Siege

[Aesop Rocks]

Hey, it's not confirmed or anything, but [BLACKOUT]she[/BLACKOUT] definitely looks like [BLACKOUT]she[/BLACKOUT] bit off way more than [BLACKOUT]she[/BLACKOUT] can chew in that preview. [BLACKOUT]Hill[/BLACKOUT] is WAY out powered.

I completely agree,

Spoiler

Hill is going to get ****ed up by Moonstone.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I'd like to see Karla die as well. Or at least get smashed up. She needs to be brought back down to earth. I do think she also realizes that she is way over her head. But...

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE, *****!

 

[runawayboulder]

There's a couple of Dark Avengers I'd like to see stay around and Moonstone is one of them. I've really grown fond of Daken too.

Here's my list of people that I think will be lucky to make it out of SIEGE:
Osborn
Sentry
Bullseye
Moonstone
Maria Hill
Balder (or Volstagg or any other resident of Asgard for that matter)
Luke Cage (they've been teasing his death a bit lately that's why I'm putting him on here. He'll probably be the one to take down Osborn with a simple headbutt. Bendis has always had a hard on for this guy.)

I don't think Bendis has the stones to kill off Hawkeye/Ronin again. The big three are totally exempt from dying. So is Spider-man. I think a lot of the heroes are gonna make it. This is supposed to be the "Heroic Age" coming up right?

I'm curious as to what will happen to Victoria Hand. She's been great. If Maria Hill doesn't die, put her and Hand in a spy comic (a la Danger Girl). I'd totally read that.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

To be honest I certainly wouldn't mind if Spider-Man took Osborn down. I don't see it as in the cards and at best he's a "dark horse" bet. As I have mentioned before, Bendis does not write Spider-Man as an experienced superhero; he writes him as the world's oldest rookie, the last hero to recognize the oldest tricks in the book. The fact that under his watch, Spider-Man has went from criticizing Wolverine's murder philosophy to having drinks with him is still dismaying. Having heroes line-wide seem to murder henchmen is one thing; but having heroes who classically used to avoid that and look down on heroes who did that give "anti-heroes" props is different. Besides, that tension made for good drama every time Logan and Peter did team up. I could imagine a big showdown with, say, the big three and Osborn and some of his flunkies and Spider-Man gets inspired by Cap and takes Norman down, but....no, I don't see that scene in Bendis.

Excellent points in your entire post!

The sad thing is, who knows more about Norman and what makes him tick than anybody in the MU? Spider-Man!

At the very least, if Bendis wants the Big Three to be the heroes, they should decide they need to take Osborn down. So they think how are they going to do it? That's when Cap (or Tony) decides to go to Spider-Man and say, "Son, you know Norman Osborn better than anyone else in the world. How do we take him down?"

This way Spider-Man has an active role in the plan and if you need the Big Three to be the heroes, they can execute the plan. It also shows smarts in the Big Three by going to the one person who has the most experience with Osborn.

But, then again, Bendis will probably want to see Ares chopping off Norman's head.

 

[Anubis]

Heh, what if they kill Bucky?

 

[Dread]

Excellent points in your entire post!

The sad thing is, who knows more about Norman and what makes him tick than anybody in the MU? Spider-Man!

At the very least, if Bendis wants the Big Three to be the heroes, they should decide they need to take Osborn down. So they think how are they going to do it? That's when Cap (or Tony) decides to go to Spider-Man and say, "Son, you know Norman Osborn better than anyone else in the world. How do we take him down?"

This way Spider-Man has an active role in the plan and if you need the Big Three to be the heroes, they can execute the plan. It also shows smarts in the Big Three by going to the one person who has the most experience with Osborn.

But, then again, Bendis will probably want to see Ares chopping off Norman's head.

To play Devil's Advocate for a moment, at least in early NEW AVENGERS issues, Bendis was willing to have the heroes do things like that. Spider-Man offered advice on the Savage Land, since he had been there. He also offered advice on Electro before, despite once taking on the Hulk solo in REVENGE OF THE SINISTER SIX, Luke Cage made him pass out with a sneer. So it isn't outside the realm of possibility that whatever Avengers/heroes who plan to confront Osborn could at least give Spider-Man the floor for advice. After all, every time Dr. Doom does something, Mr. Fantastic (if not the entire Fantastic Four) are usually consulted. Such moments in NEW AVENGERS for Spidey, though, were few and far between; more often Spidey was almost the Rick Jones of the group, seeming in awe of every situation. I haven't actually read the title in a year, but Bendis as a writer seems to see himself as a crocodile; never needing to evolve.

Of course, on the other hand I could imagine someone claiming that "it doesn't count back when he was throwing pumpkin bombs from a man-purse" since Osborn's power class is very different in his Iron Patriot armor. Bendis is after all a guy who dismissed the Scorpion as "someone who throws his ass at you".

I still see Spider-Man's odds of getting the final take-down of Osborn here as extremely slim at best, at least based on prior Bendis works. Based on his prior works, though, the odds are slightly better that Spidey could at least be consulted. But I don't see him taking Osborn down. We'll be lucky if it isn't another villain.

As an aside opinion, overall I do like that Bendis has tried to "amp" certain characters such as Luke Cage, the original Spider-Woman, and villains such as Purple Man or the Hood. Heck, if I recall correctly, he once had the Wrecker take on the New Avengers solo and actually give them a decent brawl when many writers at the time made him a jobber. The problem is he plays favorites way too obviously and blatantly, at the cost of drama or story logic. Amping the Hood is fine; making him the boss of all bosses for no reason other than making some long speeches once or twice is silly. Such as while Luke Cage is cool and I do like that he's now a B-Lister, at heart he's only a mid-level tanker hero and villains really shouldn't be pissing themselves over him if they fought anyone over Class 45 or so, nor should he be written to seem to have more experience than Spider-Man. If anything, Spider-Man is one of few major Marvel heroes who began his career as a teenager and grew into it over a decade. But I digress. It seems "everyman" is often confused with "immature/incompetent".

Heh, what if they kill Bucky?

Unlikely, even for Bendis. Brubaker has really rejuvenated the CAPTAIN AMERICA franchise. His two books in December were among the Top 10 sellers, at #3 and #4, in Dec. 2009 according to very early estimates. The schedule is messed up but I imagine both Cap books that come out this month will be there too. Bucky's safe. Heck, given how strongly MARVELS PROJECT debuted (even if sales didn't hold up), I imagine Brubaker could launch a Bucky ongoing and it could last at least a year, if he wished. I doubt he will, though. I imagine Barnes will continue to show up in the main CAPTAIN AMERICA title alongside Steve Rogers and the rest.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

To play Devil's Advocate for a moment, at least in early NEW AVENGERS issues, Bendis was willing to have the heroes do things like that. Spider-Man offered advice on the Savage Land, since he had been there. He also offered advice on Electro before, despite once taking on the Hulk solo in REVENGE OF THE SINISTER SIX, Luke Cage made him pass out with a sneer. So it isn't outside the realm of possibility that whatever Avengers/heroes who plan to confront Osborn could at least give Spider-Man the floor for advice. After all, every time Dr. Doom does something, Mr. Fantastic (if not the entire Fantastic Four) are usually consulted. Such moments in NEW AVENGERS for Spidey, though, were few and far between; more often Spidey was almost the Rick Jones of the group, seeming in awe of every situation. I haven't actually read the title in a year, but Bendis as a writer seems to see himself as a crocodile; never needing to evolve.

Of course, on the other hand I could imagine someone claiming that "it doesn't count back when he was throwing pumpkin bombs from a man-purse" since Osborn's power class is very different in his Iron Patriot armor. Bendis is after all a guy who dismissed the Scorpion as "someone who throws his ass at you".

I still see Spider-Man's odds of getting the final take-down of Osborn here as extremely slim at best, at least based on prior Bendis works. Based on his prior works, though, the odds are slightly better that Spidey could at least be consulted. But I don't see him taking Osborn down. We'll be lucky if it isn't another villain.

Such as while Luke Cage is cool and I do like that he's now a B-Lister, at heart he's only a mid-level tanker hero and villains really shouldn't be pissing themselves over him if they fought anyone over Class 45 or so, nor should he be written to seem to have more experience than Spider-Man. If anything, Spider-Man is one of few major Marvel heroes who began his career as a teenager and grew into it over a decade. But I digress. It seems "everyman" is often confused with "immature/incompetent".

Great points again. Funny you compare Spidey to Rick Jones. When you said that, I was thinking of Bucky. The point being Bucky was a teenage sidekick. Stan specifically wrote Spider-Man as a teenager who was not a sidekick. So, that definitely shows he is not written correctly.

And I've had several arguments about the way Pete acts in BND, so I know what you are talking about with "everyman" is often confused with "immature/incompetent".

When Osborn became the big bad guy of the Marvel Universe, I was excited, because I saw this as an opportunity for Spider-Man to increase in status of the MU (not real life publishing, where he is the flagship character). But, alas, missed opportunities...

 

[Aesop Rocks]

heh, what if they kill bucky?

you best be joking.

 

[Anubis]

I'm just saying. Would piss a lot of people off, Steve's back, and of course, Bendis is a *****e.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I don't see Bucky being a regular anymore in the Marvel U anyways.

 

[runawayboulder]

When Osborn became the big bad guy of the Marvel Universe, I was excited, because I saw this as an opportunity for Spider-Man to increase in status of the MU (not real life publishing, where he is the flagship character). But, alas, missed opportunities...

Missed opportunity isn't even the word.

 

[kguillou]

I too was hoping Norman's "big bad" status would help raise spidey's profile in the MU too but he's still relegated to the pathetic, wise-cracking joke that he's been the last few years. Oh well....

 

[Gamma Goliath]

can someone fill me in on whats happened so far?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, I think it's going to be Bucky that will die. They say that it's going to be an Avenger that will die. It'll get Steve to take up the mantle of Captain America again full time (after he pretty much went into a state of semi-retirement) and it'll piss people off. Also Captain America: Reborn hinted about Bucky's death (thank you Marvel for needlessly extending Captain America: Reborn thus not showing the scene but spoiling it in Who Will Wield the Shield?)

 

[Drz]

Where does this Avenger death come from? I thought it was going to be a Dark Avenger?

 

[Aesop Rocks]

can someone fill me in on whats happened so far?

Norman got his "incident" (think Civil War), Began process of invading Asgard, Obama got walked all over by Ms. Hand. Norman and H.A.M.M.E.R invade Asgard. Blake see what's up, stick smashes and goes crazy. Get's tossed around by Sentry. Captain America and his Thunder-thighs look disappoint at the TV screen. There, I literally just summed up Siege #1.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

And actual sentences were strung together in a coherent manner.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Where does this Avenger death come from? I thought it was going to be a Dark Avenger?

They don't count

 

[Drz]

Lols. Coming from the person whos anxious to see Norman die.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

And actual sentences were strung together in a coherent manner.

YOU'RE STRUNG TOGETHER IN A COHERENT MANNER.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

 

[hippie_hunter]

Lols. Coming from the person whos anxious to see Norman die.

Norman still needs to die, but I don't see him as an Avenger.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Normans death is almost inevitable after this... just my opinion.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I have a feeling Ares may end up kicking the bucket. But his profile says he's immortal.

Can he be killed like a regular human or "killed" like Thor was?

btw, I hope it's not him.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Olympian and Asgardian God's are different.

Asgardian's ain't actually immortal. They are just EXTREMELY long lived and durable.

I think the Olympian God's are actually immortal.

But I don't think either race can be killed by mortal weapons.