Siege

[SouLeSS]

Osbourne has been a three piece act.

First act, his rise to power during Civil War.
Second act, his rise to fame and absolute power in Secret Invasion/Dark Reign
Final act, Siege. Where Ares kills him. Balder / Starface guy (blanking on his name, the dude that can see anything) are going to show him how Osbournes been playing him all along.

At least, I hope. Everyone else is too "good" to get their hands bloody. Spiderman wouldn't, Cap/Tony/Thor won't. Bucky might, but probably wont now that he's fully embraced the Cap mantle. Wolverine? **** him. Cyclops in the surprise of the centuary? Maybe. That'd be badass. But, it won't happen. Pym? Nah. Hawkeye? Maybe. Probably. But Ares? He straight up said "I'll kill you if you're lying" to Osbournes face. If that isn't foreshadowing I don't know what is.

 

[Anubis]

Something Bendis kinda fails to realize is that being mentally disabled doesn't always mean you're ******ed.

And Thor would kill his ass. Thor totally would.

 

[SouLeSS]

Wait...did you just call me ******ed?

 

[Anubis]

That depends....are you gonna report it?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, Thor is willing to kill. He killed Bor not too long ago in Thor #600.

Wolverine also encouraged Spider-Man to kill Osborn in Amazing Spider-Man #595. Wolverine fully believes that Osborn should be killed.

 

[SouLeSS]

No, I couldn't care less.

But if you did, bravo. It was pretty sneaky.

 

[SouLeSS]

Yeah, Thor is willing to kill. He killed Bor not too long ago in Thor #600.

Wolverine also encouraged Spider-Man to kill Osborn in Amazing Spider-Man #595. Wolverine fully believes that Osborn should be killed.

Yeah, but why would it be Wolverine or Thor? Thor I can see cause his land is being invaded, but I'm still going with Ares.

 

[Anubis]

Then sure. (I'll take credit for unintended wit.)

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor would definitely kill Osborn if he felt he had to. Before, he tended not to kill out of respect for mortal laws and/or because Odin pretty much told him not to kill humans. Now Odin's dead and Thor's respect for mortal laws seems to have fallen a bit. He'd kill Osborn for sure, especially if it meant saving Asgard.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

How would Osborn have gotten to his current position if he weren't put in charge of the Thunderbolts, though? His conviction kind of goes hand-in-hand with his rise to power.

OK, serious question here. I'm still fuzzy on the whole rise in power. Norman was in jail, right? Then, somehow (I'm guessing some authority) he is out of jail and trying to kill an Atlantean ambassador. Was this a test of whatever is in the Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers bloodstream to make them comply? Then after the assassination attempt, they go ahead and put him in charge of the Thunderbolts?

It seems pretty much only the Spider-Man fans want to see Spider-Man take Norman down at this point. I understand it since they're nemeses and all, but I think it's a vain hope. Pretty much everything about this event says that the big three are gonna take center stage and do all the climactic stuff, which I imagine would include taking Osborn down. But I'm sure Spider-Man will at least be there when all of the non-Dark Avengers come to Asgard's aid.

The reason I want Spidey involved is it is what makes Norman tick. He is obsessed with Spider-Man. The whole OMD/BND has sort of clouded this and he no longer remembers Spider-Man is Peter. But he should still be interested in getting Spider-Man. Plus he should REALLY be concerned on why he doesn't know who Spidey is when maybe he should. It seems like this aspect of Osborn has been forgotten in the current Dark Reign storyline.

Spider-Man should at least be the one that makes Osborn crack and revert to his Goblin personae which leads to him being removed from office. And, yeah, Spider-Man shouldn't kill him. No one should! I want him back in the Spider-Man Universe. I'm just wondering how Osborn would be viewed after Siege if he comes out alive. (The public seems to have forgotten about the whole Goblin thing once before).

If he should die, I hope they keep some back door open for his return. Make sure if Ares does decapitate Osborn, that they bury his head next to his neck!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know the specifics of Osborn's time with the Thunderbolts since I didn't read it.

Osborn is interested in getting Spider-Man. That's what Dark Reign: The List - Spider-Man was about. But he's got plenty of other stuff going on that kind of keeps him from being as single-mindedly obsessed with him, and there are plenty of others with a big stake in taking Osborn down now.

And he'll be back if he dies. He's come back once already and it's basically standard practice for any major villain to come back.

 

[Anubis]

You know what? Peter Parker should take him down. With a well timed picture of Osborne doing something horrible like, killing an old lady or something.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, but why would it be Wolverine or Thor? Thor I can see cause his land is being invaded, but I'm still going with Ares.

Thor would kill Osborn because Osborn is invading his home after all.

As for Wolverine, I think he would do it because of the relationship he has developed with Spider-Man over the more recent years. Spider-Man has hope in Wolverine and doesn't see him as just a murderer like the X-Men and other Avengers do. And I would like to think that Wolverine wouldn't ever let Spider-Man kill someone in return for that hope and do something like that for him.

 

[RockSP]

Spider-Man has hope in Wolverine and doesn't see him as just a murderer like the X-Men and other Avengers do.

The X-Men think of Wolverine as "just a murderer"?

 

[Anubis]

Depending on who you ask. Cyke gave him his own kill team. Jubes would probably think of him as a DFILF. (That's daddy figure I would like to f**k.)

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I don't know the specifics of Osborn's time with the Thunderbolts since I didn't read it.

Osborn is interested in getting Spider-Man. That's what Dark Reign: The List - Spider-Man was about. But he's got plenty of other stuff going on that kind of keeps him from being as single-mindedly obsessed with him, and there are plenty of others with a big stake in taking Osborn down now.

And he'll be back if he dies. He's come back once already and it's basically standard practice for any major villain to come back.

I get that. That's why I was also happy with I think Dark Avengers when he told the Dark Avengers to go out and kill the super heroes and starts naming them by name. When the Hood notes Spider-Man missing from that list, Norman notes, "oh yes, him, too. Only I want him alive."

But based on what I see with Siege, which is suppose to end Norman's Dark Reign, it looks like Spidey will play little or no involvement in Norman's end.

You know what? Peter Parker should take him down. With a well timed picture of Osborne doing something horrible like, killing an old lady or something.

That's not a bad idea, Anubis. But I was hoping something a little more direct (and maybe involving the Green Goblin).

 

[Brown Lantern]

You know what? Peter Parker should take him down. With a well timed picture of Osborne doing something horrible like, killing an old lady or something.

I like this idea alot. Yeh, have a big epic battle for Asgard, have the big three stop the Dark Avengers, but have Spidey, through all the chaos, use his brain and capture Norman at his worst angle (so to speak). Not only would this be a unexpected ending, but it would put Norman back onto his kill Spidey before all else kick, thus we have the status quo back. If only Marvel would let this those of us on the hype boards write events like this we might have better stories.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The X-Men think of Wolverine as "just a murderer"?

They see him as family, but they still see him as a murderer. It's why Cyclops gave him the leadership post of the X-Men's assassination squad. In my opinion, Jean Grey didn't love him the way Wolverine loved her, she just saw him as a friend and an object of lust because he's the "bad boy" of the group. And the X-Men that did have hope in him, Kitty Pryde (presumed dead) and Jubilee (depowered), are gone.

In Amazing Spider-Man Extra #2 he even said that the X-Men are his family and that they'd die for him, but they have no illusions over who he is and that Spider-Man is pretty much the only one left who sees him as a good guy.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

As for Wolverine, I think he would do it because of the relationship he has developed with Spider-Man over the more recent years. Spider-Man has hope in Wolverine and doesn't see him as just a murderer like the X-Men and other Avengers do. And I would like to think that Wolverine wouldn't ever let Spider-Man kill someone in return for that hope and do something like that for him.

That makes sense, but I think it would be a little out of left field for this storyline (and I admit sadly that Spidey's involvement looks like it would be out of left field).

Any idea if Loki's favor to Spidey will ever come to play (it should have created BND, not deals with Mephisto )?

 

[Iron Man]

They see him as family, but they still see him as a murderer. It's why Cyclops gave him the leadership post of the X-Men's assassination squad. In my opinion, Jean Grey didn't love him the way Wolverine loved her, she just saw him as a friend and an object of lust because he's the "bad boy" of the group. And the X-Men that did have hope in him, Kitty Pryde (presumed dead) and Jubilee (depowered), are gone.

What about Nightcrawler and Colossus?

 

[Spider-Gnome]

I like this idea alot. Yeh, have a big epic battle for Asgard, have the big three stop the Dark Avengers, but have Spidey, through all the chaos, use his brain and capture Norman at his worst angle (so to speak). Not only would this be a unexpected ending, but it would put Norman back onto his kill Spidey before all else kick, thus we have the status quo back. If only Marvel would let this those of us on the hype boards write events like this we might have better stories.

We're talking Bendis, right?

Actually, nice one, Brown Lantern!

 

[hippie_hunter]

What about Nightcrawler and Colossus?

Again like Wolverine said, they see him as family and would die for him, they aren't like Cyclops, but they don't pretend that Wolverine is something that he isn't either.

 

[StreetWarrior]

Judging by the preview art from Siege #2 over at IGN (http://comics.ign.com/articles/105/1059437p1.html), it LOOKS like the predictions are true that [BLACKOUT]Ares will turn on Osbourn[/BLACKOUT].

Also, based on that preview, I'm gonna speculate that the first casualty of siege will be [BLACKOUT]Maria Hill[/BLACKOUT].

All of this is speculation of course, but judging by the previews, I think they're healthy conclusions.

 

[Iron Man]

Judging by the preview art from Siege #2 over at IGN (http://comics.ign.com/articles/105/1059437p1.html), it LOOKS like the predictions are true that [BLACKOUT]Ares will turn on Osbourn[/BLACKOUT].

Also, based on that preview, I'm gonna speculate that the first casualty of siege will be [BLACKOUT]Maria Hill[/BLACKOUT].

All of this is speculation of course, but judging by the previews, I think they're healthy conclusions.

I hope not, I really like [blackout]Maria Hill, Fraction's done wonders with her in Iron Man[/blackout].

 

[TheCorpulent1]

In Amazing Spider-Man Extra #2 he even said that the X-Men are his family and that they'd die for him, but they have no illusions over who he is and that Spider-Man is pretty much the only one left who sees him as a good guy.

That makes it seem more like Spider-Man's just stupid than anything else to me. Wolverine is a murderer. He stopped fighting that a long, long time ago.