Siege

[Colossal Spoons]

Lex healed his invalid sister this week, but gave her the disease back. Said the only way he'd heal her for good is if Supes is brought to him, dead.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

It's on my list

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

Never saw Band of Brothers, either.

The point of my statement wasnt to make you admit to your bad taste

 

[epc11223]

There are definitely similarities, but I don't think they're detrimental to anything. There are plenty of differences that distinguish Dark Reign and Siege from those other stories: The Dark Avengers are villains posing as heroes to spin the media against the real heroes, whereas the CSA were actual evil versions of the heroes from another universe. Magneto was just a crafty guy manipulating the Phoenix to act as his weapon in X-Men 3, whereas Osborn is using his own craziness to woo the Sentry into trusting him, and Osborn has in turn been manipulated himself by Loki, Emma Frost, and various others throughout Dark Reign.

So yes, if you simplify the concepts down to a very basic level, there are similarities. But the actual content of the stories are wildly different and, more importantly, they're all fairly entertaining. You don't necessarily have to reinvent the wheel to tell a good story.

while i can see your points, and i really don't know too much about siege other than the main plots which i pointed out before, but i did some research on the crime syndicate. while they were originally from a different universe and evil counterparts to the jla, there have been stories where they disguise themselves as the good guys.


For eight issues, JLA: Syndicate Rules did not feel padded. There's a bit of time the CSA takes making mayhem, including some uniform swapping with the JLA that echoes nicely in the end, and underlines the differences and similarities between the two teams.

This story was only a few years ago, so I wonder if someone at Marvel happened to read it and gave inspiration for their story. These days I understand that it's hard to be original, for both companies, but it just seems like DC's blackest night seems more original. I know that I may get flamed for this, and i understand that I'm not fluent in things marvel, but I'm dissappointed that Siege isn't being more original. It really does seem like a rehash of a lot of other stories. It's such a shame that dc and marvel can't merge together and really work side by side to bring the best stories and art. I hate how there are exclusives and I cant see Steve Mcniven on something dc and a Jim lee rendition of deadpool. OK, i Kind of went off on a tangent, sorry about that.

 

[BrianWilly]

You really should read the stories before you judge them. The Dark Avengers don't remind me of the Crime Syndicate at all.

 

[kguillou]

I think marvel's being pretty original, what they're doing now has never been quite done to this extent in comics before. Everything is upside down, heroes are hated, heroes hate each other, the bad guys are in charge. I feel like Blackest Night is DC's version of the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, but thats just my own opinion.

 

[epc11223]

You really should read the stories before you judge them. The Dark Avengers don't remind me of the Crime Syndicate at all.

i said how i havent read it but am basing my opinion on the outline or the main part of the story. of what i do know, the story seems pretty hackneyed and i've read alot of people's reactions towards siege and they are dissatisfied as well. i'm not here to bash marvel as i said that both companies should combine together to help come up with original ideas for both companies. but as a whole, blackest night is more of a spiritual journey that hasn't really been done before. whether its power rangers or not, is irrelevant. it's about something new. from the outline of the story, siege is reminiscent of luthor/x3. again, i haven't read it, but a lot of people seem upset about siege as a whole. of course there are those who do enjoy it though.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think marvel's being pretty original, what they're doing now has never been quite done to this extent in comics before. Everything is upside down, heroes are hated, heroes hate each other, the bad guys are in charge. I feel like Blackest Night is DC's version of the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, but thats just my own opinion.

And now I picture the various corps teaming up going "It's charging time!" and calling out their respective corps

GREEN LANTERN!!! BLACK LANTERN!!! STAR SAPPHIRE!!! BLUE LANTERN!!! SINESTRO!!! RED LANTERN!!!

 

[kguillou]

^Hahahaha. Dont me wrong tho, i'm enjoying Blackest Night, i dont mind that it feels like Power Rangers cause hell, who doesn't love the Power Rangers? (The original ones i mean lol).

 

[Anubis]

Me.

Fake ass Voltron.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

The Power Rangers give me LSD flashbacks.

 

[MightyAvenge]

I'm truly enjoying Blackest Night, but who ever said Blakest Night was original, must never have heard of Marvel Zombies. I would bet miney, that if Marvel never created Marvel Zombies, DC's Blackest Night wouldn't ne crawling with Zombified heroes and villians. Instead of some wierd disease, that keeps "them" zombified, it's a power ring.

 

[BrianWilly]

You...um, do realize that Marvel did not invent this wacky newfangled phenomenon known as "zombies," right? The country has been on a zombie kick for years now.

 

[hippie_hunter]

^Hahahaha. Dont me wrong tho, i'm enjoying Blackest Night, i dont mind that it feels like Power Rangers cause hell, who doesn't love the Power Rangers? (The original ones i mean lol).

The Power Rangers were the coolest thing ever when I was growing up.

 

[MightyAvenge]

You...um, do realize that Marvel did not invent this wacky newfangled phenomenon known as "zombies," right? The country has been on a zombie kick for years now.

Uh, no ****, did i say they INVENTED zombies? NO. So, you... um, know you sound like a condesending prick . And actually, Marvel was the first to take superheroes and villians, mix them with the zombie genre and be very successful. So... again, if Marvel never created Marvel Zombies and if MZ was not a successful as it was, Blackest Night would not be all "zombified". Have a good one mr. Willy

 

[MightyAvenge]

The only thing "Power Ranger" in Blackest Night is that their are various colored laterns. There is nothing else besides multi-colors in GL and BN that are even close to being "Power Ranger-ish". The powers of GL's and PR's are totally different, also PR's al have the same powers, while different color Lanterns, have unique abilities only present in that color lantern. I love Power Rangers, so I'm not trying to dis or anything, i'm just trying to point out that everybody is over-emphasizing the whole power ranger similarity.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

You're looking too hard into it.

 

[MightyAvenge]

Into what Zombies or Power Rangers?

 

[SouLeSS]

I'm truly enjoying Blackest Night, but who ever said Blakest Night was original, must never have heard of Marvel Zombies. I would bet miney, that if Marvel never created Marvel Zombies, DC's Blackest Night wouldn't ne crawling with Zombified heroes and villians. Instead of some wierd disease, that keeps "them" zombified, it's a power ring.

Considering Johns has had this roughly planned out since Rebirth, I doubt that's true at all.

Granted his "planning" was probably just "Rebirth -> Sinestro corps -> Power Ranger Corps -> ZOMBIES!" but still.

 

[kguillou]

The Lantern chanting also reminds me of power rangers a bit too. The way how each lantern has their own oath and stuff. Again, i'm not trying to bring down BL, cause i like it alot, i'm just saying it does remind me of power rangers because of its inherent cheesiness. How is it that no writer thought of making multi-colored Lanterns before Geoff Johns? It seems like such a no brainer idea.

 

[RockSP]

It's possible that someone thought of it but editiorial said no.

 

[SouLeSS]

I'm truly enjoying Blackest Night, but who ever said Blakest Night was original, must never have heard of Marvel Zombies. I would bet miney, that if Marvel never created Marvel Zombies, DC's Blackest Night wouldn't ne crawling with Zombified heroes and villians. Instead of some wierd disease, that keeps "them" zombified, it's a power ring.

The Lantern chanting also reminds me of power rangers a bit too. The way how each lantern has their own oath and stuff. Again, i'm not trying to bring down BL, cause i like it alot, i'm just saying it does remind me of power rangers because of its inherent cheesiness. How is it that no writer thought of making multi-colored Lanterns before Geoff Johns? It seems like such a no brainer idea.

A no brainer idea now that we've been introduced to it. Like how Grimmdark came about with Watchmen. It was so obvious that it works once exposed to it, but before hand you just wouldn't think of it like that.

I mean, once the Sinestro Corps showed up it was kinda like "well ****, theres two of them wonder if theres any more?", but eh, I dunno.

 

[BrianWilly]

Uh, no ****, did i say they INVENTED zombies? NO. So, you... um, know you sound like a condesending prick . And actually, Marvel was the first to take superheroes and villians, mix them with the zombie genre and be very successful. So... again, if Marvel never created Marvel Zombies and if MZ was not a successful as it was, Blackest Night would not be all "zombified". Have a good one mr. Willy

Oh you're one of those.

You're employing causal oversimplification, declaring that there must only be one single cause for something when, in reality, nothing precludes there being multiple causes or even none, which may or may not include your single original cause.

Your original proposition was that "Marvel Zombies => Blackest Night," and have now corrected it to say "America loves zombies => Marvel Zombies => Blackest Night" after I pointed out that Marvel Zombies did not instigate the zombie hype.

What you have neglected to note, however, is that "America loves zombies => Blackest Night" is also a valid path. You claim that Marvel is the first to use zombies and superheroes together and therefore DC must have taken the idea from them if they also have a story about zombies and superheroes, but that is a false dichotomy as well. Marvel and DC are both superhero companies. By definition, most if not all stories that they put out are going to be about superheroes. Obviously you can't determine if one superhero story caused another superhero story considering that being a superhero story was an inherent characteristic of both.

The only other distinguishing characteristic is the zombies which, as I've already pointed out, has not been unique to Marvel.

How's that for "condescending prick?"

 

[SouLeSS]

Not to mention that they're not really zombies.

Or are they? I mean technically it's just avatars of the dead created by the ring, not the dead actually coming back to life.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Well Supes, Diana, Hal, etc were just turned b/c they died previously. I'd say they're "zombies"