Sequels Singer Approached For X4?

X3 wasnt Ratners fault.

It was the guidelines given to the writters by the studio.The writters deserve more blame - for being unimaginative if anything (though I think the Cure plotline was not bad - its the phoenix plot I have serious issues with).

Blame the suits - not Ratner. I think he did the best he could with what he had.
 
conan69 said:
X3 wasnt Ratners fault.

It was the guidelines given to the writters by the studio.The writters deserve more blame - for being unimaginative if anything (though I think the Cure plotline was not bad - its the phoenix plot I have serious issues with).

Blame the suits - not Ratner. I think he did the best he could with what he had.
the pacing of the film is one of the worst things about it. The choice of curing Rogue is one of the worst things about it. Deleting great scenes that could help improving the character moments is one of the worst things about it.

Yes, the writers are a lot to blame, but to me, Ratner has a huge blame on it. Although Fox is the devil in business.
 
if they do make an X4 all the dead hero characters can comeback...wanna know why?? besides the fact in the Marvel Universe no one really dies here are my theories on why Scott, Jean, and Xavier are not dead...

Jean-Because she is a class 5 mutant and is more powerful than Mystique but she got stabbed the sameway.

Scott-We never see him die.

Xavier-After the credits in X3.

All these characters can come back but they need to bring in some new characters and just try to keep it as close to the comics as possible.
 
HughJackFan420 said:
Jean-Because she is a class 5 mutant and is more powerful than Mystique but she got stabbed the sameway.

Rubbish.

This isn't the comic books. It's not in Jean's nature, due to a cosmic entity, to continue to return from the dead.

Really, Jean never died. Her powers kept her alive in a cocoon of telekinetic energy. It is not in Jean Grey's nature to resurrect from the dead.

Mystique was established to have survived the stab from Wolverine. He stabbed her low, in the stomach. Not a fatal wound.

Jean was established to have been killed by the stab. One that wasn't in the stomach. But in the chest. Where vital organs, such as the heart and the lungs are.

And because it is not in Jean's nature to come back from the dead... no, she cannot be brought back.

Scott and Xavier? Yes. Xavier has already been brought back. Scott was never seen to have been killed, and though nothing is established, the movie does at least offer up evidence to something more than meets the eye happening at Alkali Lake. Why exactly was Jean lying, unconcious, on the rocks? She's never shown to pass out from power overuse. And she uses her powers in much more extensive ways later in the film than what she did to Cyclops. The common theory of having him pull back, as she loses control, and they get blasted apart in a telekinetic blast of energy, is something that is very feasible.

If an X-Men 4 were to be made, and Cyclops were to come back, it would have to be done very carefully. It could be done, however. It just needs to be treated with care, so as not to come off as cheesy and lame.
 
It's late, and I haven't scanned the rest of the pages to see if this has been officially denied, but I would certainly welcome Singer back for an X4, that's for sure. It would be very interesting to see how he'd handle the untimely deaths of Xavier & Cyclops.
 
flavio_lebeau said:
the pacing of the film is one of the worst things about it. The choice of curing Rogue is one of the worst things about it. Deleting great scenes that could help improving the character moments is one of the worst things about it.

Yes, the writers are a lot to blame, but to me, Ratner has a huge blame on it. Although Fox is the devil in business.

Singer sucks at making superhero movies just as much as much as Ratner did, i vote for a new direction **** X4 start the franchise over and get someone who can make a superhero movie

Rami and Nolan seem to have no problem blending impressive action and great storytelling, but the two guys who helmed these movies are ether action or story ******ed

lets get Besson, or Carnahan, or spend the big bucks and get a tarantino or James Cameron or something
 
L0ngsh0t said:
Singer sucks at making superhero movies just as much as much as Ratner did, i vote for a new direction **** X4 start the franchise over and get someone who can make a superhero movie

Rami and Nolan seem to have no problem blending impressive action and great storytelling, but the two guys who helmed these movies are ether action or story ******ed

lets get Besson, or Carnahan, or spend the big bucks and get a tarantino or James Cameron or something
*cough*Wachowski Brothers*cough*
 
conan69 said:
X3 wasnt Ratners fault.

It was the guidelines given to the writters by the studio.The writters deserve more blame - for being unimaginative if anything (though I think the Cure plotline was not bad - its the phoenix plot I have serious issues with).

Blame the suits - not Ratner. I think he did the best he could with what he had.


totally...Fox sucks..the rights should be sold back to Marvel. :cmad:
 
conan69 said:
X3 wasnt Ratners fault.

It was the guidelines given to the writters by the studio.The writters deserve more blame - for being unimaginative if anything (though I think the Cure plotline was not bad - its the phoenix plot I have serious issues with).

Blame the suits - not Ratner. I think he did the best he could with what he had.

Alot of it was Ratner's fault. He had input some of his own moronic ideas in the movie, like changing the third act of the movie from Washington to Alcatraz. And Angel showing up out of nowhere to save his dad. :whatever:

Who the hell else knows what other input he had.
 
Majik1387 said:
*cough*Wachowski Brothers*cough*

its fine with me, i don't want ether singer or ratner to make another xmen movie, and i don't want to see singers horrible interpretation of the xmen to ever live another day (i.e. Wolverine as the lead, cyclops not doing anything, rouge and storm sucking for most of the movies)

restart the franchise i don't care where it doesn't have to be an origin, it can be, new director new writers new actors, fresh new start and do it right

but i would choose ratner over singer because of the above mentioned neglegence toward the comics that singer showed, he basically wrote his own story and then said "ooh what, i can get 15 million bucks if i change the names characters i have to the names of the xmen, and i give all my character super powers that i wont ever use anyways"
 
L0ngsh0t said:
its fine with me, i don't want ether singer or ratner to make another xmen movie, and i don't want to see singers horrible interpretation of the xmen to ever live another day (i.e. Wolverine as the lead, cyclops not doing anything, rouge and storm sucking for most of the movies
but i would choose ratner over singer because of the above mentioned neglegence toward the comics that singer showed, he basically wrote his own story and then said "ooh what, i can get 15 million bucks if i change the names characters i have to the names of the xmen, and i give all my character super powers that i wont ever use anyways"
I hope you're kidding here. Ratner showed the same amount od negligence to the comic as Singer did. He directed Wolverine as the lead, Cyclops didn't do anything, Rogue sucked for taking the cure, Storm sucked becoming a outspoken b****. At least the characters in Singer's movies had some purpose rather than Ratner's mutant eye candy.
 
Majik1387 said:
I hope you're kidding here. Ratner showed the same amount od negligence to the comic as Singer did. He directed Wolverine as the lead, Cyclops didn't do anything, Rogue sucked for taking the cure, Storm sucked becoming a outspoken b****. At least the characters in Singer's movies had some purpose rather than Ratner's mutant eye candy.

you can't change course once your on the river that singer put them on

and plus ratner didn't write the script he showed up 2 minutes before shooting began and did everything they told him too
 
Majik1387 said:
I hope you're kidding here. Ratner showed the same amount od negligence to the comic as Singer did. He directed Wolverine as the lead, Cyclops didn't do anything, Rogue sucked for taking the cure, Storm sucked becoming a outspoken b****. At least the characters in Singer's movies had some purpose rather than Ratner's mutant eye candy.


to be honest though i don't care about ratner v singer cause neither of them are good enough for the xmen
 
I'm not gonna get in the Singer/Ratner debate, I believe someone else took over that. But Ratner wasn't just the yes man that a lot of people believe.
 
TNC9852002 said:
Why them?

-TNC
They can handle comic book movies staying true to the comic - V for Vendetta

They can handle numerous characters with each having a purpose - The Matrix movies and even the Animatrix

They know how much action and drama to put into movies, including character development, plot, etc. - V for Vendetta, Matrix movies, and the Animatrix
 
Majik1387 said:
I'm not gonna get in the Singer/Ratner debate, I believe someone else took over that. But Ratner wasn't just the yes man that a lot of people believe.

I agree with you, just wondering what evidence you have for that.
 
Nell2ThaIzzay said:
I agree with you, just wondering what evidence you have for that.

i don't agree, but i also say what evidence do you have to prove that, the only things he has admitted to changing was the placing of where the golden gate bridge was going to be and the importance of that, and also adding the fastball special (which was a bit overused) and then obvs the pacing of the film

there is more "evidence" if you will to claim that ratner was just a yes man

think about it, they basically had this script written for 2 different dircetors before hand and both directors changed what they wanted in it, and then they both left, and Ratner just said, i need attention i don't have any work right now i'll do what every you...think about it he even says this is all for me for the xmen franchise, i.e. he knows that they only needed him for one go around to fill a hole till they could find some one else to carry the franchise with his own vision
 
I don't want Fox. that's the biggest problem. But is imposibble that other studio continue the saga. Fox will want to own it, that's for sure. Singer? yes, I'd like to see a new sequel of him, but if other good director is signed, I'm glad too.
 
Angamb said:
I don't want Fox. that's the biggest problem. But is imposibble that other studio continue the saga. Fox will want to own it, that's for sure. Singer? yes, I'd like to see a new sequel of him, but if other good director is signed, I'm glad too.

Which director do you have in mind? Its such a shame theres not a really great director who loves the X-men. Does anyone know of one?
 
Silvermoth said:
Which director do you have in mind? Its such a shame theres not a really great director who loves the X-men. Does anyone know of one?

I don't think it works like that. Directors don't go round with signs on their back saying 'X-Men comicbook reader.' I doubt any film director 'loves the X-Men' in the way you hope.

The closest would be Wachowskis - who MUST be fans of the X-Men considering they added hunting robots called Sentinels into Matrix and some scenes were very X-Men styled (like the freezing of the bullets was like something Magneto could/would do).

Peter Jackson would also do a great X-trilogy. It would be best to let him start with a blank sheet and rebuild the X-Men's movieworld in a much truer way that suited an epic fantasy trilogy, recasting as he wanted, rather than having to work around the ideas of previous directors. But I doubt Fox would give him the freedom he wanted - they'd be demanding Hugh Jackman take centre-stage and then we'd be back where we started. I can just imagine how Peter Jackson would do the more way-out stuff like Sentinels, Phoenix's firebird - it would be totally awesome.

(Ridley Scott would also probably do a good job, it would be darker than Jackson and probably quite Singer-esque.)

If you want a dark, grounded, true-to-comics style, then I think the Wachowskis could do it. It would be close to the Singer style, but closer to the comics, and probably would not need to start from scratch, but could build on what we already have.

If you want big epic Age of Apocalypse type stuff, with massive mutant battles and fantastical things like firebirds and giant robots, then Peter Jackson. But I think a Jackson effort should be a trilogy that starts from scratch, recasting major characters to suit a more respectful comicbook feel. This would probably be the truest to the comics, and not as intensely dark as Singer, a little more 'fantasy' than 'realism'.
 
I don't think it works like that. Directors don't go round with signs on their back saying 'X-Men comicbook reader.' I doubt any film director 'loves the X-Men' in the way you hope.

No. What I mean is everyone wants a great director who loves the X-men comic books but talk is cheap. Does anyone actually know a director who fulfil this criteria.

The Wachowski brothers are a good idea but I highly doubt that because they put robots in their matrix film, that automatically makes them an X-fan. However they did refer to the final battle in The Matrix: Path of Neo "as serious Hulk vs Galactus fun" so maybe they are marvelites and would be interested in a truer to form X-men film. After seeing V for Vendetta, they're certainly my pick as long as they don't go over the top with special effects
 
Silvermoth said:
No. What I mean is everyone wants a great director who loves the X-men comic books but talk is cheap. Does anyone actually know a director who fulfil this criteria.

The Wachowski brothers are a good idea but I highly doubt that because they put robots in their matrix film, that automatically makes them an X-fan. However they did refer to the final battle in The Matrix: Path of Neo "as serious Hulk vs Galactus fun" so maybe they are marvelites and would be interested in a truer to form X-men film. After seeing V for Vendetta, they're certainly my pick as long as they don't go over the top with special effects

if these are the demands you are making, then you can't complain if joss (or josh) wheldon is the next guy in line, i mean, he freaking writes the comics for them

i am personally a fan of wheldons media, though i haven't read much of his comics,firefly and serenity are two of the best sci-fi productions this mellenium and i would be game for it

but seriously though, they don't have to be an xmen brain wizard, i garuntee Raimi didn't know everything about spiderman when he first started the project, but obviously if you are to do the movie right, just like making a movie in to a book (closed circut to ron howard) you probobly should read the book and if you don't do it right, alot of people are going to be pissed at you

James Cameron, get his but back on board, he wanted it in the early 90's but the budget was too big, lets give him the budget, forget these 3 where ever made, and do it right

but basically, you need someone who is enthusiastic about doing it right both ways, Bryan singer was not interested in making xmen movies, he was interested in making movies that he could show off what he could do, that he could make a comic book movie without any actual comic bookness to it, and he could get praise for making such a deep comic book movie, he honestly can care less weather the name is xmen superman hellboy or the toxic avenger he is doing it his own way, and that way has absolutley nothing to do with the source material

honestly if uwe boll had an enthusiastic approach towards making the movies, and he was going to keep it as xmen as possible, and he really cared about the little things that singer didn't, i wouldn't be thrilled, but i would say, here is a guy who wants to do it right, lets give him a shot

but its not just the director, the producers and writers and actors even all go into shaping these movies, Wolverine didn't have to be such a caring prick, and more of the rouge han solo if Hugh would have been like, "i don't think wolverine should act like this, he doesn't care about anyone but himself, and he is a ruthless bastard, not the leader of the xmen" maybe the movie would have been different

who are the directors in half the jerry brukhimer movies? the answer is probobly michael bay, but after that no one really knows, who did national treasure? top gun? con air? you will recognize all their names but you probobly don't know off the top of your head

the reason i said that ^ example is because, everything has to go right to make a movie a success, OR someone has to take the initiative, like Bruckhiemer does, or like Nolan does in BB
 
Wow, you guys really want Singer back, thats insane. He left Xmen for Superman and Fox is going back to him, wow, I never liked his Xmen, I hope that he stays busy with SR. I wonder if Fox approached him because Ratner may have decided the pressure you get from Fox is not worth the stress, and the fans gave Ratner a lot of flak and his X3 was cool IMO.

I hope Singer never touches another Xmen movie. And yeah he would want to do a Wolverine movie. He is a big Wolverine fan. He shredded the Xmen mythology and yet the fans want him back, go figure, fanboys are so weird (myself included)
 
Singer would at least deliver continuity with what he did before. And he'd do a good Wolverine movie, probably.

But I say give it to Peter Jackson (total restart, epic trilogy) or Wachowskis (X4 with Sentinels/Genosha).
 

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