Singer nay or yah

[BMM]

I agree 100%. The Jean-as-doctor change is a major deviation from how she has been portrayed since the inception of the X-Men. It's not just adding the title "Dr." to her name and upping her intelligence. (I never felt she was stupid in the comics, she just had her own set of priorities, namely shopping, Scott Summers and the X-Men.) However, given what attaining the "Dr." title requires, it fundamentally changed the very heart and soul of who Jean Grey is and what her life is all about.

Don’t be so dramatic. Adding the title ‘Dr.’ to Jean Grey does not fundamentally change the heart and soul of who Jean Grey is and what her life is about. Simply being a doctor does not inhibit her character traits. Her priorities certainly aren't limited to the likes of boys and shopping.

Same goes for Rogue. Singer made Rogue a symbol for people suffering from HIV/AIDS. The metaphor works given the nature of her powers,

What the Hell? A symbol for people suffering from HIV/AIDS?

but he portrayed her as primarily a victim suffering from an unwanted mutation that could potentially kill someone she comes in physical contact with.

Is she not portrayed as an individual suffering from an unwanted mutation that could potentially kill anyone she comes into physical contact with in the source material?

So when she decided to get the cure in X3, it completely fit with they way Rogue was established in Singer's movieverse.

Both the comic book version of Rogue and the Animated Series adaptation of Rogue heavily contemplate curing themselves. Her reasoning is the same in every incarnation.

Same goes for Iceman. Singer made him a symbol for someone "coming out." I didn't think this metaphor was as effective and seemed forced, especially the "Have you ever tried not being a mutant?" line.

Whether or not it is illustrated in the source material, Iceman did “come out” to his parents. His revelation has always been a source of strain on their relationship. His plight in X2 didn’t suddenly become symbolic of something that wasn’t already there. Iceman has always been the X-Man with family troubles. His parents have never exactly been accepting of his state of being. They very much maintain the same line of thinking in X2 as they do in the source material . . . “We love you, but there’s a catch . . .” This issue is present in the 60s, it follows through into the 90s, and is now present in the films.

Singer nailed the X-Men theme of mutants as outsiders but totally missed the real message of the X-Men, that when people work as a team their differences become an advantage.

. . . Kind of like when the Brotherhood and X-Men are working together as a team allowing their differences to become the advantage over their common threat?

That is why the lack of team battles in X1 and X2 is such a major deviation from the spirit of the comics.

I don't think the ‘real’ message of the X-Men is simply relegated to teamwork via field battles . . . although I do wish there were more of them in the films (I really wanted to see Magneto and the X-Men breaking into Stryker’s base). Then again, I don’t have millions of dollars to fork over in order to do so.

I like all the X-Men movies, but in reality they are all XMINOs. X1 and X2 would more accurately be called "Bryan Singer's X-Men." Which is why I wouldn't have minded seeing his version of X3 since the X-Men movies were really HIS vision of the X-Men. I love X3 but feel the creative team always had WWBD? in the back of their mind.

I would love to see a reboot directed by someone who places comic-book canon over their personal "vision." But really, if you are willing to accept these movies for what they are--Hollywood "interpretations"--they are all good movies. The anti- and pro-Singer divide is getting old; he left, it's over and done. I know the fans of Bryan Singer have had a painful summer seeing their hero knocked off the pedestal they placed him on, but their negavitiy, especially given the box-office results, is to be expected.

I think Bryan Singer should stay away from comic-book movies and direct movies like his Harvey Milk project. I think he is better suited to directing introspective dramas than he is to directing superhero movies.

For now, I think I’m going to reside in the fact that, unless a billionaire financier unconcerned with profits is somehow (by a miracle) able to make a film rendition of X-Men enjoyable to everyone, these films will always be Hollywood interpretations maintaining both satisfying and disappointing aspects about them.

 

[ntcrawler]

people who have AIDS / HIV can't kill others by touching them. ???

Legacy virus storyline would be a fairer comparison to AIDS / HIV, or Ebola. Heck, the symptoms are similar as are the consequences.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

people who have AIDS / HIV can't kill others by touching them. ???

Legacy virus storyline would be a fairer comparison to AIDS / HIV, or Ebola. Heck, the symptoms are similar as are the consequences.

The fact that he compared a made-up power to an actual real life disease that has killed people is really tasteless.

Shows you the mindset of Fox/Rothman loyalists.

 

[ntcrawler]

The only doubts i have are over Xavier, Cyclops and Phoenix - I would love to bring them all back, but it would be difficult - the general public and the critics might feel cheated if all the tragedy that drove X3 was 'undone'.

But that's a moot point. Xavier is shown to be back at the end of X3, so his tragedy, was graphically, "undone". Considering how much emotion was spent on his loss, the funeral scenes, that to me is an example of having my emotions cheated.

I would give Magneto his powers back eventually (I've thought of ways to go about that in a believable and accurate way) but probably not make him the main villain.

Shouldn't he consider retiring by now? He got his little war, it turned into a fiasco, and he lost. Why not let a bigger, more sinister threat step up to the plane instead?

 

[PhoenixRisen]

Don’t be so dramatic. Adding the title ‘Dr.’ to Jean Grey does not fundamentally change the heart and soul of who Jean Grey is and what her life is about. Simply being a doctor does not inhibit her character traits. Her priorities certainly aren't limited to the likes of boys and shopping.



What the Hell? A symbol for people suffering from HIV/AIDS?



Is she not portrayed as an individual suffering from an unwanted mutation that could potentially kill anyone she comes into physical contact with in the source material?



Both the comic book version of Rogue and the Animated Series adaptation of Rogue heavily contemplate curing themselves. Her reasoning is the same in every incarnation.



Whether or not it is illustrated in the source material, Iceman did “come out” to his parents. His revelation has always been a source of strain on their relationship. His plight in X2 didn’t suddenly become symbolic of something that wasn’t already there. Iceman has always been the X-Man with family troubles. His parents have never exactly been accepting of his state of being. They very much maintain the same line of thinking in X2 as they do in the source material . . . “We love you, but there’s a catch . . .” This issue is present in the 60s, it follows through into the 90s, and is now present in the films.

. . . Kind of like when the Brotherhood and X-Men are working together as a team allowing their differences to become the advantage over their common threat?



I don't think the ‘real’ message of the X-Men is simply relegated to teamwork via field battles . . . although I do wish there were more of them in the films (I really wanted to see Magneto and the X-Men breaking into Stryker’s base). Then again, I don’t have millions of dollars to fork over in order to do so.



For now, I think I’m going to reside in the fact that, unless a billionaire financier unconcerned with profits is somehow (by a miracle) able to make a film rendition of X-Men enjoyable to everyone, these films will always be Hollywood interpretations maintaining both satisfying and disappointing aspects about them.

Sorry but I don't think I can do the point-by-point thing...My brain is not capable, someday I might try it!!!!

Re: Jean. I stand by what I said, the work and choices required to earn a doctoral degree fundamentally change the heart and soul of who Jean is and what her life is all about.

Re: Rogue. You didn't pick up on Rogue being a metaphor for someone suffering from HIV/AIDS? I certainly did, and like I said...it worked. However, Singer's focus on Rogue being a VICTIM is the fundamental characterization that deviated from the way she has been predominantly portrayed in the comics.

Re: Bobby. All characters BROOD from time to time. But Bobby is primarily known as a wisecracker who lightens up gloomy situations. Again, Singer chose to emphasize an aspect of Bobby that fit into his "coming out" storyline over the way he has been predominantly portrayed in the comics.

Re: Teamwork. I don't think the alliance between the Brotherhood and the X-Men was an illustration of what working together as a team is all about.

Re: The X-Men movies. I think (maybe) we agree on this. They are all good movies, all with their strengths and weaknesses, great moments and disappointments. If you look at the "Which scene is your favorite of the trilogy?" you see so many good scenes. We X-Men fans should be thankful for what we have. Like I said, I really enjoyed Singer's X-Men movies, or else I wouldn't be here...but in my heart someday I would like to see a more true-to-comics portrayal of the X-Men.

Side note: Thank you so much for responding to my post with facts and some very nice and well articulated points. (I was hoping to start a more intersting debate than calling people names/telling them to shove it.) I hope you have a great Friday evening!!

 

[LastSunrise1981]

But that's a moot point. Xavier is shown to be back at the end of X3, so his tragedy, was graphically, "undone". Considering how much emotion was spent on his loss, the funeral scenes, that to me is an example of having my emotions cheated.



Shouldn't he consider retiring by now? He got his little war, it turned into a fiasco, and he lost. Why not let a bigger, more sinister threat step up to the plane instead?

X-Maniac is just further proving that he'll accept whatever Fox has handed to him. They made his decision for him, they made him accept their opinion as an absolute fact.

And you're right ntcrawler. What is the point of killing of Xavier only for him to return again? You said yourself they showed him in graphic detail being vaporized in high definition. And yet, X-Maniac can sit behind his computer and type with a straight face that it'll be hard to bring back Cyclops and Jean?

But yet, Xavier is brought back? Typical Fox reasoning and loyalist acceptance.

I've always said if an X4 is made they should bring in Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister which could bring Cyclops back and possibly introduce Emma Frost.

 

[PhoenixRisen]

people who have AIDS / HIV can't kill others by touching them. ???

Legacy virus storyline would be a fairer comparison to AIDS / HIV, or Ebola. Heck, the symptoms are similar as are the consequences.

Look up the word "metaphor."

 

[chaseter]

X-Maniac is just further proving that he'll accept whatever Fox has handed to him. They made his decision for him, they made him accept their opinion as an absolute fact.

And you're right ntcrawler. What is the point of killing of Xavier only for him to return again? You said yourself they showed him in graphic detail being vaporized in high definition. And yet, X-Maniac can sit behind his computer and type with a straight face that it'll be hard to bring back Cyclops and Jean?

But yet, Xavier is brought back? Typical Fox reasoning and loyalist acceptance.

I've always said if an X4 is made they should bring in Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister which could bring Cyclops back and possibly introduce Emma Frost.

That sentence is about the only thing I have agreed with you on. Clyclops' death was ambiguous for a reason. He could easily be brought back. We didn't see him die and there was a reason...whether the writer's meant for it or not...that Jean was knocked out cold and off of the rock bluff. Something happened to Scott and something made Jean be knocked cold and onto the ground. I would love Emma Frost and the Hellfire Club to be in X4 as well as Sinister and Apoc. A four horsemen story would give Angel more screen time and more character development.

 

[Cyclops]

Well, let's see. I loved Superman Returns. I have never been more offended at a movie than at X-Men: The Last Stand.

Take a wild guess.

 

[chaseter]

Well, let's see. I loved Superman Returns. I have never been more offended at a movie than at X-Men: The Last Stand.

Take a wild guess.

SR was ok...it had no action. Superman flying around saving people...I wanted to see him punch someone...but it was still good. I will hold my judgement until the next one comes out. Hopefully X4 will happen and reboot the franchise.

 

[ntcrawler]

Well, let's see. I loved Superman Returns. I have never been more offended at a movie than at X-Men: The Last Stand.

Take a wild guess.

Ditto with me. I haven't felt this way since Star Trek: Generations.

 

[Cyclops]

SR was ok...it had no action. Superman flying around saving people...I wanted to see him punch someone...but it was still good. I will hold my judgement until the next one comes out. Hopefully X4 will happen and reboot the franchise.

See, I had no problem with that, because Superman's a superhero in the purest sense of the word. While most superheroes primarily beat people up, Superman primarily saves lives. On a huge scale.

And he did a whole heck of a lot of that.

As for X3, I was highly offended that the movie that introduced the most intellectual of all the X-Men was the stupidest comicbook movie ever. And that includes Daredevil and Fantastic Four.

 

[chaseter]

See, I had no problem with that, because Superman's a superhero in the purest sense of the word. While most superheroes primarily beat people up, Superman primarily saves lives. On a huge scale.

And he did a whole heck of a lot of that.

As for X3, I was highly offended that the movie that introduced the most intellectual of all the X-Men was the stupidest comicbook movie ever. And that includes Daredevil and Fantastic Four.

I don't think I would go that far. But constantly saving people over and over gets old really quick. X3 was a good movie but certainly deserved to be better. I think the Spider-Man franchise is the best franchise out there comic book wise. Sony is a great studio and Raimi is a great director. Fox f'ed things up but I wish Singer would have stayed on. But X3 was still ok for me...2nd best movie of the summer.

 

[Cyclops]

I couldn't be nearly that forgiving. It was an incredibly mindless conclusion to a very good trilogy. How the first two films spawned something so mindless and insipid I'll never understand.

Superman had much more. The effects were better, the story was more interesting, the acting was much better, the James Marsden wasn't ****ed over, and it had Kevin Spacey. What did X3 offer to counter that? Really bad wire-fu.

 

[chaseter]

I couldn't be nearly that forgiving. It was an incredibly mindless conclusion to a very good trilogy. How the first two films spawned something so mindless and insipid I'll never understand.

Superman had much more. The effects were better, the story was more interesting, the acting was much better, the James Marsden wasn't ****ed over, and it had Kevin Spacey. What did X3 offer to counter that? Really bad wire-fu.

X3 had bigger and better actors than SR. Of course the effects were better for Supes...they spent a ton and forever on them...and lost money doing so. James Marsden is still getting f'ed over in SR. He is the illegitimate father figure to a kid that belongs to a hero who is g/f clearly has hot dreams about. Marsden was once again the nice guy who finished last...as he is in all of his movies. The plot to SR was pretty lame as well and had a lot of holes in it. If you check out the SR forums...a lot fans were highly dissapointed in it. It was overhyped and overstated just like X3 sadly was.

 

[Cyclops]

Finished last? Lois stayed with Richard. If you ask me, Supes finished last as far as that one goes. So she still has feelings for Superman. She goes to bed with Richard every night anyway.

And the acting in X3 was weak. McKellen and Stewart looked like they'd rather be anywhere else but on that set, Halle was just as bad as Storm as she'd ever been, Famke did little but stand around and bug her eyes out, Jackman was a goober, Foster did nothing, Cudmore might as well have not been there, same with Paquin and Marsden, Juggernaut's actor was cringingly awful, and... oh, I could keep going, but what's the point? The only good performance in that whole damn movie was Kelsey Grammer's.

And I doubt that any of the actors in the X-Movies are as big as Kevin Spacey. And they definitely aren't better than him.

 

[BMM]

. . . Legacy virus storyline would be a fairer comparison to AIDS / HIV, or Ebola. Heck, the symptoms are similar as are the consequences.

I never really thought about it when it was first being addressed in the comic books, but the Legacy Virus very much parallels HIV/AIDS within the confines of the X-Men universe.

The Legacy Virus was even adapted for the Animated Series . . . pretty hefty stuff for a cartoon (Haha, although everything works out much better in the cartoon, as it usually does).

Sorry but I don't think I can do the point-by-point thing...My brain is not capable, someday I might try it!!!!

Haha. Sorry. I know how you feel. I try my best not to point-by-point post (although it doesn't look like I'm doing too good of a job).

Re: Rogue. You didn't pick up on Rogue being a metaphor for someone suffering from HIV/AIDS? I certainly did, and like I said...it worked. However, Singer's focus on Rogue being a VICTIM is the fundamental characterization that deviated from the way she has been predominantly portrayed in the comics.

I guess I never really found Rogue to be a symbol for people suffering from HIV/AIDS in the movies any more than she would be in the comic books . . . but I also never really found Rogue to be a victim in the films any more than she is in the comic books either. I thought she initially felt very much alone as is depicted in X-Men, but by the end of the film, I thought she looked very comfortable and moreso a part of a family while playing foosball with Iceman, etc. In X2, I never really felt she was portrayed as being a victim in any of her scenes. She warns Bobby a couple of times about her powers, but aside from that (which I don't view as being victimized), I thought she was much more self-assured on the whole. In fact, I really don't see any traces of pity-party Rogue in X2, which is nice, because she likes to throw them a lot in the source material.

Re: Bobby. All characters BROOD from time to time. But Bobby is primarily known as a wisecracker who lightens up gloomy situations. Again, Singer chose to emphasize an aspect of Bobby that fit into his "coming out" storyline over the way he has been predominantly portrayed in the comics.

I don't mind Bobby's arc in X2. It is an important aspect of his character history, and I'm glad it was addressed. It seems it isn't often focused on in the comics, but it is one of his meatier personal issues. I like his class clown efforts in X-Men, and was hoping for more of them in X-Men 3 since his more personal issues had been addressed in X2.

Side note: Thank you so much for responding to my post with facts and some very nice and well articulated points. (I was hoping to start a more intersting debate than calling people names/telling them to shove it.) I hope you have a great Friday evening!!

Haha. No problem.

 

[chaseter]

Finished last? Lois stayed with Richard. If you ask me, Supes finished last as far as that one goes. So she still has feelings for Superman. She goes to bed with Richard every night anyway.

And the acting in X3 was weak. McKellen and Stewart looked like they'd rather be anywhere else but on that set, Halle was just as bad as Storm as she'd ever been, Famke did little but stand around and bug her eyes out, Jackman was a goober, Foster did nothing, Cudmore might as well have not been there, same with Paquin and Marsden, Juggernaut's actor was cringingly awful, and... oh, I could keep going, but what's the point? The only good performance in that whole damn movie was Kelsey Grammer's.

And I doubt that any of the actors in the X-Movies are as big as Kevin Spacey. And they definitely aren't better than him.

Kate Bosworth looked like an anorexic Lois, Superman had corny jokes as always, Kumar should have never been in the movie because he, along most the other henchman said not one word, the plot with Luthor and the crystals was lame and weird...he is just going to sit on an island with no supplies??? He had no weapons...the military could have came in and blew the place up. The model city set had destruction and death everywhere yet not nearly as severe as it should have been...see I can do it to. And Supes had sex with Lois and stalks her...Marsden will be tooled and tossed in the next movie guaranteed. For you to sit there and say McKellan and Stewart's acting was horrible is just ridiculous. I wish you could say that to Ian's face...he is a great actor and was perfect as Magneto. It to me seems you are a Singer loyalist and follow him around and accept anything he does.

 

[Cyclops]

Horrible? No. Bored? Listless? Yes.

And actually, the ONLY Bryan Singer movies I've seen are the X-Men movies and Superman. I couldn't give a **** about Bryan Singer's work otherwise.

 

[tonytr1687]

X3 had bigger and better actors than SR. Of course the effects were better for Supes...they spent a ton and forever on them...and lost money doing so. James Marsden is still getting f'ed over in SR. He is the illegitimate father figure to a kid that belongs to a hero who is g/f clearly has hot dreams about. Marsden was once again the nice guy who finished last...as he is in all of his movies. The plot to SR was pretty lame as well and had a lot of holes in it. If you check out the SR forums...a lot fans were highly dissapointed in it. It was overhyped and overstated just like X3 sadly was.

Actually a lot of fans liked SR (take a look at the poll in the main sticky thread, or the poll on the comingsoon home page)...its just the haters over there are very vocal. Most of the ppl that liked it dont go into the forum anymore. I dont think SR is a masterpiece or anything but compared to X3 it is. I think its hilarious when ppl say it had no action and then list off the amount of times he catches something or saves someone. Guess what...all those scenes where he catches something or saves someone? Those are ACTION sequences. Last time I checked someone doesnt have to get punched for it to be an action sequence. There were about 5 action sequences in the movie and thats pretty good if you ask me, about the same amount as Spider-man 2. And look...I dont see ppl complaining about a lack of action in that film. The only hole in SR was some of Lex's plan...but ridiculous schemes are a part of every superhero flick. I mean you dont see ppl complaining about Ras' scheme in Batman Begins, and that was pretty damn absurd as well. Everything else in SR can be easily explained if you pay enough attention. Sadly the same cannot be said for X3.

 

[X-Maniac]

X-Maniac is just further proving that he'll accept whatever Fox has handed to him. They made his decision for him, they made him accept their opinion as an absolute fact.

And you're right ntcrawler. What is the point of killing of Xavier only for him to return again? You said yourself they showed him in graphic detail being vaporized in high definition. And yet, X-Maniac can sit behind his computer and type with a straight face that it'll be hard to bring back Cyclops and Jean?

But yet, Xavier is brought back? Typical Fox reasoning and loyalist acceptance.

I've always said if an X4 is made they should bring in Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister which could bring Cyclops back and possibly introduce Emma Frost.

Here we go again... PMS Incarnate strikes again. Your menstrual cycle is very short...it takes about five minutes before you go off on one of your silly attacking posts.

So, let's see. Do I accept whatever Fox hands to me? No. But this movie is a done deal, I accept that... I think you should too. You cannot unmake it - that's the end of that discussion.

I think the mainstream audience would feel cheated if Xavier, Jean or Cyclops came back. This movie made very daring, final, controversial choices... and I do not agree with them all. But those choices were made. Let me add now, since you appear to need it spelling out - I did not make the movie, i did not make those choices, I do not agree with all those choices, but the FACT is that those choices were made. That is not an arguable point.

I would love to see Xavier, Cyclops and Jean return. Please read that line several times, let it sink in before fly off on one of your preposterous attacks. I'll say it again for you, this time in big letters, just so it doesn't pass by your clouded brain: I would love to see Xavier, Cyclops and Jean return

However, a mainstream audience is not going to easily accept Jean popping up again, they may not accept Cyclops' return, and I'm not sure how they bring back Xavier even if his conciousness still exists.

It's not to do with loyalism or blind acceptance, it's to do with looking at what we got - and now it's too late to scream for them to change it - and applying common sense. Please do the same.

 

[chaseter]

Actually a lot of fans liked SR (take a look at the poll in the main sticky thread, or the poll on the comingsoon home page)...its just the haters over there are very vocal. Most of the ppl that liked it dont go into the forum anymore. I dont think SR is a masterpiece or anything but compared to X3 it is. I think its hilarious when ppl say it had no action and then list off the amount of times he catches something or saves someone. Guess what...all those scenes where he catches something or saves someone? Those are ACTION sequences. Last time I checked someone doesnt have to get punched for it to be an action sequence. There were about 5 action sequences in the movie and thats pretty good if you ask me, about the same amount as Spider-man 2. And look...I dont see ppl complaining about a lack of action in that film. The only hole in SR was some of Lex's plan...but ridiculous schemes are a part of every superhero flick. I mean you dont see ppl complaining about Ras' scheme in Batman Begins, and that was pretty damn absurd as well. Everything else in SR can be easily explained if you pay enough attention. Sadly the same cannot be said for X3.

Saving people is passive action. Yea it is needed for any superhero and is essential. But every superhero has to get into a brawl and fight or it is just not a "superhero". A lot of critiques complained about the lack of action. They still said it was a good movie...which it was...I am not saying it sucked...but Superman needed a good foe for this movie to reboot the franchise. I have heard abunch of the complaints of in the SR forums and a lot I never would have noticed unless they were pointed out to me. Ras' scheme was absurd sure...but it was logical and actually a bit more detailed. Lex's scheme was just way over the top. The complainers for SR are exactly the same as in here. They take small problems and make them huge...trying to justify their complaints by saying plot holes or bad writing. Just because we don't see Jean changing outifts doesn't mean 'plot hole'. The haters over here are very vocal as well. Box office numbers showed that more people liked X3 over SR...that is on every movie page.

 

[chaseter]

So, let's see. Do I accept whatever Fox hands to me? No. But this movie is a done deal, I accept that... I think you should too. You cannot unmake it - that's the end of that discussion.

It's not to do with loyalism or blind acceptance, it's to do with looking at what we got - and now it's too late to scream for them to change it - and applying common sense. Please do the same.

Sadly some people on these boards will never accept that. I complained for about a week and then I got over it. I liked the movie but knew it lacked a lot. I am just on here defending it because the constant complaints from dissatisfied fanboys has pissed me off. It is funny that they think that their constant barrage of complaints might turn back time and X3 will be remade or maybe even Fox might here their concerns...yet they won't because they don't give a f***....just like every other studio that has ever existed.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Here we go again... PMS Incarnate strikes again. Your menstrual cycle is very short...it takes about five minutes before you go off on one of your silly attacking posts.

So, let's see. Do I accept whatever Fox hands to me? No. But this movie is a done deal, I accept that... I think you should too. You cannot unmake it - that's the end of that discussion.

I think the mainstream audience would feel cheated if Xavier, Jean or Cyclops came back. This movie made very daring, final, controversial choices... and I do not agree with them all. But those choices were made. Let me add now, since you appear to need it spelling out - I did not make the movie, i did not make those choices, I do not agree with all those choices, but the FACT is that those choices were made. That is not an arguable point.

I would love to see Xavier, Cyclops and Jean return. Please read that line several times, let it sink in before fly off on one of your preposterous attacks. I'll say it again for you, this time in big letters, just so it doesn't pass by your clouded brain: I would love to see Xavier, Cyclops and Jean return

However, a mainstream audience is not going to easily accept Jean popping up again, they may not accept Cyclops' return, and I'm not sure how they bring back Xavier even if his conciousness still exists.

It's not to do with loyalism or blind acceptance, it's to do with looking at what we got - and now it's too late to scream for them to change it - and applying common sense. Please do the same.

Tell that to the fans who got Batman Begins.

Just admit you love Fox, love the film, love Rothman, and be done with it.

 

[chaseter]

^You do have a good point there...about BB. But I still don't think the complaints in here are going to amount to anything...especially any time soon. The X-Men franchise isn't over like the Batman one was. They already said they are showing interest in X4 but without the bigger names(Halle, Hugh, etc...)This movie will not be remade anytime soon and probably never. And to say or imply X3 was relatable to the latter Batman movies is ridiculous.