, if it was psychological, then how did the first gay people come about if there was nothing before them to suggest that homosexuality was a possibility? They couldn't. Are you one of the people that also believes that if a kid is adpoted and raised by two gay parents, then he or she will turn out gay too? Then how do you account for all the straight people who have gay parents? Or all the straight parents who have gay children? It's a fact of nature, not how they're brought up. People are brought up in some of the most heterosexual societies these days with zero gay people or exposure to anything else gay, and they still out gay themselves. Explain that through psychology, because it's not possible.

And there is no "gay gene". Like everything else in the human body, it comes about from a long string of genes that form a specific sequence. There is no one gene for any feature in the human body. That's why each person is unique and not every gay person acts the same. Seriously, get out there and look at people.

 

[mightiest_mortal]

Good god. I cannot believe that you are so grossly misinformed and ignorant of all of this. Tell me, if it was psychological, then how did the first gay people come about if there was nothing before them to suggest that homosexuality was a possibility? They couldn't. Are you one of the people that also believes that if a kid is adpoted and raised by two gay parents, then he or she will turn out gay too? Then how do you account for all the straight people who have gay parents? Or all the straight parents who have gay children? It's a fact of nature, not how they're brought up. People are brought up in some of the most heterosexual societies these days with zero gay people or exposure to anything else gay, and they still out gay themselves. Explain that through psychology, because it's not possible.

And there is no "gay gene". Like everything else in the human body, it comes about from a long string of genes that form a specific sequence. There is no one gene for any feature in the human body. That's why each person is unique and not every gay person acts the same. Seriously, get out there and look at people.

NO. YOU'RE WRONG.

Normaly I don't get so so involved or personal in a topic, but if people start talking to be me patronisingly and making me out to be some kind of bigot, when they CLEARLY have NO idea what they're talking about then it gets kind of annoying.

I need to make this clear, I am in not way bigoted against homosexuals and I believe that they are entitled to the same quality of life as anybody else. I just believe that it is not genetically determined and is, as with Hetrosexuality, determined by our influences through our early lifes.

I'm not saying its because they have gay parents and i'm not saying its because they see gay people on TV. I'm not even going to pretend I have any Idea what these influences are because, hell, there are hundreds of people that spend their entire lives trying to work out what they could be.

If homosexuality were genetic it would have been wiped out long long ago. Thats not an opinion, its evolution. Its kind of difficult for any set of genes to surive in a species if those individuals with it don't procreate.

As an example, if you had a load of people with Brown hair, and a load of people with Blonde hair all living in one country. If none of the Blonde people could reproduce AT ALL, give it a hundred years or so, there would be no blonde people left whatsoever. The only way for a gene to be passed on is through having sex with someone of the oposite gender.

Also, if Homosexuality were genetic, than you could not have a gay identical twin, without the other being gay also. It would not be possible at all. As there are recorded cases of their being a gay twin and a straight twin, both Identical then this is furthur proof.

The "Gay gene" is a common misconception by the media that has been debunked commonly by a variety of credible sources, any evidence that has been reported to be found to date has not been found again on repeating of the experiments.

Anyone interested more in this, try reading some of these links....

http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

http://www.fathersforlife.org/gay_gene.htm

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f97/projects97/Newman.html

 

[Specter313]

You completely misread everything I said.

 

[X_fan08]

let me get this clear, are u saying that there is a gay gene. if so i dnt beileve it

 

[mightiest_mortal]

YaY someones with me....

let me get this clear, are u saying that there is a gay gene. if so i dnt beileve it

That's because there isn't one. There is no proof whatsoever to say that Homosexuality is based on Genetics, all studies so far point to the opposite.

 

[X_fan08]

dont get me wrong i just wanted to get clarity cause all that reading, i lost the main idea. and what is the opposite, a person's choice?

 

[mightiest_mortal]

dont get me wrong i just wanted to get clarity cause all that reading, i lost the main idea. and what is the opposite, a person's choice?

Thats ok. Its not their choice. The majority of our personalities, including homosexuality and heterosexuality are "herited" rather than "inherited". This just means that we get them from subtle influences in our envionments and social interactions when we are very young that we are not aware of or can control.
Its not as simple as seeing lots of gay people areound or on TV. People don't really know what the influences exactly are.

 

[X_fan08]

so it can be someone touching u or somethin when ur like five?

 

[mightiest_mortal]

so it can be someone touching u or somethin when ur like five?

I've got no idea.

...though im sure that that would probably have pyschological ramifications either way.

 

[X_fan08]

Mhhhmm. that sucks. but i think that people can overcome these subtle things.

 

[usagicassidy]

*Pops head in* I find it funny how you're having a debate on homosexuality and genetics in an X-Men thread. Which would mean you're all X-Men fans...well the X-Men are basically a screaming metaphore for homosexuality. Let's just say that homosexuals are like the X-Men. There, no science, no evidence, no logic, but TRUTH. lol, okay you can go back to your debate. *Pops head out*

 

[toya thegr8]

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[X_fan08]

*Pops head in* I find it funny how you're having a debate on homosexuality and genetics in an X-Men thread. Which would mean you're all X-Men fans...well the X-Men are basically a screaming metaphore for homosexuality. Let's just say that homosexuals are like the X-Men. There, no science, no evidence, no logic, but TRUTH. lol, okay you can go back to your debate. *Pops head out*

*X_fan replies* Well if u say that homosexuals are like X-men then doesnt that mean that we are talking about the X-men? And yes, u are right about the metaphor in the form of X-men, being outcasted for what they are.basically, you are just making your post pointless because your making a connection and giving reason to discuss more about genes and homosexuality. So, thankst: * X_fan ends conversation*

 

[newwaveboy87]

WEll its based on my past contact with Bisexuals that this is normally the case, so its an informed opinion if anything.

"informed opinion" ....i'll let that one slide.
it is your opinion, but it's ill-formed. t:

I know that was sarcastic but I'd say it was pretty accurate. A lot of the Bi Girls i know, youd swear it was just because theyd run out of men they hadn't slept with.

Its all psychological anyway. People are only homosexuals because of how theyve been influenced over their lives so its clear how the lines could merge.

the psychological disorder argument went out with the 60s. sorry buddy, being gay is just something that you're born with. might want to read more updated research into the topic.

 

[newwaveboy87]

You can't seriously believe that. People aren't gay just because they feel like trying it. They're gay because that's the way they really are. Being gay is as natural as the hair color you're given or what gender you are. It's a scientific fact.

fact? no.
but a lot of research points towards various theories as to why people are born gay. some include:
chemical imbalance with ingestation - meaning the mother was under a great deal of stress and some chemical imbalance might've tipped your sexuality one way or another
the multiple sons increase the chance of a gay one by 33% - each son a mother has has a 33% increased chance of being a homosexual. this one i don't quite understand, but i've posted a link to it before.
there is the gay gene theory. but it's still just a theory.


k, bye Ryan.
i'm done with this thread now.

 

[Valechan]

id you miss the part where I said that her mutation would have kicked in at puberty, therefore she wouldn't have been born with blue skin? Even if that isn't the case, did you also miss the part where I said that it's in her character to be in her true form when she's not in a morph? I'll say it again, she's spent most of her life fighting for mutants to be theirselves. She's not going to turn into a big hypocrite and show that she's never been herself this entire time.

You people need to stop confusing the movieverse with Earth 616, the comicverse... it is sad you cannot see the difference. Raven Darkholme (as we like to call her even though it is not her name) has NEVER in her life fought actively for mutant rights. No no, don't try and be shocked. What Mystique used to do in those days with the so called "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" was not to fight for mutant's rights, that was the cover. What she was trying to do was avert the future written in Destiny's Diaries. Every move she made, every fight she instilled, every murder, every lie, was meant to change the events depicted in the diaries, yet the more she tried the more she failed. Mystique is a ruthless, lying villain, who has been lying ever since she fought Ms Marvel all those years ago. Lying is her personality, lying is who she is. It would not be surprising if she was lying about her personality all along.

And about the other thing... should I make a list of mutants who had part of their powers at birth and then developed the rest of them at the proper age? I could start with Nightcrawler you know, seen as he was born looking like that. I could continue with little Franklin Richards, or Nathan Christopher Charles Summers Dayspring, the man now known as Cable.

And about what mightiest mortal says... I think it's nothing of the sort. I was raised in a perfectly happy family, I had the most normal of childhoods possible, the word gay was never even mentioned in my home, yet I turned out gay while my brother who was raised in the same fashion is not. Events in childhood do not shape who you are, YOU shape who you are, YOU choose what to do with your life, not what other people inflict upon you, it is YOUR choices that count, that make you who YOU are, no genes, no life-experiences, just your good old mind.

 

[Specter313]

You people need to stop confusing the movieverse with Earth 616, the comicverse... it is sad you cannot see the difference. Raven Darkholme (as we like to call her even though it is not her name) has NEVER in her life fought actively for mutant rights. No no, don't try and be shocked. What Mystique used to do in those days with the so called "Brotherhood of Evil Mutants" was not to fight for mutant's rights, that was the cover. What she was trying to do was avert the future written in Destiny's Diaries. Every move she made, every fight she instilled, every murder, every lie, was meant to change the events depicted in the diaries, yet the more she tried the more she failed. Mystique is a ruthless, lying villain, who has been lying ever since she fought Ms Marvel all those years ago. Lying is her personality, lying is who she is. It would not be surprising if she was lying about her personality all along.

And about the other thing... should I make a list of mutants who had part of their powers at birth and then developed the rest of them at the proper age? I could start with Nightcrawler you know, seen as he was born looking like that. I could continue with little Franklin Richards, or Nathan Christopher Charles Summers Dayspring, the man now known as Cable.

And about what mightiest mortal says... I think it's nothing of the sort. I was raised in a perfectly happy family, I had the most normal of childhoods possible, the word gay was never even mentioned in my home, yet I turned out gay while my brother who was raised in the same fashion is not. Events in childhood do not shape who you are, YOU shape who you are, YOU choose what to do with your life, not what other people inflict upon you, it is YOUR choices that count, that make you who YOU are, no genes, no life-experiences, just your good old mind.

Ok, people need to stop putting words in my mouth and misinterpreting what I say.

Raven Darkhole is her real name. Fact. http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=79

I never said a damn thing about the movieverse, so stop bringing up things I didn't say.

I never once said she fought for mutant rights. I said she fought for mutants to be true to who they are, i.e. mutant superiority, just like Magneto. And she didn't even start using Destiny's diaries until around the time of the Legacy Virus anyway, long after she died, so saying everything she did is another moot point that didn't need to be brought up in the first place. Same thing with brining up Nightcrawler, Franklin, and Nate, because they have nothing to do with this conversation.

 

[Valechan]

fighting for mutants to be who they are is the line from the movie, it's what movie raven says.

Destniy's Diaries were written around the end of the 1800s and Mystique met Destiny around 1920, which is when they started to work to avoid the futures seen by Destiny. Everything she ever did was a cover to this task. She never cared for her fellow mutants, she never cared for their "true forms".

Raven Darkholme was the identity she took when she worked for the government, when we first met, it sort of stuck as her real name, and that's how we all know her, but it hasn't been explained if it is her name for real or not. Most of her past is still shrouded in mistery

 

[Specter313]

Whatever. I don't know why you even bother to ask some of these questions since you're never open to changing your mind and always stick with whatever you think, no matter what anyone else says to prove it wrong.

 

[Valechan]

Writing a misinformed biography of Mystique doesn't prove me wrong. You claim she fights for mutant's right to be true and who they are supposed to be... that is bull****. That is the line she says in X2, but in the comics we NOW know she did all she did just to try and change what she read on Destiny's Diaries. Heck, the link YOU Posted says on the very second page, and even reinforces what I say clearly stating that her past is unknown, that her true origin has been unrevealed. It is in that unrevealed origin where my questions lie. You seem to think you know what happened in that unrevealed past given what you've read, I'm just telling you you need to read more, because that past has not been explained in full yet.

 

[Red Mask]

Bisexual all the way.