Siege

[Anubis]

Hopefully in a few years the Ultimate Universe will be dead.

 

[Drz]

Shut up you!

 

[Tron Bonne]

With the way the line is going now, it's probably not an inaccurate statement, though

 

[Anubis]

Shut up you!

Oh come now, the Ultimate Universe is how do you saaaaayyy....s**t. Si, it is s**t.

 

[Drz]

Well Ultimate Avengers is on the top 20 sales always. Sure its nowhere near Ultimates 1 and 2 but hey, i wouldn't be surprised if we see more Millar esque Punisher someday. Tho Millar is writing something called Nemesis which is suppose to be his "next huge Marvel" thing compared to Old Man Logan and Civil War.

 

[Tron Bonne]

That's true, but the line is down to what, 3 titles? And besides the Millar one do the other ones pull their weight on the charts?

 

[Drz]

I think Hippie_Hunter stated that Ultimate Spider-Man is sadly on the same sales before it got canceled. Warren Ellis is doing a 4 issue mini for Iron Man. Then you got Jeph Loeb's comics coming up with each issue sporting like 5 variant covers. >_<

Still i'm just saying. With Millar making these "Black Ops" Avengers with heroes like War Machine, Punisher, African American Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Spider (some weird psycho Spider-Man) and so on. You never know if Marvel wants to put that stuff on the mainstream too, tho mainstream marvel has Thunderbolts which is kinda the same except there all criminals pretty much. >_>

 

[Spider-Vader]

For real. The Punisher ain't Avengers material. Neither is Wolverine, for my money. Vicious, unrepentant murderers have no place on my Avengers, gorrammit.

It's better than making Clint a homicidal maniac.

But yeah, IMO Logan should only be on X-Force.

 

[runawayboulder]

Hopefully in a few years the Ultimate Universe will be dead.

 

[hippie_hunter]

why would you just end a character after such a prime reign?

too much has been made of elevating osborn to just thrw him away...

He'll be back when this is done..after a couple years of course. When he does he should be represented as the Doom level threat he now is.

Doubt we'll see him busting open banks in SoHo after this.

I want him gone because he's just been so cool lately that you just can't top it and I fear that he'll just go back to being bland and uninteresting before Bendis made him interesting through his exposure as the Green Goblin, being in charge of the Thunderbolts, and taking control of H.A.M.M.E.R.

Seriously before Bendis reinvigorated the character he felt like the illegitimate child of Lex Luthor and the Joker who was just there to be a dick to Peter Parker.

 

[Anubis]

Warren Ellis reinvigorated the character, Bendis just managed not to f**k it up.

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

Well to be fair, i think his current craziness level started in The Pulse, where he got arrested, and then continued on into Millar's Spider-Man.

Both those interpretations were good. I also liked Paul Jenkin's GG story

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think Hippie_Hunter stated that Ultimate Spider-Man is sadly on the same sales before it got canceled.

At the rate it's going, Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man is on the verge of being lower than Ultimate Spider-Man at cancellation by issue 4 or 5.

Warren Ellis is doing a 4 issue mini for Iron Man.

Which did not debut to great numbers when you're trying to reinvigorate a brand. And sales drop of issue to is not at all good (from 51,000 to 27,000), much lower than the last issue of Ultimate Iron Man II (38,600).

Then you got Jeph Loeb's comics coming up with each issue sporting like 5 variant covers. >_<

Marvel knows that without variant covers, Jeph Loeb comics crash would not sell as good as they do. They know that people are getting fed up with him.

Still i'm just saying. With Millar making these "Black Ops" Avengers with heroes like War Machine, Punisher, African American Hulk, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Spider (some weird psycho Spider-Man) and so on. You never know if Marvel wants to put that stuff on the mainstream too, tho mainstream marvel has Thunderbolts which is kinda the same except there all criminals pretty much. >_>

But here's the thing, people really aren't caring about the Ultimate Universe anymore. The fact that it isn't new or fresh anymore along with Loeb ravaging it has killed the interest it once had.

 

[Anubis]

Well to be fair, i think his current craziness level started in The Pulse, where he got arrested, and then continued on into Millar's Spider-Man.

Both those interpretations were good. I also liked Paul Jenkin's GG story

I don't think so. He was pretty much par for the course in Pulse. It wasn't until T-Bolts, when he was in charge of the whole team that he really started to come into his own. Ellis balanced the crazy with the businessman. Bendis and everybody else just kinda followed suit.

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

I don't think so. He was pretty much par for the course in Pulse. It wasn't until T-Bolts, when he was in charge of the whole team that he really started to come into his own. Ellis balanced the crazy with the businessman. Bendis and everybody else just kinda followed suit.

Meh, before that Pulse story he was pretty much still doing the Lex Luthor thing. I liked the fact that Bendis made a point that his personality had changed (since before GG and Norman were pretty much two different personalities). And it was one of the few times up to that point that GG wasnt being calculated and manipulative and was just bat**** crazy (killing some random news reporter and whatnot).

Not to say Ellis' interpretation wasn't great nor that Bendis and the rest aren't following suit, but I just think Green Goblin had some good stories before Thunderbolts.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't think that you could have had Ellis' excellent interpretation of Norman Osborn without Bendis kicking it off in the Pulse.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Bendis has said in interviews that the reason he used norman osborn for the final shot in SI was that ellis had told him, he was gonna make Norman Osborn scary again and a real threat. Norman wasn't that tough or scary in the Pulse at all. You had a chemical genius with all these gases getting his ass handed to him by luke cage. Now I like luke cage but one gas bomb and it's over for Luke. Millar's Last Stand and more over Ellis' T-Bolts is what made Osborn a good villian again.

Frankly Bendis' DA and his Norman Osborn are just pale ghosts of what the T-Bolts were. Fraction has been doing a scarier Osborn in Iron Man.

 

[RockSP]

You had a chemical genius with all these gases getting his ass handed to him by luke cage. Now I like luke cage but one gas bomb and it's over for Luke.

Impenetrable skin.

 

[NightBeetle]

The Final Days of Dark Reign: Doctor Doom

On Doom's break from the Cabal

Bendis: "Doom's big stand with the Cabal will happen in the Cabal special. And Doom will also be faced with the secret weapon that Norman showed him that forced him to sit his ass down. The shadowy figure will reveal itself&#8230; and beat the s**t out of him&#8230; not to be too spoilery."

On the Doom/Loki alliance

Gillen: "Doom and Loki have been best mates during Dark Reign, and clearly two such kind-hearted and co-operative individuals are going to stay so for the foreseeable future. I mean, it's not as if they're a pair of megalomaniacal egomaniacs or anything."

 

[NightBeetle]

The Final Days of Dark Reign: Norman Osborn

A Preview of Siege #1

On Osborn's mental state

Bendis: "This is the big arc, as it were. I've met people in my life whose brilliance at something got them to a certain point&#8230; but it's a manic brilliance. There's a craziness that gets them to the top of the mountain, and it's the same thing that pushes them off the mountain. It's the kind of character arc that I haven't seen done a lot in comics, but I've met quite a few people like this, so I thought Norman was the perfect person to tell this. What makes Norman great at this is what's going to f**k it up for him. And if anything else, we get to see that s**tty hair drawn by some of the greatest artists in the industry &#8211; and no one knows what to do with it."

On Osborn's media pull

Fraction: "It's interesting to write what happens when his weapon of choice is turned against him. Osborn got to where he got because the right cameras were in the right direction at the right time. He was the one who used the media as a weapon. The good guys are starting to figure out that that can be spun in a different direction and in a way that doesn't work out so well for him. They know Osborn in a way that no one else does. It's an opportunity to turn the tables. It's the kung fu thing where you use someone's strength against them."

On Osborn vs. Spider-Man and the Avengers

Slott: "If Norman has one adversary in the world, it's Spider-Man. That one true adversary and driving force is Spider-Man. In Mighty you're going to get to see Norman and Hank Pym have at it in a unique way. The power of the Cosmic Cube will be involved. As bad as the events of Dark Reign have been, imagine how much worse they'll get if Osborn gets his hands on the Cosmic Cube."

 

[Anubis]

Spidey's gonna take a picture of Norman eating a baby. That's how this ends. Watch.

 

[Drz]

Ares always has such a badass pose.

 

[Anubis]

I gotta figure the pilot is kinda pissed, what with having Greek God ass in his face.

 

[RockSP]

I gotta figure the pilot is kinda pissed, what with having Greek God ass in his face.

...or he likes it, and will be pissed when Ares eventually jumps off.

 

[runawayboulder]

Who's the chick doing a Red Tornado impression above Daken?