The Force Awakens Should the Sequel Trilogy bring back the Old Characters?

[Gianakin_]

I'm a huge fan of spinning and jumping, but not for Luke, so agreed. Very inspired, the Ip Man comparison.

 

[LegendAssemble]

I'm a huge fan of spinning and jumping, but not for Luke, so agreed. Very inspired, the Ip Man comparison.

I'm a big fan of the prequel style fights too but I want to see more fights like this

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[LegendAssemble]

He's not in the memories of those who like/love the PT.

Thats not to say they shouldn't remake them. Theres plenty of people who love them but theres plenty of people who feel as if they never got the real story. They make remakes all the time, I say it would be fine as long as they made it more of a choice between which one you want as your prequel trilogy.

 

[Nathan]

The only fight I really like is Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon vs Darth Maul. Really tight choreography. The rest of the Prequel Fights, too much twirling and almost dancing.

 

[Darthphere]

The only fight I really like is Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon vs Darth Maul. Really tight choreography. The rest of the Prequel Fights, too much twirling and almost dancing.

There's a point in the Anakin/Obi-Wan duel in ROTS where they literally twirl their lightsabers for a good 5 seconds before doing anything. It looks awesome, it's why I remember it but yeah I see your point.

 

[Hunter Rider]

He's not in the memories of those who like/love the PT.

 

[floreairfoot]

I hope we never see SW remade. I'm against remakes in general, but a SW remake would make me go postal.

It's a great idea to have them in as older versions of themselves, with a new cast of "younger" main characters.

I just think it would make me sick if they tried to go the route of 5-10ys in the future and recast the original 3. It would pretty much feel like a remake.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

There's a point in the Anakin/Obi-Wan duel in ROTS where they literally twirl their lightsabers for a good 5 seconds before doing anything. It looks awesome, it's why I remember it but yeah I see your point.

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[Human Torch]

My problem with the Old Jedi rules and I think this has been implied with how the story turned out is that the Jedi were too controlling over their own matters and became so detached from themselves that it eventually became one of the reasons why they fell to begin with.

If Anakin didn't feel so bottled up and pressured by the strict rules that the jedi order had and actually allowed their Jedis to be treated as sentient beings, then Anakin wouldn't have always gone to Palpatine for support.

If the Jedi Order or whatever remains of it in the sequel trilogy is exactly like the old one when it comes to its structure, then it feels like that they haven't learned anything from the past.

The reason Anakin had trouble adhering to the Jedi code was that he was "too old".He already had formed attachments to his mother and Padme which (for right or wrong) put him at odds with the Jedi way of thinking.

If he'd been trained "from birth" as the Jedi typically do,he likely wouldn't have had the conflicting feelings he had.

 

[Darthphere]

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YES!

That looks so awesome but it's so pointless.

 

[steintym]

Ha ha - I always thought that looked so odd.

For the most part, I did like the PT fights scenes, though.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Ha ha - I always thought that looked so odd.

For the most part, I did like the PT fights scenes, though.

I did too but the one with Count Dooku in Episode II was horrible.

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[Brother Jack]

The only fight I really like is Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon vs Darth Maul. Really tight choreography. The rest of the Prequel Fights, too much twirling and almost dancing.

Agreed. The fight with Maul rides the line of being overly choreographed and dance-like but it pulls it off. All of the other ones in the prequels were bad. There is loads more excitement and tension in Luke's duels with Vader in Empire and Jedi and they didn't need fancy tricks to get that across.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

For returning characters, a MUST is See-Threepio and Artoo-Detoo. Even back in the day, Lucas said the only characters that would be in all nine movies would be the droids.

And Mark Hamil should be back as Luke. Luke should be the leader of the new Jedi Council and serve as the "old Ben Kenobi" role in the new film. I think Han and Leia would be more cameos in the first film. Perhaps Leia is the Chancellor of the New Republic.

The main characters should be new however. Since now that Star Wars is no longer the "story of Anakin/Vader," the saga should be related to the Skywalker family. Three trilogies, three generations. The new main characters should be two males and one female (following the Obi-Wan/Padme/Anakin and Luke/Leia/Han traditions) and at least one be a Skywalker, either an offspring of Luke's and/or a child(ren) of Han & Leia.

I could also see Luke dieing in Episode VII (mirroring Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan, of course) and being a Force ghost in the other two.

And here's something I could see that would really piss off the older fans. Do you remember in the Heir to the Empire book by Zahn, Obi-Wan appears to Luke one last time before passing on? I could see in Episode VII, they mention that Obi-Wan and Yoda have already moved on. And now, in this film, it is time for Anakin to move on, as he is proud of the work Luke has done. And, yes, that would be Hayden Christensen. (But, don't worry, it is basically a cameo).

 

[Darthphere]

I did too but the one with Count Dooku in Episode II was horrible.

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I get so pissed off during the fight because it's the first time we someone dual wield lightsabers and it lasts like 3 seconds.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Do you think there would be a backlash if the old three were not brought back? or if only some of them were?

Regardless of how much they probably want to both carrie and mark don't seem so convinced they'll be in it just judging from their attitudes in the few interviews they've done since the announcement.

 

[Darthphere]

They'll be in it, if that means only a cameo. But they'll be in there somehow.

 

[LegendAssemble]

For returning characters, a MUST is See-Threepio and Artoo-Detoo. Even back in the day, Lucas said the only characters that would be in all nine movies would be the droids.

And Mark Hamil should be back as Luke. Luke should be the leader of the new Jedi Council and serve as the "old Ben Kenobi" role in the new film. I think Han and Leia would be more cameos in the first film. Perhaps Leia is the Chancellor of the New Republic.

The main characters should be new however. Since now that Star Wars is no longer the "story of Anakin/Vader," the saga should be related to the Skywalker family. Three trilogies, three generations. The new main characters should be two males and one female (following the Obi-Wan/Padme/Anakin and Luke/Leia/Han traditions) and at least one be a Skywalker, either an offspring of Luke's and/or a child(ren) of Han & Leia.

I could also see Luke dieing in Episode VII (mirroring Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan, of course) and being a Force ghost in the other two.

And here's something I could see that would really piss off the older fans. Do you remember in the Heir to the Empire book by Zahn, Obi-Wan appears to Luke one last time before passing on? I could see in Episode VII, they mention that Obi-Wan and Yoda have already moved on. And now, in this film, it is time for Anakin to move on, as he is proud of the work Luke has done. And, yes, that would be Hayden Christensen. (But, don't worry, it is basically a cameo).

I agree with most of this but the makers of the movie need to address the problems with the prequels rather than continue to make the same mistakes.

#1: No hokey politics. I don't want to see any of the Senate or any of that crap. In Star Wars it was pretty clear Lucas didn't really think out how their political system worked. It's an Empire with an Emperor but theres an Imperial Senate, with Regional Governors. Now this doesn't make a whole lot of sense but we don't see any of it and it isn't explained so we can assume we just don't know how it works. In the prequels we see the Senate and the politics are extremely convoluted, the whole thing is a big room full of aliens that have no military and applaud at everything anyone says. In the sequels I don't mind seeing hearing about the Senate but I think seeing them or making Important characters like Leia in charge would just make the universe feel too scripted and small.

#2: I don't want to see a million Jedi, but if we have to, I don't want to see another Jedi Council. The big problem with the prequel Jedi is that they are some creepy cult. The kids are taken from birth raised in a sterol environment, hell in the EU it seems like once every character reaches puberty they have some sexual crisis, what happened with Anakin was only a matter of time. In the originals being a Jedi was so much more a choice, when Ben Kenobi tells Luke about how his father wanted to go with him on his adventures, then tells Luke "come with me", it seemed like more of a call to adventure than anyone could do. The biggest blow to me however was the Jedi Council, I love referencing them and they have become an iconic part of Star Wars, but it was a collection of the greatest Jedi in the Galaxy...sitting in a room debating. I mean is that really the Jedis greatest goals, not going on adventures, but to sit in a room and argue with other Jedi? The Jedi need to be cool again, more like Luke in Jedi, Ben in ANH, Qui-Gon, and less like Mace Windu, the boring no name characters that die in two seconds in Sith.

#3: I don't want to see Hayden Christensen as Anakins Ghost, for one he didn't know he was going to be put in Return of the Jedi. The footage was from a costume test for Revenge of the Sith and Hayden was getting his hair cut. You can't see because it's from the front but Hayden actually had long Qui-Gon esc ponytail in the source footage. Not to mention it makes no sense he look like that, because isn't that evil Anakin? Isn't that the Anakin that fell to the Darkside, that murdered children? Shouldn't his ghost be the good Anakin, a 40 year old male? Recast him with someone more age appropriate and someone that resembles Sebastian Shaw in that unmasking scene. I honestly have nothing against Christensen as an actor or that change, I just think it doesn't make sense and it was more of a promotion for Episode III than anything else.

#4: The new movies need to have more practical effects and sets and less clean green screen. Everything felt so fake in the prequels and the sets/props/costumes made it feel like a different universe at times. Like the lightsabers had big red buttons and looked more like toys than weapons, there was too much stuff going on in all the frames it looked too busy and cluttered compared to what we saw in the originals.

#5: We also need to have the cast return. Mark Hamil as an important mentor to the new hero. Some new non force related characters to balance out the magic and fantasy elements. Maybe Harrison Ford and Carrie Fischer in the later films to avoid making the universe seem small. But the big link should be the droids R2 and 3PO. Start it like A New Hope, that movie would be nearing it's 40th anniversary, to copy the plot to some degree would not seem as much of a rip off as paying homage at this point. Copy the small elements but make it something of it's own.

Anyway thats my two cents.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Do you think there would be a backlash if the old three were not brought back? or if only some of them were?

Regardless of how much they probably want to both carrie and mark don't seem so convinced they'll be in it just judging from their attitudes in the few interviews they've done since the announcement.

I don't care too much about Carrie but Mark needs to be in it. Luke Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, they are Star Wars. If the original cast members or characters don't return theres no reason to call it Episode VII. Yeah it was originally the story of the Droids, but the prequels have since changed this.

 

[Destructus86]

I'm willing to bet the theme will be what George originally planned and hinted to in the OT "Pass on what you have learned"

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The only fight I really like is Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon vs Darth Maul. Really tight choreography. The rest of the Prequel Fights, too much twirling and almost dancing.

They are supposed to be. Obi-Wan in ep IV says lightsaber combat was elegant and the duels in the OT are not.

 

[Darthphere]

I think I only really had a problem with Yoda, Dooku and Palapatine prancing around like 13 year olds. I get that they're using the force but it just looks silly.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I didn't mind it. Palpatine is supposed to be the most powerful Sith ever, and Yoda the most powerful Jedi. They can manipulate the force like no one else. Dooku is a little different, but it didn't bother me.

In fact I find the only downside to the duels in the PT is that is makes Obi-Wan vs Darth Vader II seem incredibly underwhelming.

 

[Darthphere]

I just think it's dumb looking to have Yoda twirling about, grunting and yelling and then show him barely being able to walk when he's not fighting. I'll give you Palpatine but I think more than anything it was the visual that bothered me not the actual ability to do it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It still makes sense. You have this cripple who is fighting an old man who isn't fighting to win or survive.