Singer nay or yah

[danoyse]

My hatred of the film is political and personal really. I hate Fox, I hate Ratner, I hate Kinberg and Penn, and I hate those who just blindly follow it and praise it like Jesus Christ Himself came from the Heavens to direct the film.

Do you really want people to sympathize for you? You were disappointed by the movie. It wasn't what you wanted. Is pulling what you pull making you feel better about things? Are they rushing out to make you a new movie so you can feel better?

Do you honestly think you've impressed anyone?

So if my words hurt your feelings then I won't apologize. As I said, the XVerse is full of people who loved the film and don't question its flaws, so go there if you want to be around people who love it 24/7.

No, sorry...you're not driving anyone away from here. You're just going to have grow up and deal with it.

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think it did, either. Since they weren't using Beast, they did need a character for scenes of scientific/medical explanations of mutation, and Jean seemed a good enough fit for it.



I didn't see that connection at all.

I don't think the movie version of Rogue was meant a symbol of anything outside of an extreme mutation--not being able to touch anyone. A lot of the abilities the X-Men have would be considered "cool" by many just being introduced to the characters. Rogue has a mutation that most people wouldn't want.

She was terrified of that mutation in the first movie, was more comfortable by the 2nd movie--not so much by the mutuation, but by being around people who weren't going to shun her for it, and she was adapting.

I just watched X2 again this week, as much as she was adapting, she still looked like the thing she wanted most was to touch someone. The biggest smile she had in the movie was that little kiss she shared with Bobby in his bedroom. I think she would have jumped at the chance of a cure at any point in the trilogy, not just in X3.

For the sake of accurate representation, it would have made more sense to have Beast as the scientist/doctor, or Moira MacTaggert. A human Beast in X1, becoming furry when Dark Cerebro causes mutants to freak out in X2.

Also, Rogue... Well, I don't 'hate' what they did in the movies, but it is not an accurate representation, either of Rogue or of mutations. In creating a grey area (that not all mutations are fabulous), it's interesting; but, still, the whole point is that these are Homo SUPERIOR whose mutations give them an advantage. The x-gene kicks in as a survival mechanism. In Rogue's case it should have kicked in when she was about to be attacked or raped or physically harmed, not when she was sharing a non-stressful kiss.
This aspect of the concept of mutants was not correctly represented. Still, it made an interesting facet to the idea... but it's not what the X-Men are all about.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Sunrise, ****ing STOP IT!

I know that you're more intelligent than this childish bickering of your's. You're attacking people for no good reason. Nobody ever attacked you. Nobody ever told you to love this film and praise it. You're just doing this for attention, and to be a prick.

There is no "truth" that this movie was a steaming pile of crap. Opinions can never be truth, because they aren't objective. You can't be objective in personal opinion.

And so what if nobody acknowledges any flaws? Did it ever occur to you, that perhaps there weren't any flaws in those people's eyes?

Only problem is, X-Maniac, Danyose, and everyone you've called out, HAVE pointed out flaws, and don't find this movie to be the perfect rainbows and sunshine movie you claim they think it is.

No, the only truth here, is that you're ignorant and closed minded, and you cannot accept it when people have a different opinion than you. Then when I call you out, you always claim how much you respect me as a poster, and you respect my opinion, but the only reason you do is because of my initial review of the movie, some of which still stands, and you see there are things about this movie that I dislike, so you love the **** out of it beacuse I have complaints about this movie too.

Stop it. Stop acting like a child, LastSunrise. I've seen you post on here too much in other topics to know that you're too intelligent for this kind of behavior. And I'm not saying I want this to happen (because you otherwise ARE an intelligent poster), but your behavior on this topic is really something that I'd deem worthy of banning... because your constant trolling and *****ing is doing nothing but causing trouble between yourself and other posters.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Really, trying to tell LastSunrise1981 that he can't contribute to a debate maturely and respectfully is useless. We know he comes off as a lesser-minded preteen, but is that really the case? Probably. Either way, the outcome of this situation will most likely end as Jan predicted; not well.

It seems the poster at hand, LastSunrise1981, can't handle his own disapointment in this film - and continues to attack those who can, or those who enjoyed the X3. I figure that people permitted to interact in a community, be it a town, a city, a school, or even a community that is based on the internet, are allowed to do so if they respect one another. LastSunrise1981 fails at this overly simple task completely. He can't accept that we may enjoy the film and still be fans of the comic, or that we could know good story telling, or that we could even have intelligence! It isn't that we targets are extremely offended by his ridiculous accusations (which are based on nothing but more of his accusations), but feel we should be able to contribute fully to fair discussions and debates without being attacked. We have tried, time and time again, to assure him that we could care less he disliked X3, and to try our best to get him to stop acting like a paranoid anti-happy nazi. Many of us have never scolded him for not enjoying X3, and yet he continues to us, us being the section of SHH!'s Population which liked or enjoyed some of the movie.

This matter has gone beyond liking or hating a movie; now it has come to blind accusations. Most of us can respect another member's views and opinions. It's a shame that LastSunrise1981 obviously can't.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

For the sake of accurate representation, it would have made more sense to have Beast as the scientist/doctor, or Moira MacTaggert. A human Beast in X1, becoming furry when Dark Cerebro causes mutants to freak out in X2.

Also, Rogue... Well, I don't 'hate' what they did in the movies, but it is not an accurate representation, either of Rogue or of mutations. In creating a grey area (that not all mutations are fabulous), it's interesting; but, still, the whole point is that these are Homo SUPERIOR whose mutations give them an advantage. The x-gene kicks in as a survival mechanism. In Rogue's case it should have kicked in when she was about to be attacked or raped or physically harmed, not when she was sharing a non-stressful kiss.
This aspect of the concept of mutants was not correctly represented. Still, it made an interesting facet to the idea... but it's not what the X-Men are all about.

Actually, this concept of mutation WAS correctly represented.

The way Rogue's powers manifested in the movies? Yup, that's how it happened in the comics too. The only difference was, in the comics, the boy's name was Cory, and in the movie, it was David.

The powers of the X-Men have never been so one sided... they have always been "the gift and the curse"... the powers that aren't just all kick ass, but sometimes kicks in the balls. Rogue's struggle in the movies is very accurate to her struggle in the comics with her power. The only difference is, in the comics, because of the nature of the medium, they did a lot more to make Rogue a lot more kick ass, and she had permanently absorbed powers from Ms. Marvel. But I have comics even when she HAS those powers, where she is a total emotional wreck over her powers, just like in the movies.

On the surface, Rogue was done horribly in the trilogy. But when you actually look at the character in the comics, and not the green spandex, long flowing hair, and "Sugah" after every Sentinel thrown through a mountain, the only flaw in Rogue's story arc in the movies is that she actually DOES go through with the cure, something she'd seriously contemplate in the comics, but never do.

These powers were never supposed to be all good and no bad. As cool as his power is, it's a curse for Cyclops to always have to see the world through ruby quartz glasses, never being able to look upon the world, or his family, with his own eyes. Nor can the woman he loves, ever truly look into her lover's eyes. Rogue's curse is obvious. Characters like Beast (though his mutation is secondary), Nightcrawler, the Morlocks, and hell, even the beautiful Angel, can never truly co-exist in the real world because of their obvious mutations.

Yea, true, some mutants have kick ass mutations, with little to no negative side-effects, like Storm, Colossus, Professor Xavier, Magneto, etc... but that's NOT the point of the mutations in the X-Men world. It's not just these powers that make mutants a hell of a lot cooler than humans. It's powers that, although give you power that a normal human could never have, it's also a curse, that you'll never be able to live a normal life because of your mutation.

That's what Singer established, and that was done absolutley perfectly.

 

[X-Maniac]

Well-argued, Nell... It's a shame Rogue's story focused more on the 'curse' than the 'gift'.

 

[danoyse]

For the sake of accurate representation, it would have made more sense to have Beast as the scientist/doctor, or Moira MacTaggert. A human Beast in X1, becoming furry when Dark Cerebro causes mutants to freak out in X2.

I was such a big fan of Beast in the comics I was always bummed they didn't use him from the start.

Also, Rogue... Well, I don't 'hate' what they did in the movies, but it is not an accurate representation, either of Rogue or of mutations. In creating a grey area (that not all mutations are fabulous), it's interesting; but, still, the whole point is that these are Homo SUPERIOR whose mutations give them an advantage. The x-gene kicks in as a survival mechanism. In Rogue's case it should have kicked in when she was about to be attacked or raped or physically harmed, not when she was sharing a non-stressful kiss.
This aspect of the concept of mutants was not correctly represented. Still, it made an interesting facet to the idea... but it's not what the X-Men are all about.

I thought she was utterly different from her character in the comics. I always felt that they took maybe one period in her life when her mutation first kicked in, and just didn't develop it that much from there. There was room to develop it if they had continued the series, but unfortunately, they left it there.

For the sake of the story of the trilogy, I thought it worked for her to take the cure. It was clear the thing she wanted most was just to touch someone. But I would have loved to see her character develop the comics route as well.

 

[BMM]

In today's market, almost every movie maintains a steep drop after its opening weekend.

In so far as Superman Returns and X-Men: The Last Stand, I think that if both movies had lived up to their potential, they both wouldn't have had comedies such as The Break-Up and The Devil Wears Prada giving them runs for their money. A recent blurb in RollingStone probably best sums up this summer.

A Actually, no film merited an A, or fully erect thumb the whole d*** summer season. These came closest: Miami Vice (action), Cars (animation), Little Miss Sunshine (amusement), An Inconvenient Truth (audacity), Down in the Valley (artistry), A Praire Home Companion (Altman magic), Meryl Streep in The Devil Wears Prada and Ryan Gosling in Half Nelson for Academy-worthy acting.

B Box-office top dog is Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest ($400 million and still ticking), Mi3, X-Men: The Last Stand and Superman Returns also scored but failed to live up to potential.

The Last Stand will undoubtedly make money on dvd. If Elektra can move almost 2 million units in dvd sales, and rake in $8.3 million in rentals, while maintaining a top spot in its first week of release, then The Last Stand will do fine.

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=12601

http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/va/20050414/111349797100.html

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Sunrise, ****ing STOP IT!

I know that you're more intelligent than this childish bickering of your's. You're attacking people for no good reason. Nobody ever attacked you. Nobody ever told you to love this film and praise it. You're just doing this for attention, and to be a prick.

There is no "truth" that this movie was a steaming pile of crap. Opinions can never be truth, because they aren't objective. You can't be objective in personal opinion.

And so what if nobody acknowledges any flaws? Did it ever occur to you, that perhaps there weren't any flaws in those people's eyes?

Only problem is, X-Maniac, Danyose, and everyone you've called out, HAVE pointed out flaws, and don't find this movie to be the perfect rainbows and sunshine movie you claim they think it is.

No, the only truth here, is that you're ignorant and closed minded, and you cannot accept it when people have a different opinion than you. Then when I call you out, you always claim how much you respect me as a poster, and you respect my opinion, but the only reason you do is because of my initial review of the movie, some of which still stands, and you see there are things about this movie that I dislike, so you love the **** out of it beacuse I have complaints about this movie too.

Stop it. Stop acting like a child, LastSunrise. I've seen you post on here too much in other topics to know that you're too intelligent for this kind of behavior. And I'm not saying I want this to happen (because you otherwise ARE an intelligent poster), but your behavior on this topic is really something that I'd deem worthy of banning... because your constant trolling and *****ing is doing nothing but causing trouble between yourself and other posters.

Oh please, I haven't done anything to warrant a ban. I respect your initial review because you did enjoy the movie, but recognize the flaws and don't insult anyones intelligence.

The fact that YOU can sit there and defend those very same people who attacked YOU because you pointed out some flaws, you should just walk away and never return Nell. I don't have a problem with ANYONE who likes X3 at all.

But don't insult those who dislike it by saying, "Those who hate it are Singer fanboys", "those who hate it aren't Super-Hero fans", "Those who hate it can't appreciate 100% fun". Keep in mind X-Maniac made those accusations first, no one attacked anyone for liking the movie at all, but he made those accusations first and his followers Weatherwitch and Danoyse followed him in that same path.

I know you, YJ1, X-Maniac, and a couple of others want me banned from this site. You want me banned so no voice of reason can exist here and only praises can exist, and that's fine, but I'm not going to stoop down to a level so low that would get me banned like you hope will happen.

Bottom line? I'm tired of you. I'm tired of people like X-Maniac, I'm tired of people like Weatherwitch and Danoyse. I'm tired of people who constantly praise it as if it's Gods gift to cinema.

I'm tired of people who come on this site insult those who are comic book fans and aren't happy with the product. So this is the last time I'll post in your beloved thread, as I can see that no negativity is allowed and only praise is welcome.

 

[X-Maniac]

In today's market, almost every movie maintains a steep drop after its opening weekend.

In so far as Superman Returns and X-Men: The Last Stand, I think that if both movies had lived up to their potential, they both wouldn't have had comedies such as The Break-Up and The Devil Wears Prada giving them runs for their money.

Possibly, but we do live in a throwaway society. People want it now, preferably yesterday, then they forget about it and want something else. So everything has to be an instant hit to be a success (X3 succeeded there) and everyone's only interested for 5 minutes until the next thing comes along.

Remember the days when music releases climbed the charts to No 1? Now, they enter high then vanish and are deleted and unavailable. At a recent record fair there were heaps of vinyl releases (dance music) only a few months old, all discarded and unwanted. Many people opt for mp3s because they know they'll not be playing the songs in a week's time - a friend of mine is exactly like that, he has given up buying any music.

Movies also are part of our 'instant' culture. Wanted frantically before release, then largely forgotten a few days later. Thus, everything suffers a steep drop - very little has longevity in people's minds, which are crowded with this global culture's endless information and endless possibilities and temptations.

 

[X-Maniac]

I know you, YJ1, X-Maniac, and a couple of others want me banned from this site. You want me banned so no voice of reason can exist here and only praises can exist, and that's fine, but I'm not going to stoop down to a level so low that would get me banned like you hope will happen.

This alleged Voice of Reason you mention? When can you you start using it? Has it been lost in the post, was the brochure sold out on it?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

LastSunrise, you really need to take a reading comprehension course or something, because that seems to be your biggest problem.

Didn't you see the part of my post where I said "I don't want this to happen", in regards to my thinking your attitude is borderline ban-worthy?

I want you here. You're an intelligent poster. For the most part.

Yes, a lot of people insulted me when I came and posted utter disappointment with the film. But you know what? That was like, 3, 4 months ago. And it was ON THE INTERNET!

No offense to anyone here (because for the most part, this is a much more intelligent message board than others I've been on), but I've been on the internet too long, and I know what kind of people post on internet message boards, and I've learned (the hard way, mind you) not to take what people think to too much heart. I've been through all of this crap before.

Look, if you disliked the film, if you utterly despised it, then that's great. I wanna discuss the movie with you. I want you to discuss what you didn't like, and why, and I want to reply with what I liked, and why.

But you're doing none of that. You're calling out people, by name, because they liked the movie, and they can accept certain things in the film that you can't, and you run around calling them Fox loyalists, or whatever the hell. That's not intelligently discussing the movie. Hell, what you're doing isn't even discussing the movie. To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen you say once what you disliked the movie. You just run around screaming that you hated the movie, and calling out everyone who loves it (except me for some reason) claiming that they are Fox loyalists with no intelligence who need to raise their standards because they will accept whatever that's given to them.

AND THEN YOU PLAY THE GOD DAMNED VICTIM!!!!!

No, I don't want you banned. And I don't want you to leave our threads. And I don't want you to stop discussing what you disliked about the movie.

BUT YOU'VE DONE NONE OF THAT! I don't know why you disliked the movie. All I know is that you do, and that you hate anyone who does like the movie, and is able to accept things that you deem unacceptable.

That's why there's no discussion going on, except insults, when you come around, because that's all you allow to happen.

So stop with the name calling. And don't you even dare call me out, because you really need to read my posts, because I have never once said I wanted you banned, I wanted you to shut up, or I wanted you to leave.

I think you're an intelligent poster. I've seen many intelligent things come from your posts in the past. But for some reason, when this subject comes up, you're intelligence takes a vacation, and you blindly insult anyone who wasn't offended by this movie as if Tom Rothman, Brett Ratner, Simon Kinberg, and Zak Penn tied them up and gang raped their mother in front of them.

All I ask is that when you post, you post with respect to other posters, and their opinions. Yes, I took some heat, but that was 4 months ago dude. And seriously, that whole "he started it!" mentality is for ****ing 2nd graders. And I KNOW that you're more intelligent than that. I KNOW you're above a 2nd grade mentality.

Act like it.

 

[BMM]

Possibly, but we do live in a throwaway society. People want it now, preferably yesterday, then they forget about it and want something else. So everything has to be an instant hit to be a success (X3 succeeded there) and everyone's only interested for 5 minutes until the next thing comes along.

Remember the days when music releases climbed the charts to No 1? Now, they enter high then vanish and are deleted and unavailable. At a recent record fair there were heaps of vinyl releases (dance music) only a few months old, all discarded and unwanted. Many people opt for mp3s because they know they'll not be playing the songs in a week's time - a friend of mine is exactly like that, he has given up buying any music.

Movies also are part of our 'instant' culture. Wanted frantically before release, then largely forgotten a few days later. Thus, everything suffers a steep drop - very little has longevity in people's minds, which are crowded with this global culture's endless information and endless possibilities and temptations.

Is this not what I was acknowledging in my first sentence?

In today's market, almost every movie maintains a steep drop after its opening weekend.

 

[danoyse]

In today's market, almost every movie maintains a steep drop after its opening weekend.

I just read an article about the opening weekend. It quoted Tom Hanks as saying the opening weekend is when you find studio executives vomiting into wastebaskets. They know by Monday whether or not their films met expectations.

With the shortened DVD release window (I was in the mall last week and couldn't believe "Posideon" was already out ), movies are just so geared to make as much as they can by the first weekend, then make the rest of their money with DVD and cable revenue.

I'm guilty of it myself--I see movies being released that look good, but I know I'll wait for DVD because they'll be out soon enough anyway. I have a friend at work who was so excited for X3 that she put it in her Netflix queue the weekend it was released. She still hasn't seen it.

 

[tonytr1687]

Internet polls aren't so much biased as they are easily manipulated. Anyone can post a link to a poll on a message board so fans can give their favorite an edge. Anyone can find ways to vote multiple times.

And it doesn't just happen with movies--it happens with all-star voting in sports as well. Even Stephen Colbert is doing it with his audience, trying to get them to a website to vote so he can have a bridge named after him in Hungary. t:

SR had slightly better legs...but it still didn't make as much money as X3. Go to the SR boards and you'll find calls for a reboot, and Singer and his writers being called hacks as often as Ratner, Kinberg and Penn are here.

Every film this year has had a significant dropoff on it's 2nd weekend, even POTC2 dropped by half on it's second weekend--and that was the first movie in 5 years to actually stay #1 for 3 weeks in a row. X3's second weekend drop was big, there's no denying that...but it did continue to be successful enough to overcome the mixed reaction from the fans.

Yes I know about all the *****ing over in the SR forum. The same kind of thing that happens here and its ridiculous: calls for reboot? Come on. Neither SR nor X3 are as bad as Batman and Robin and its heinous to suggest that a reboot should happen. Its like expectations were so high on both films that anything below fantastic means failure. I was very disappointed in X3 but I'm not about to go crying for a reboot. Thats stupid and ppl need to get some perspective. As far as the SR forum is concerned, you should know most of the fans of that film have left and thats why you see nothing but complaints. Things over here are a little more balanced only b/c niether side has left. Regarding the reaction to X3, it wasnt just mixed from the fans, it was mixed from everyone. Everyone I know who saw it wasnt very impressed, a few of them hated it...and thats the absolute truth. One of my friends was disappointed with SR and the rest liked it. Didnt love it, but they liked it quite a bit. And I think thats why so many fans over there are upset, and are thus overreacting and jumping on the hate bandwagon: because they expected to love the film but only ended up liking it. Thats pathetic if you ask me.

 

[X-Maniac]

Is this not what I was acknowledging in my first sentence?

Yes, but you went on to say that two comedies had overtaken these movies.. I feel that the next two movies released of any kind would have overtaken these movies... in fact any movie is overtaken by the movie released that is releaed next (not sure how Pirates fits into that formula!). The newest DVD release is always No 1 in my local stores' DVD charts, even when it's only just released; the next Monday, whatever has just been released that day has taken its place.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Holy Phoenix...something just rised out of the ashes of this thread. lol...

 

[chaseter]

edit...messed up be right back.

 

[BMM]

I'm guilty of it myself--I see movies being released that look good, but I know I'll wait for DVD because they'll be out soon enough anyway. I have a friend at work who was so excited for X3 that she put it in her Netflix queue the weekend it was released. She still hasn't seen it.

I do the same.

Yes, but you went on to say that two comedies had overtaken these movies.. I feel that the next two movies released of any kind would have overtaken these movies...in fact any movie is overtaken by the movie released that is releaed next (not sure how Pirates fits into that formula!).

I didn't say that the comedies (The Break-Up and The Devil Wears Prada) had overtaken Superman Returns and The Last Stand by being released next, because that's not true. The Devil Wears Prada didn't overtake Superman Returns in its opening weekend (but Dead Man's Chest certainly did). Both comedies, however, did give the films a run for their money in ways that most did not expect, which is why I find that if both Returns and The Last Stand had lived up to their hyped potential, this would not have been quite as much of an unexpected issue.

The newest DVD release is always No 1 in my local stores' DVD charts, even when it's only just released; the next Monday, whatever has just been released that day has taken its place.

Yeah, I find this to be the case as well.

 

[chaseter]

Okay then if polls dont count, what makes you think more ppl liked X3? Yes more ppl saw X3, but it doesnt mean more ppl liked it. There is no way to calculate that, except for polls. Saying polls are biased is just an easy way out. There is no way for you or me to tell if a poll (one that btw is on the home page for a site that hosts BOTH X-men and Superman fans) is biased or not. The only other way is to take into account each films' legs. And yes there was only a 10% difference between the two, but even still, in the world of box office thats a big difference: SR had better legs. A 66% drop equals bad word of mouth no matter which way you twist it. Oh and btw I wasnt trying to twist your words, I thought thats what you meant.

I never said all polls don't count...QUIT MISQUOTING ME. Internet polls are mostly biased and are not done correctly like the one on here or Rotten Tomatoes. Do most of the public visit these sites to take part in the polls...no. Are they limited to a certain group of people that makes it biased...yes. Lets take a look at the numbers shall we?

Superman Returns has grossed $195,388,237 with 4,065 theatres. It opened with $52,535,096. Its second week it went down to $21,815,243...a ~59% drop. It then dropped ~45% into its 3rd week to $12,288,317.

X3 has grossed $234,150,411 with 3,690. It opened with $122,861,157. Its second week it went down to $34,017,247...a ~71% drop. It then dropped ~52% to $16,078,578 in its 3rd week.

Well I don't know why you keep mentioning legs??? Superman's box office lost to X3's total gross wise and weekly wise. X3 kept beating SR week after week. Superman even had more theatres than X3. Sure X3 was dropping a bit more percentage wise but it made so much more money that even though the dropping percentages were better for SR, X3 was still making more money. So to say X3 dropped more percentage wise than SR without looking at the box office gross afterwards doesn't make any sense. So applying common knowledge to the numbers above...more people liked X3 than Superman Returns. X3 did better overall.

 

[danoyse]

I don't have a problem with ANYONE who likes X3 at all.

Really?

But don't insult those who dislike it by saying, "Those who hate it are Singer fanboys", "those who hate it aren't Super-Hero fans", "Those who hate it can't appreciate 100% fun". Keep in mind X-Maniac made those accusations first, no one attacked anyone for liking the movie at all, but he made those accusations first and his followers Weatherwitch and Danoyse followed him in that same path.

Nell didn't, and neither did any of us. You hate this movie so much it is making you paranoid.

I know you, YJ1, X-Maniac, and a couple of others want me banned from this site. You want me banned so no voice of reason can exist here and only praises can exist, and that's fine, but I'm not going to stoop down to a level so low that would get me banned like you hope will happen.

That's not true. Nell was asking you to stop because you will get banned if you keep on attacking people. He said you're smarter than that. He was trying to help you not get banned.

I don't want you banned, I want you to knock off the name-calling. That's what EVERYONE IS TRYING TO TELL YOU.

Bottom line? I'm tired of you. I'm tired of people like X-Maniac, I'm tired of people like Weatherwitch and Danoyse. I'm tired of people who constantly praise it as if it's Gods gift to cinema.

Then maybe you should take a break from it all. You're getting nowhere with your ranting, and no one is impressed. Is X3 still the same movie you hated 3 months ago? Yep. Does yelling at everyone make it better? Probably not.

I'm tired of people who come on this site insult those who are comic book fans and aren't happy with the product. So this is the last time I'll post in your beloved thread, as I can see that no negativity is allowed and only praise is welcome.

You keep saying that, but you keep coming back for more. Maybe this time you can try and come back with a better attitude. And no, that doesn't mean blindly praise the movie...because NO ONE has. It just means act like an adult. People will like you better.

 

[danoyse]

Both comedies, however, did give the films a run for their money in ways that most did not expect, which is why I find that if both Returns and The Last Stand has lived up to their hyped potential, this would not have been quite as much of an unexpected issue.

This is true--X3 was expected to hold on to first place on that 2nd weekend. "The Break-Up"'s opening weekend success, from what I've read, was as much about the mixed reaction to X3 as it was the drawing power of Vince Vaughn after "Wedding Crashers" last year.

But then, "The Break-Up" received mixed reviews as well--it scored lower than X3 in the exit polls. I haven't seen it, but apparently it took a serious tone that audiences expecting a big comedy didn't expect.

 

[chaseter]

But don't insult those who dislike it by saying, "Those who hate it are Singer fanboys", "those who hate it aren't Super-Hero fans", "Those who hate it can't appreciate 100% fun".

Bottom line? You're a Fox loyalist, as is people like Danoyse and Weatherwitch who will just accept a "popcorn flick" as the ending of a trilogy that could've been great.

You are going to sit there and cry about people calling you a Singer fanboy for not liking the film but you easily toss around Fox loyalist for those who liked it??? Hypocrit.

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

for me....

singer is a yah.... I didn't like Ratner

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I never said all polls don't count...QUIT MISQUOTING ME. Internet polls are mostly biased and are not done correctly like the one on here or Rotten Tomatoes. Do most of the public visit these sites to take part in the polls...no. Are they limited to a certain group of people that makes it biased...yes. Lets take a look at the numbers shall we?

Superman Returns has grossed $195,388,237 with 4,065 theatres. It opened with $52,535,096. Its second week it went down to $21,815,243...a ~59% drop. It then dropped ~45% into its 3rd week to $12,288,317.

X3 has grossed $234,150,411 with 3,690. It opened with $122,861,157. Its second week it went down to $34,017,247...a ~71% drop. It then dropped ~52% to $16,078,578 in its 3rd week.

Well I don't know why you keep mentioning legs??? Superman's box office lost to X3's total gross wise and weekly wise. X3 kept beating SR week after week. Superman even had more theatres than X3. Sure X3 was dropping a bit more percentage wise but it made so much more money that even though the dropping percentages were better for SR, X3 was still making more money. So to say X3 dropped more percentage wise than SR without looking at the box office gross afterwards doesn't make any sense. So applying common knowledge to the numbers above...more people liked X3 than Superman Returns. X3 did better overall.

So because more people have seen a movie that means it is generally more liked? I'm sorry, but thats bull**** in a big way. Do you think the general audience think more of Fantastic Four than X1 Sin City because FF made more money? Do the general audience think more of Spiderman 1 than Spidey 2 because the first made more money?

Sorry to single you out but i just hate that excuse when people argue over the quality of one movie over another.

Oh and for the record i LOVED SR and hated X3, but that doesnt factor in to what i just said.