Should there be more coordination between the Marvel televsion and film units

[AlluAllu]

https://youtu.be/RAHiDo8su4Y

For what it's worth, this deleted scene supports the idea that Accords concern all supers.

 

[Pokkle]

https://youtu.be/RAHiDo8su4Y

For what it's worth, this deleted scene supports the idea that Accords concern all supers.

That's an awesome find.

Widow said that having a vibranium suit put Black Panther under the Accords's jurisdictions.

 

[metaphysician]

In Agents of SHIELD, a news reporter said the Accords are a framework regulation of EVERY enhanced individual.

It's framework that goes beyond just the Avengers.

Which is exactly my point: Agents of SHIELD contradicts the movie. This was a bad idea, and possibly the result of the AoS writers not actually knowing the script of Civil War.

 

[Flint Marko]

Wait, I'm lost: how does Agents of SHIELD contradict Civil War? I don't recall anything in Civil War that said the Accords only applied to the Avengers.

 

[MbJ]

Wait, I'm lost: how does Agents of SHIELD contradict Civil War? I don't recall anything in Civil War that said the Accords only applied to the Avengers.

Literally the only time it is discussed is within the context of the Avengers. Two non-Avengers (Spider-Man and Ant-Man) show up, and at no point are the Accords mentioned in relation to them.

There was early speculation on here that the movie would follow the comic plot about Spider-Man registering and revealing his identity(in fact I remember someone rather smugly trying to tell everyone they were idiots and OF COURSE that is how Spider-Man would factor into the plot), but that possibility is never mentioned even once.

 

[Flint Marko]

So AoS doesn't directly contradict what was presented, it simply clarifies things that were left ambiguous/unsaid.

There was early speculation on here that the movie would follow the comic plot about Spider-Man registering and revealing his identity(in fact I remember someone rather smugly trying to tell everyone they were idiots and OF COURSE that is how Spider-Man would factor into the plot), but that possibility is never mentioned even once.

That was never going to happen. Spider-man's first appearance in the MCU would be him revealing his identity? Why would anyone buy that?
If this person you are referring to is who I think it is, their ability to be so confident while being so consistently incorrect is a border-line super power.

 

[TheVileOne]

Which is exactly my point: Agents of SHIELD contradicts the movie. This was a bad idea, and possibly the result of the AoS writers not actually knowing the script of Civil War.

Actually it doesn't. The cover of the Sokovia Accords says registration and deployment of ENHANCED INDIVIDUALS. Not the Avengers.

 

[Pokkle]

Which is exactly my point: Agents of SHIELD contradicts the movie. This was a bad idea, and possibly the result of the AoS writers not actually knowing the script of Civil War.

[YT]RAHiDo8su4Y[/YT]

In this deleted scene from the movie, Widow said to Black Panther that having a vibranium suit put him under the Accords Jurisdiction.

Black Panter isn't an Avengers and can be put under the Accords Jurisdiction which mean The Accords don't only apply to the Avengers.

And like I said earlier, in the movie, on the frontpage of the Accords, it's written:
"Framework for the registration and deployment of enhanced individuals"

The words used aren't restrictive to the Avengers only, they used more vague terms like "enhanced individuals."


And like I said, this frontpage was also put in the WHIH newsfront:
https://***********/WHIHOfficial/status/727559849660141568

 

[Aztec]

To answer the original question. The answer is "it depends". If you are referring to the ABC shows then I say no. They just aren't of the same quality as the films. If you are referring to the Netflix shows then He'll Yes! They are outstanding and brilliant series' that are of the same high quality as he films.

 

[Homem-Aranha]

Get the Netflix heroes in the movies! They're all so great in their roles! I would love to see DD in Avengers:Infinity War even as a small cameo!

 

[Vchipp]

Definitely yes, it expands the movieverse too, cause it kinda seems one-sided so far.

 

[MbJ]

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/156...eally-fit-in-the-mcu-according-to-mike-colter

 

[NewYorkSpider]

While I think some are hoping for an appearance from them, I simply want them to be acknowledged in one of the films. If they go even further than a mention, then that's great too.

 

[NotNickFury]

See, Colter gets it. It's a complicated process, filming these shows versus films and how far ahead schedules are mapped. Would it be possibly nice for a cameo or reference of the Defenders? Maybe, but even if not, we'll all see and enjoy Infinity War all the same.

 

[Flint Marko]

Someone tweeted at Faraci "I get the feeling that the movies will never acknowledge the TV shows"; he responded "you are correct."

I assume he knows far more than your average fan, so that's disheartening. But in all honesty, what are we expecting the Defenders to do in Infinity War? I'd love to see the two corners of the MCU intertwine but it's not going to ruin my overall enjoyment of the franchise.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Should there be more coordination between the Marvel television and film units?

http://i.imgur.com/IcL8spW.gif

 

[Rorschach2012]

**** the movie division for thinking they're better than the Netflix shows

That's a crock of ****.

Luke Cage and DD are 100x better than any Iron Man, Thor or Hulk movie

 

[Zarex]

But in all honesty, what are we expecting the Defenders to do in Infinity War? I'd love to see the two corners of the MCU intertwine but it's not going to ruin my overall enjoyment of the franchise.

Punch a couple of aliens and make an appearance at the after party.

I'm sure Infinity War film will holdup on its own, but not having the Defenders at least make cameos would represent a huge missed opportunity. Unlike their Distinguished Competition, Marvel Comics was built on the idea of the connected universe. Keeping A-List heroes from some of the most popular shows on TV on the sidelines is no different than having the FF and X-Men unavailable.

If the pissing match between TV and film continues, they might as well give us a TV version of Natasha Romanoff and a new Kingpin for the movies.

 

[TheVileOne]

I just think it'd be cool if you maybe saw parts of the world being threatened and you saw some other heroes who aren't the Avengers showing up and protecting some civilians and helping out.

 

[NotNickFury]

That could just as easily be firefighters or even policemen like we saw in The Avengers. You know, normal people or even the Galaga guy.

 

[DrCosmic]

See, Colter gets it. It's a complicated process, filming these shows versus films and how far ahead schedules are mapped. Would it be possibly nice for a cameo or reference of the Defenders? Maybe, but even if not, we'll all see and enjoy Infinity War all the same.

Dude... Kingpin's been in, like, 6 movies since he was cast. They could cross them over if they wanted. They don't.

Which is a shame, because the big draw for this universe is the crossover potential. To have them limit that artificially is sad. I'd still enjoy Captain America Winter Soldier if Avengers never happened, sure, but if there's no reason NOT to make Avengers, then it's still something to complain about because it would make Cap sequels even better.

**** the movie division for thinking they're better than the Netflix shows

That's a crock of ****.

Luke Cage and DD are 100x better than any Iron Man, Thor or Hulk movie

I wouldn't quite go that far. (Thank you for leaving Cap off this list).

Punch a couple of aliens and make an appearance at the after party.

I'm sure Infinity War film will holdup on its own, but not having the Defenders at least make cameos would represent a huge missed opportunity. Unlike their Distinguished Competition, Marvel Comics was built on the idea of the connected universe. Keeping A-List heroes from some of the most popular shows on TV on the sidelines is no different than having the FF and X-Men unavailable.

If the pissing match between TV and film continues, they might as well give us a TV version of Natasha Romanoff and a new Kingpin for the movies.

THIS right here. Why can't the TV shows have their own Avengers, since they can't ever interact in any way with the movie Avengers? Since planning ahead is just so impossible, because they're already planning ahead not to include an expanded universe, why not just cut your losses? Why leave off potential storylines when there's no chance of Charlie Cox and Scarlet Johanssen ever sharing a screen anyway?

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I've kicked around the idea of how much I would've liked to see a movie cameo in each of the netflix series.

Daredevil S1 - Steve Rogers?
Jessica Jones S1 - Carol Danvers?
Daredevil S2 - Peter Parker?
Luke Cage S1 - T'Challa?
Iron Fist S1 - Stephen Strange?

I mean, I think in the end it really doesnt change the end result, but it couldve been cool.

 

[MbJ]

Years ago Carol Danvers was actually planned to appear in JJ in the Trish Walker role. Obviously that went out the window when her movie got the green light, though.

 

[DrCosmic]

I wouldn't even go that far. Forget having the starring superheroes appear. I'd settle for them just being allowed to say their name. (I'm sure scheduling issues are the probelm there, too, eh?) I'd love to see cameos of relevant minor characters:

DD1: Since this is the one that sort of built Marvel's HK from the ground up, perhaps no cameos here. Still, a shot of Avengers Tower in the background wouldn't have gone amiss.
JJ: The Waitress from Avengers serving JJ and LC at the cafe. Use of the characters' actual names as opposed to 'The Flag Waver' and 'The Big Green One.' Ideally there'd have been a whole conspiracy with one of the Avengers leading to a cameo with them, could be anyone. Even Rhodey.
DD2: Black Widow, evaluating him as 'not Avengers material' to protect him. If not her Maria Hill. Helen Cho being involved in the hospital fiasco. Falcon testifying that Frank didn't have PTSD based on their interaction at the VA.
Luke Cage: A character played by Michael K. Williams, an incredible actor (most famous for The Wire) who cameo'd in Norton's The Incredible Hulk during the Abomination fight in Harlem and was deeply affected by that event and brings all that into Luke's storyline in some notable capacity. THAT would have been a payoff 8 years in the making. Also, making Alfre Woodard's MCU and Netflix characters the same person could have been really intersting. Justin Hammer and/or Trevor Slattery at Seagate.

I mean, I think in the end it really doesnt change the end result, but it couldve been cool.

Yeah, it's not about whether or not people would still like Iron Man if there was no Avengers. It's about how awesome Avengers is and a very obvious way to up that ante, combined with a very poor excuse not to.

 

[BatsDC]

I think it would be relatively simple to work in the Defenders, the problem I suppose is that you'd end up focusing on four characters who haven't been in the movies before.

I'd imagine that eventually there will be some form of crossover or connection, even if it's just one of the Netflix heroes getting a movie.

I don't see S.H.I.E.L.D. crossing over.