Siege

[BrianWilly]

Something that I was thinking about after I read Gillen's Ares mini, and that I was reminded of today reading this issue...

Ares has pointed out that there are two Olympian gods of war. Athena is the one who governs everything that is strategic about war, and Ares is the one who governs everything that...isn't. For those of you who haven't read the miniseries (YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG), Ares would then spend the rest of the story grooming and teaching a small group of specialist soldiers for his own special squad. He acts the gruff general, but it's driven in that he genuinely cares for them and treats them as comrades, even going as far as to place himself in danger or not fighting at his full strength, in order to protect them. He encourages them to look out for one another and to brook no insults to their honor.

And it just got me thinking; being passionate, having camaraderie, forming the bonds between brothers and sisters that can only be forged in war...is not strategic. Emotional bonds and oaths between soldiers is not strategic, and we see Athena constantly discouraging that kind of thinking over in iHerc; she espouses total control of the battlefield, complete predictability and being able to see three steps ahead of everyone, which requires a commander to be detached and critical of all things, including friendship. Emotional ties confuse the chain of command and distract from doing what needs to be done to dominate the field. We see Athena bringing this up over and over again. If wartime friendship and comradeship can help win a fight then so be it, but on their own merits they mean nothing to Athena.

Which means that those kinds of things fall under Ares' province. He's the god of warbonds. He's the god of trusting your fellow soldiers to fight with you to the end. He's the god of leaving no man behind.

When you read Siege with that in mind, it just becomes that much more interesting.

So RIPieces, Ares you magnificent bastard. See you in a few.

 

[Drz]

Everyone this weekend get tons of beer and listen to Slayer. In memory of Ares!

 

[Docker2.0]

I don't have a problem with him dying, it's just how he died. Freakin dude ripped him in half. He's suppose to be a god........of war at that. You didn't think that he would have planned that he would face off with Sentry sooner or later. Or with him being a god that he would have went down harder than what he did.


PS- did anyone notice when Ares hit Sentry in his side, he had tentacles coming out of them? Is he some kind of demon or something?

 

[Superunknown]

You don't really believe he's gonna stay that way do you? He's dead. Herc'll be dead soon. It's totally a set up for Herc and Ares' bogus journey.

LOL! t:

Anyone think this had to do with the dope Osborn jacked Sentry up on? Was he always capable of doing what he did to Ares? Actually, to me it made Ares look weak. And though it probably looks he'd be able to do the same to Thor, it would obviously be too anti-climactic... of course. But seeing this, now I know why writers have danced around this issue by having the Sentry conveniently plucked from important fights, seeing as he's pretty much able to make short work of just about anyone.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

**** Marvel and **** Sentry.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Spoiler

 

[hippie_hunter]

Spoiler

Can anyone scan the images of Sentry tearing Ares apart and the shield to Osborne's face and PM them to me? I'm slightly poor to see these. I would love you long time.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ow.jpg

 

[hippie_hunter]

**** Marvel and **** Sentry.

Sorry dude, I loved Ares, but that was like the (only) coolest scene involving the Sentry EVER!

 

[dennisv]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ow.jpg

Oh my goodness.

 

[runawayboulder]

PS- did anyone notice when Ares hit Sentry in his side, he had tentacles coming out of them? Is he some kind of demon or something?

That's The Void, which is also the reason Sentry and Hulk fought to a standstill but Sentry owned Ares. When Sentry fought Hulk he wasn't totally taken over by the Void. As seen in the recent issue of Dark Avengers, Osborn has found a way to fully bring out The Void in Sentry and use it for his own twisted purposes. That's gonna totally come back and bite Norman in the ass before SIEGE is all said and done.

 

[Docker2.0]

So.....................adding to my theory that the big bad in Siege will be Sentry and not Loki.

 

[random_havoc]

I also find it kind of ironic that he can rip Ares in half but gets beat to a standstill by the Hulk. Green Scar Hulk but still..............

I will say forever that that Hulk/Sentry fight in WWH was complete crap. Sentry is supposed to be a great strategist who even helped train many in the Marvel U, and yet the strategy he picks to use against an opponent who's ONLY asset is brute force is to go face to face and start punching him?!?! ******ed.

P.s. I've been waiting to switch my avatar to this image for a week

 

[hippie_hunter]

But you have to take into account that the Sentry of the original mini and the Sentry who has been completely forgotten have two completely different mindsets.

I wouldn't expect the Sentry to be a great strategist with his current and deteriorating mindset.

 

[random_havoc]

But you have to take into account that the Sentry of the original mini and the Sentry who has been completely forgotten have two completely different mindsets.

I wouldn't expect the Sentry to be a great strategist with his current and deteriorating mindset.

Even still, it doesn't take a GREAT strategist to go, "Hey, that guy's got a bat he's planning to hit me with, but I've got a tazer, pepper spray, and hey, even a high powered sniper rifle." What they had Sentry do was the equivalent of the person in my scenario deciding to walk at the man with the bat, face first. It's just completely illogical and stupid

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Sentry really...damn, can he even die? He kind of...needs to.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Even still, it doesn't take a GREAT strategist to go, "Hey, that guy's got a bat he's planning to hit me with, but I've got a tazer, pepper spray, and hey, even a high powered sniper rifle." What they had Sentry do was the equivalent of the person in my scenario deciding to walk at the man with the bat, face first. It's just completely illogical and stupid

But wasn't the plan to just simply use the Sentry to calm the Hulk down due to their former friendship?

I would chalk that up to the Sentry getting caught off guard while fighting the Green Scar Hulk.

Plus until Siege #2, the Sentry has sucked hardcore after his original mini so it's totally cool to see him get his ass kicked

 

[hippie_hunter]

Sentry really...damn, can he even die? He kind of...needs to.

I agree, the Sentry killing Ares was one of those moments that put the Sentry beyond redemption IMO. Just like Norman Osborn dropping Gwen Stacy off the Brooklyn/George Washington Bridge, the Joker crippling Barbara Gordon and killing Sarah Essen, Dr. Doom sending Franklin Richards to Hell, and Lex Luthor curing his sister and then making her sick once again moments later.

 

[Anubis]

Well, technically, it's the Void that did it.


Now, if they were somehow able to separate the Sentry from the Void, I think he could still be viable. Either way, the Void could be a pretty decent villain.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I honestly hope that Sentry doesn't come to when he sees Steve is back.

I hope Steve and the rest of them kick his ass.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well, technically, it's the Void that did it.


Now, if they were somehow able to separate the Sentry from the Void, I think he could still be viable. Either way, the Void could be a pretty decent villain.

But the Sentry will never be able to separate himself from the Void. He needs to make that heroic sacrifice yet again to rid the world of the Void.

 

[Anubis]

Eh,whatevs I don't give a s**t.

 

[Anubis]

Double Post


I'm gonna be using "Whatevs" for the rest of the month, so, make a note.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I honestly hope that Sentry doesn't come to when he sees Steve is back.

I hope Steve and the rest of them kick his ass.

No one can kick Sentry's ass when he is like this. Seriously, guy is practically omnipotent.

The only way they will be able to stop him is if they get through to Bob, try and talk some sense into him.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Which won't happen.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea probably, thanks Bendis

The way I'd try and salvage the character now is have Stark get through to him, and have him turn on Osborn, then fly into the sun.