Siege

Olympians are actually "more immortal" than Asgardians. The Asgardians can literally die and (at least potentially) stay dead because their "immortality" is actually just slowed aging thanks to Idunn's golden apples (not a euphemism, pervs); see Skurge, Odin, Bor, and others. They tend to keep coming back because their life force is extraordinarily potent. The Olympians are just plain immortal. At most, Ares would just wind up in Hades like Zeus did, and someone would probably free him eventually or he'd bust out or, knowing Ares, he'd kick Pluto's ass and take over. :hehe:

Anyway, I really hope it's not Bucky. It'd be lame to kill him off. I want to see him and Steve act as partners again, at least for a little while.
 
Ah, ok. I figured if it was him, then he'd end up in Hades or something.

I also hope it's not Bucky.
 
Great points again. Funny you compare Spidey to Rick Jones. When you said that, I was thinking of Bucky. The point being Bucky was a teenage sidekick. Stan specifically wrote Spider-Man as a teenager who was not a sidekick. So, that definitely shows he is not written correctly.

And I've had several arguments about the way Pete acts in BND, so I know what you are talking about with "everyman" is often confused with "immature/incompetent".

When Osborn became the big bad guy of the Marvel Universe, I was excited, because I saw this as an opportunity for Spider-Man to increase in status of the MU (not real life publishing, where he is the flagship character). But, alas, missed opportunities...

To be honest, there have been many missed opportunities in the last four or so years. While there have been many successful and good Marvel stories and titles, there has been plenty of ground for improvement in execution and planning.

The irony is that it is hardly that Spider-Man isn't popular. He still has a cartoon on TV (albeit it's third season is in limbo at best). There have been big movements and corporate thought on his film franchise. ASM still sells in the Top 25 at least half the time. Throw in Web and some other side projects and Spidey will still have 5 books some months. I just think there is a major disconnect in what the editors want to deliver based on their own memories and perceptions from decades ago, and what the audience wants now. You can't cater to old fans while diminishing the character development that kept them around.

I'm just saying. Would piss a lot of people off, Steve's back, and of course, Bendis is a *****e.

You have a point there. I'm honestly uncertain if Bendis would be allowed to mess with Brubaker's book too much. He's been on fire with CAPTAIN AMERICA and Marvel allowed his title to effectively sit out SECRET INVASION. Even SIEGE won't get a crossover tie in there, to the best of my knowledge. Barnes is still an important character to Brubaker and I am unsure that if he wanted him dead, he would want it to happen in another book by another writer. Note that when Steve Rogers died, he didn't die at the end of CIVIL WAR; he died in his own title, under Brubaker's pen. Of course, does Bendis have more leeway around Marvel than Mark Millar?

The Marvel editors, to their credit, didn't let Bendis put Magneto into his Cabal when he wanted to, which at least means that SOME things are "grandfather clauses" that pre-date or supercede Bendis' complete mental domination of the editorial board. One is the "make the X-Men feel like outcasts yet never let anyone besides Wolverine cross over into other worlds or have anyone show up in the X-Men books who isn't also a mutant, so they never actually are outcasts besides us saying they are" rule that Marvel has in some way or another enforced since the 90's.

There's a part of me that thinks that unless Marvel is damn confident in Brubaker's ability to keep CA afloat without allowing him to "re-kill" Bucky, they won't let it happen in SIEGE. But, on the other hand, it would "piss off" a lot of people, and Joe Q's philosophy to running a comic book company is the same as being a class clown; spark attention at all costs. Nothing else, like consequences or ambitions down the line, matters more than that immediate, fleeting, done-in-one reaction. And Bendis has been a master of that philosophy. "To hell if it doesn't make sense; no one has the stones to do it, so I will." If they were younger and had access to video cameras, this philosophy would cause them to become viral sensations when they try and fail some stunt; instead they are comic writers, who display such zeal in other manners.

Olympians are actually "more immortal" than Asgardians. The Asgardians can literally die and (at least potentially) stay dead because their "immortality" is actually just slowed aging thanks to Idunn's golden apples (not a euphemism, pervs); see Skurge, Odin, Bor, and others. They tend to keep coming back because their life force is extraordinarily potent. The Olympians are just plain immortal. At most, Ares would just wind up in Hades like Zeus did, and someone would probably free him eventually or he'd bust out or, knowing Ares, he'd kick Pluto's ass and take over. :hehe:

Anyway, I really hope it's not Bucky. It'd be lame to kill him off. I want to see him and Steve act as partners again, at least for a little while.

Yeah, I mean, one Olympian may already be dying soon in another book anyway. They go to a realm that has been fled before, even before comic books.

I also hope it isn't Bucky. Even with Rogers stealing his reason to exist, I think Brubaker wants to at least have some fun with the two co-existing as heroes again.
 
A little off topic but Spider-Man 4 officially died today. Surprise, surprise I know...

Anyway, I don't see Bucky dying. Brubaker seems to have been given carte blanche by Marvel. He obviously still has some more Bucky stories he wants to tell. If it was any other writer I think there would have been major pressure to get Steve back as Cap as soon as possible. I'm glad it's heading the way it is. Bucky should get some more time as Cap.
 
A little off topic but Spider-Man 4 officially died today. Surprise, surprise I know...

Anyway, I don't see Bucky dying. Brubaker seems to have been given carte blanche by Marvel. He obviously still has some more Bucky stories he wants to tell. If it was any other writer I think there would have been major pressure to get Steve back as Cap as soon as possible. I'm glad it's heading the way it is. Bucky should get some more time as Cap.

To play Devil's Advocate, Brubaker probably wasn't given as much pressure because CA was selling some double to triple what it was at pre-CW levels with Steve.

But I do agree with your point, I think Brubaker and his Cap story has been given some leeway by Marvel. The question would be if Bendis would genuinely want to kill Barnes, and if he did, whether if in this instance, much like with Magneto, he would hear a refusal. Those have become rarer and rarer for him since 2005.
 
The question would be if Bendis would genuinely want to kill Barnes, and if he did, whether if in this instance, much like with Magneto, he would hear a refusal. Those have become rarer and rarer for him since 2005.

I think so. Bucky was forever in the same league as Uncle Ben, "the guys they'll never resurrect club". But they did it and did it successfully. To kill him now, after proving all of the naysayers wrong by bringing him back 5 years ago would be insane. If you ever wanted to bring him back down the road you would look foolish. Marvel would have robbed itself of a great character.
 
I think so. Bucky was forever in the same league as Uncle Ben, "the guys they'll never resurrect club". But they did it and did it successfully. To kill him now, after proving all of the naysayers wrong by bringing him back 5 years ago would be insane. If you ever wanted to bring him back down the road you would look foolish. Marvel would have robbed itself of a great character.

I agree, but Marvel has been more than willing to do all of those things if it meant a very quick buck and a lot of attention/hype.

Most of me feels Marvel wouldn't do that, but I probably would put better odds of Barnes dying in SIEGE than, say, Spider-Man getting the final take-down of Osborn at the end. :dry:
 
Olympians are actually "more immortal" than Asgardians. The Asgardians can literally die and (at least potentially) stay dead because their "immortality" is actually just slowed aging thanks to Idunn's golden apples (not a euphemism, pervs); see Skurge, Odin, Bor, and others. They tend to keep coming back because their life force is extraordinarily potent. The Olympians are just plain immortal. At most, Ares would just wind up in Hades like Zeus did, and someone would probably free him eventually or he'd bust out or, knowing Ares, he'd kick Pluto's ass and take over. :hehe:
Aren't the Asgardians of the different Ragnarok cycles still the same people ressurected though? What I took from Man of War at least was that Odin had been sending Thor to Midgard for more than one cycle, until he finally gets it right in the 616 timeline. That immortality's more akin to Tolkien's, where the Elves live and die by the age of the Earth, but those who are killed prematurely wait in the afterlife until the end of the world when it's created anew.
 
It's extremely ambiguous. Thor as we know him now has been around since at least a thousand years ago, and there are conflicting accounts of the gods' origins. Either way, the Ragnaroks are done now and Thor's not going to change into a new form again, so even if that was how the gods' lives worked before, it's not anymore. Thor in his present form has already died and come back on a few occasions, too; enough times that it'd be comical for a normal superhero, but since he's a god, they just chalk it up to his godly life force being too potent to ever snuff out completely.
 
You know Asgard proper will return one day. I wish it wouldn't but comics always revert to 'iconic' form and when Thor eventually needs a boost in sales they'll do it.
 
The Ragnaroks may have ended now, but the fact that they did happen and for possibly uncountable cycles attests to the Asgardian's nature to return to life after death. It would still go hand in hand with what you're saying Corp, but I would say that death would be redefined to an Asgardian god if their nature effectively predetermins their ressurrection. What i'm really saying is that they're not neccessarily "less" immortal, their immortality just functons on a different level.
 
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I have to say I'm not really interested as much to see who get's to beat Osborn as much as I am seeing what'll become of the Avengers, since Bendis said the Big Three will return to the team after Siege.

Will the New and Mighty Avengers combine into one team of Avengers under Cap's Iron Man's and Thor's leadership? Or will the teams stay seperate? What will the line-up consist of?
 
News should leak towards the end of SIEGE. I've already heard Avengers: The Initiative will be renamed Avengers Academy. My guess for the other books is that Dark Avengers gets dropped, NA and MA stay. New Avengers may go back to the old numbering so they can have a #600.
 
Something unsatisfying to a vocal minority I'm guessing.
 
Well I'm hoping that Steve, Tony, Thor, Bucky, Clint (retaking the Hawkeye mantle) and Hank make the cut. And even though noone else likes them on the team, I hope that Spider-Man and Wolverine also remain on the team. And I hope Dan Slott writes the Main Avengers book.
 
The fatality won't be Bucky. Brubaker wouldn't let that happen, and the end of Who Will Wield the Shield? might as well have had Obama say "Steve, your role after Siege will be something completely different from what you usually do".

I think Ares is a likely candidate for dying, since he vowed to kill Osborn if he was lying, and the preview makes it look like he's realizing that Osborn did just that. Maybe he and Herc will team up to escape from Hades; the buddy comedy of the year!
 
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So who was Osborn's mystery weapon against his fellow Cabalists?
 
Olympians are actually "more immortal" than Asgardians. The Asgardians can literally die and (at least potentially) stay dead because their "immortality" is actually just slowed aging thanks to Idunn's golden apples (not a euphemism, pervs); see Skurge, Odin, Bor, and others. They tend to keep coming back because their life force is extraordinarily potent. The Olympians are just plain immortal. At most, Ares would just wind up in Hades like Zeus did, and someone would probably free him eventually or he'd bust out or, knowing Ares, he'd kick Pluto's ass and take over. :hehe:

Dude, I find it so awesome that you even know this stuff!
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Also, does anyone think Steve is bringing the New Avengers and the Mighty Avengers to the party/rumble?
 
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Are they going to kill off any supervillains? It doesn't make much sense of they don't kill any supervillains.
 
Normie might get killed off. Some of the lower tier Dark Avengers might like Bullseye(i ****ing hope not!) or Daken or MoonStone.

Maybe some villains from the Initiative too. Like Taskmaster(i ****ing hope not! But I fear he will, it's been sorta foreshadowed. He knows he is in with the big boys and he fears it will be the end of him)
 
Moonstone can drop dead. She's nothing more than a ****. >_< Daken is freaking badass on the otherhand. <3 And he's a man-****. <3
 
Yea I hate Moonstone. She is just an evil **** bag.

Daken has grown on me during his Dark Wolverine books. But I could honestly see him getting the chop.
 

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