Sequels Sinister Six in ASM3

[NewYorkSpider]

I just don't want them to squeeze villains in the story without them getting developed in the movies.

 

[JOE]

I just don't want them to squeeze villains in the story without them getting developed in the movies.

Well then you'll never get your Sinister 6. You can't have a full blown origin for all 6 villains. There's only going to be 4 movies and the first one didn't have any of them. They have TASM 2 and TASM 3 to gather at least 4 villains. Get the last 2 in TASM 4 and have them all team up for the climax.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Well then you'll never get your Sinister 6. You can't have a full blown origin for all 6 villains. There's only going to be 4 movies and the first one didn't have any of them. They have TASM 2 and TASM 3 to gather at least 4 villains. Get the last 2 in TASM 4 and have them all team up for the climax.

Hell yes.

 

[JOE]

I think that's the best way to go with it. Have 4 villains established by TASM 3, establish the other 2 at the beginning of TASM 4 and have them all together for the big finale.

 

[Super Jim]

Well then you'll never get your Sinister 6. You can't have a full blown origin for all 6 villains. There's only going to be 4 movies and the first one didn't have any of them. They have TASM 2 and TASM 3 to gather at least 4 villains. Get the last 2 in TASM 4 and have them all team up for the climax.

By the end of TASM2 we could have upwards of four established villains and even two others introduced as their alias.

Of course this all comes down to which villains make the cut, but go with this for a second...

I think we all agree, obviously, that Rhino and Electro will be established by the end of TASM2, right?

It looks more and more like the Goblin will also be established by the end of TASM2. If it's not the end of TASM2, then it will be by the middle of TASM3. Either way we have already been shown Norman's issue and the plan to fix it. In TASM2 we will almost definitely see the "cure", which will result in the Goblin's origin. So he'll be effectively established, whether Gwen's death scene is at the end of TASM2 or middle of TASM3...

Now Webb could (not saying he will, just could) use the Lizard as one of the Sinister Six. For some reason many hate this idea, but if you're trying to streamline the characters, this works. So many ways for Goblin to manipulate Connors/Lizard into working for him. Doesn't mean he'll be out on the streets attacking civilians, just in a lab doing experiments, trying to fix the cure (you get the idea). Then at the right time in TASM4 you could have the Lizard (having turned into the Lizard at some point), who is now slightly more cognizant of his actions, turn on one of the other baddies taking him out and then slinking away. Two of the Six could be taken care of like that...

Next I have many reasons to believe that Felicia Hardy will be introduced in TASM2. Doesn't mean we'll see her as Black Cat just yet, but her background story is real simple and could easily be explained in TASM3. At first she's just a hired thief (which would still make her one of the Six), and there are many reasons why she would do this, from money, to her father, etc. Just like Catwoman worked for the bad guys in the hopes of that program and/or fear (of Bane), the Black Cat could be controlled in this way and be "somewhat on the baddie's side". And again, she could turn at the right time and take out/help Peter take out one or two of the Six. I could easily see Rhino as a sexist pig, making comments to her throughout the movie. Then at the right time she takes him out.

Lastly any Sinister Six has to have the Vulture. There are many rumors that Adrien Toomes will be introduced in TASM2. We'll see if that turns out to be correct, but I will say that Colm Feore would be a perfect Toomes. Introduce Toomes in TASM2, show his issue and origin of the Vulture in TASM3 and you're there.

These Six could easily be it! Not saying definitively, but quite possible. I know many want Mysterio. And I know many want Doc Ock as the leader.

And now I will say this...

Ever since it was announced there will be 4 movies, I assumed they just took what was going to be in 3 and spread it out. That is logical.

But, here is another idea...

They could end the Goblin story in TASM3 and then have a certain character, whether it is the Gentleman, or better yet, Harry, who brings the Six together. Doc Ock could be introduced as a new villain who starts as an Engineer at Oscorp. And even Mysterio could be added by going this route.

Not so sure about the story above, but simply have Mysterio some illusionist who lost his job, turned to crime, and was stopped by Spiderman. He is then brought in to the Six to take Spiderman out.

So, to me, there are two ways to have the Sinister Six in TASM4. One os with Goblin as the leader, developing and introducing character in TASM1 through 4.

The other is with Goblin defeated in TASM3 and the focus of TASM4 to be Sinister Six.

I think the first option focuses the story better, but the second option has Doc Ock as the leader and allows for othes, like Mysterio, to be brought in...

 

[JOE]

By the end of TASM2 we could have upwards of four established villains and even two others introduced as their alias.

How do you figure? I'm counting two; Electro and Rhino. Maybe our definitions of "established" are different though. I'm talking about actually seeing the Vulture on screen, not hearing Norman Osborn call Toomes a Vulture. Same goes for Gobby, unless I see him on screen I don't consider him "established" because we saw some green formula.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I think that's the best way to go with it. Have 4 villains established by TASM 3, establish the other 2 at the beginning of TASM 4 and have them all together for the big finale.

Right. I always suspected they'd somehow intro the last/new villains in the beginning or somewhere in 4. But lets not get too excited for 4. That's miles away. Haha

 

[Super Jim]

How do you figure? I'm counting two; Electro and Rhino. Maybe our definitions of "established" are different though. I'm talking about actually seeing the Vulture on screen, not hearing Norman Osborn call Toomes a Vulture. Same goes for Gobby, unless I see him on screen I don't consider him "established" because we saw some green formula.

All evidence is pointing to you seeing Goblin on screen in TASM2. At a minimum, likely you will see his "transformation", meaning being given a cure and side effects. At a maximum Gwen's death scene will be shown at the end of the movie and you will see Gobbie in all of his glory (as we all expect, and we'll be pissed at Webb if it's not, Goblin that drops Gwen).

Just to recap, some of the evidence is the glider prop set pic that reportedly stuntmen were using to practice with, the fact that Emma was seen wearing Gwen's death shroud and was filming on a bridge, some were speculating that the set picture of a glass cell was what Norman will be in to transform, but now it's apparent that that will be where the electric eels will be (can't believe that I was right about the electric eels...), and then the insider report that stated that Emma will be back in TASM3 in flashbacks and dreams. Pretty much spells the doom for Gwen in TASM2, which means you will liekly see Gobbie.

So right there that would be three established characters.

I explained how they COULD use the Lizard as one of the Six. The Lizard has been established.

So that would be the four I indicated are/will be established by the end of TASM2.

 

[Spideyfan117]

Concerning Goblin being in this movie, let's also remember CashforStash on these boards. When a lot of Goblin rumors started getting spread around, he provided a little bit of clarification (it's actually the word of mouth resulting from what he said that led me to the site). He seems pretty trustworthy. So combine his words with the leaked set pics and it makes a pretty compelling reason to believe we'll see GG in the movie.

 

[Super Jim]

I think at this point anyone believing that Goblin will not be in TASM2 is not facing reality.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Personally, I don't think we will see the Green Goblin......there, I've said it.

 

[JOE]

I want Electro, Rhino, Vulture, Doc Ock, Sandman and Mysterio.

 

[JOE]

Personally, I don't think we will see the Green Goblin......there, I've said it.

I'm with you on it, you are not alone.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I’m not sure who the villains will be in TASM3&4, other than to say, I’m pretty confident that the Green Goblin will be in one of those films, if not both. And given, my belief that Sony and/or Webb committed to dates up to TASM4, as well as letting Woodley walk(Thank God) as MJ, signify that TDofGS will extend into TASM4...so I maintain that TS6 won't happen til after TASM4 now; and it won't be led by the Green Goblin. My line-up is as follows, how I hope to see it; if, and it’s a BIG IF, if those in charge decide to continue pass 4 with Garfield.
　
TASM3: Given what we think we know from 2...Vulture the main, possibly Peter discover it was Vulture who took down the plane that Peter’s parents was in. Chameleon in the background, discovering for his employer, the identity of Spiderman, when he become curious why Spidey is so adamant in catching Uncle Ben‘s killer. Which leads to Green Goblin brief debut…the mystery obviously being who is the Green Goblin. Peter & Gwen take their relationship to new heights…no pun intended. MJ is introduced.
　
TASM4: Green Goblin & the Chameleon. Peter’s friendship with Harry starts to fracture as Peter become more & more suspicious of Norman‘s unethical research & business dealings…leading to the GA suspecting Harry as being the Goblin; whom is taking out all who appear to be a threat to Oscorp in some fashion. While Chameleon is not only reckoning hell on Peter character & trustworthiness; but, on Spidey as well, in the public eye. Otto Octavius is the new chief engineer at Oscorp(small role) has a much stronger relationship with Harry, as oppose to Norman. The Symbiote is briefly introduced in the Lab. Gwen is killed 2/3 of the way into film .MJ and the gang tries comforting Peter to no avail. Leading to the revelation that Norman is the Green Goblin; and, the disappearance or demise at the hand of Spiderman, left as an open mystery.
　
TASM5: The Birth of the Sinister Six. With Harry & Peter friendship becoming strain in the previous film, the revelation to Harry, his father was the Goblin; and, possibly killed by Spidey, certainly lead to his father disappearance, breeds a sense of misguided hate & anger towards Spidey. Enter Harry enlistment of Otto to use whatever resources at Oscorp disposal, to seek, bring down, and kill Spiderman. Otto decides to put together & arm special talents to achieve this directive. The “Team” features DocOck, who recruits & arms Shocker, bring in talent Mysterio and equips him with some new innovative technology, breaks Vulture & Rhino out of Ravencroft, whom Rhino recommend Ock attain the services of fame tracker/bounty/assassin, Kraven the Hunter. The “Team” beats and nearly kills Spidey…leaving him for dead.
　
A battered and still distraught Peter, having no clue to who these guys are, remember something about the team, leading him to break into Oscorp, where he discover files that prove Norman & Oscorp involvement in unethical testing on human subject, and a direct link to the death of his parents. While angered & frantically trying to escape Oscorps security, Peter knocks over the vile containing the SRI(Symbiotic Research Initiative), needless to say. Much like the Hulk, the angrier Peter/Spidey gets, the stronger he becomes, the more he loses himself….which enables him to defeat and nearly kills some of the members of the Sinister Six. MJ & Flash notice change in Peter’s attitude and chalk it up to the loss of Gwen.
　
TASM6: After TS6 failed to dispose of Spidey, Harry becomes more enraged at his alleged father’s killer. Meanwhile MJ begin to suspect who Peter is and understand more, his angst with Gwen’s death. Peter realize that the Symbiote is taking him over, making his hunger more vicious, calculating, & deadlier. He struggles, but rid himself of the Symbiote clutches…unbeknownst to Peter, the Symbiote finds its way to a vengeful Harry Osborn. Whom now learns that Peter is Spiderman, the very one, whom he feel, killed his father…which enrages him even more. The conflict begins….
　
Harry discover and take the very same enhancement formula his father took, while being engulf by the Symbiote…making him more deadlier than anything Spidey has ever faced. Harry is Venom to Spidey. Harry stalks Peter like prey, make disturbing comment to Peter when talking to Peter as Harry. Venom makes Peter/Spidey uneasy, suspicious, and paranoid. After their first encounter, Peter start to become fearful of Venom; as Harry become more confident & obsessive. Peter not knowing whoVenom is, recognize the suit, powers, and abilities. Peter, at a time when he has yet to mourn the loss of Gwen, separates himself from friends & family, out of his fear of Venom. Peter has become a loner, distancing himself from everyone. Until a spiritual encounter with Uncle Ben, encourage him to stand up and face his fears, than those famous words are recited, “With great power, comes great responsibility….to yourself, love ones, and to the community.” Harry decides to stop toying with Peter and end this. Harry meets Peter, inform him who he is, and suddenly change into Venom, catching Peter off guard. Venom is getting the best of Spidey, but by chance Spidey turns the tables and discover one glaring weakness(and it’s not sound…Raimi). Peter defeats Venom, nearly killing Harry to do it; yet, able to rid Harry of the Symbiote.
　
Peter finally get a moment to mourn Gwen…he visit Gwen’s grave, give a lovely monologue of the lighter moments of their brief relationship. As the camera pans away from Gwen’s tombstone, the audience is treated with the gang standing near by. They all console him, as MJ is the last to embrace him before the screen fades to black.

Maybe combine my 3&4 into one film...into TASM3. Just move the remainders down one, into TASM 4&5. There you go...the format change, but the story remains the same..........maybe.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Personally, I don't think we will see the Green Goblin......there, I've said it.

I'm with you on it, you are not alone.

Interesting. So you guys are just taking all the rumors with a grain of salt?

 

[Super Jim]

I's say it's more than rumors. There is a lot of evidence if you're looking for it.

 

[JOE]

None of it confirms we'll see the Goblin though? It could be hinting at it, but that's it. I don't see where the certainty is coming from...

 

[Super Jim]

Why would stunt men be practicing with a Goblin glider (unless the picture was a red herring) if Goblin wasn't going to be in TASM2? Would they would practice now for a movie in 2016. Ummm... no.

Why would they have Gwen wearing the identical clothing from the night Gwen Stacie died, unless she was (gasp)... going to die in TASM2? And who kills her? Remember, they have said they want to keep that as close to canon as possible, so yeah, it'll be Gobbie!

Why would they be filming (with Emma wearing Gwen's death shroud) on a bridge? Another red herring? That's a lot of money being spent to mislead us, don't you think?

Why would an insider state that we'll see Emma Stone again in TASM3, but in dreams and flashbacks? What kind of event would you flashback to? Could it be her death? And again, who kills Gwen?

I would call all of this evidence!

 

[Spideyfan117]

Super Jim, to be fair, Marc said they honor canon in some ways but have to deviate from it in others. Gwen probably won't die on the bridge. It's likely there just to pay homage and, at the same time, be a twist that doesn't necessarily have the same outcome as the comic.

 

[JOE]

Why would stunt men be practicing with a Goblin glider (unless the picture was a red herring) if Goblin wasn't going to be in TASM2? Would they would practice now for a movie in 2016. Ummm... no.

Why would they have Gwen wearing the identical clothing from the night Gwen Stacie died, unless she was (gasp)... going to die in TASM2? And who kills her? Remember, they have said they want to keep that as close to canon as possible, so yeah, it'll be Gobbie!

Why would they be filming (with Emma wearing Gwen's death shroud) on a bridge? Another red herring? That's a lot of money being spent to mislead us, don't you think?

Why would an insider state that we'll see Emma Stone again in TASM3, but in dreams and flashbacks? What kind of event would you flashback to? Could it be her death? And again, who kills Gwen?

I would call all of this evidence!

Do you have pics of the stuntmen on the gliders?

Who's your insider telling you she will only be a flashback in TASM 3?

 

[Super Jim]

I would agree that the death doesn't have to happen on a bridge for it to be close enough to canon, but I can't see Webb changing the villain who causes the situation that leads to Peter accidentally killing Gwen.

We've talked about this elsewhere... If it turns out to be a stray bolt of lightning from Electro that causes Gwen to fall from a height that leads to Peter trying to arrest her fall with web, that causes her next to snap, people, including me, are going to be absolutely pissed!

It better be Goblin that causes her death. That's the only way this event can be strong enough to hold meaning. We all know that Electro will be defeated in TASM2. Jamie Foxx even talked about how electrocity doesn't really go away, meaning when he's defeated, he's still somewhere. The point is that if the person who causes Gwen to die is a villain who is defeated in the same movie, that will take away from the importance of this. But if instead it is Goblin, who swoops down and grabs Gwen, after it seems like Peter has saved the day, flys up to a bride (or even just into the air), drops Gwen and says something like "You choose, her or me", and then he flys away, causing Peter to give up on Goblin to try to save Gwen, he shoots his web, catches her foot, and Snap!...

Now it becomes a huge part of the story. Now the next movie is focused on Peter dealing with the guilt, Peter trying to find the one responsible, Peter wanting revenge and Peter getting justice.

 

[Super Jim]

Do you have pics of the stuntmen on the gliders?

Who's your insider telling you she will only be a flashback in TASM 3?

As I believe you are well aware, the set pic was not of the stuntmen using the glider, but as shown here:


The report on Movie Web was "

that the stunt team has been using to practice on." ​

The insider isn't my insider. There were a couple of different articles. One talked about why they cut Mary Jane in order to focus on Peter and Gwen with her dying in TASM2, and another about how she'll be back. Let me see if I can find them...​

Here's the one:​

"A source close to production spoke to HollywoodLife.com EXCLUSIVELY and told us the storyline reasons for cutting Shailene’s role as the other love interest for Peter Parker.​

"Emma Stone’s character dies in the next film and that really would take a bunch out of the film if Spider-Man all the sudden starts dating a new girl so close to an important characters death. They were noticing this occurring as they filmed Shailene’s scenes. They want to make the death of Gwen Stacy really mean something and then it will leave room for Shailene to shine in the third film."​

Can someone help me with a link, or quote on the other report, where an insider said that Emma would be back in the Amazing Spider-man 3 in dreams and flashbacks? Can't seem to find this on the net...​

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I want Electro, Rhino, Vulture, Doc Ock, Sandman and Mysterio.

So just for the sake of conversation, why not Kraven?

And is Sandman not too soon?

Otherwise our lists are identical.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I just don't want them to squeeze villains in the story without them getting developed in the movies.

You don't need origin stories for villains like Shocker and Rhino. We are already being introduced to Rhino, and does he really require much of a backstory? No. In the MCU, we had solo movies for Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Captain America. Then Hawkeye & Black Widow were added to the Avengers without much backstory.

We have Electro and Rhino in TASM2. I'm not counting Lizard because, well, he wouldn't join the Sinister Six. So that is two down, four to go. They could add Shocker and Rhino to a S6 film while using other villains introduced in previous films who have already been developed.

TASM3 will most likely have Green Goblin, since that is what Marc Webb is leading up to. But GG is not a S6 villain, so lets not count him either.

 

[Super Jim]

I found the article that talks about Emma being back in TASM3 in flashbacks and nightmares:

"As stated, Hollywood Life‘s source is merely confirming what many fans have already assumed – that Gwen Stacy will die in Part 2 (possibly by Spider-Man’s own web). That said, the real takeaway here is that, after shooting the scenes, Webb and the filmmakers had a change of heart about when it would be appropriate to introduce Parker’s (presumed) future wife. Obviously, fleshing out the larger Spider-Man movie universe is a major focus in the upcoming sequel – given that Norman Osborne and Harry Osborne are also going to play major roles. Yet, Webb is a smart enough storyteller to know that building-out the cinematic world to setup future installments should not come at the expense of the current storyline – especially one as emotionally impactful (and heartbreaking) as the death of Gwen Stacy.
The report also clarifies a few key points: Emma Stone might make an appearance in future installments via Parker’s flashbacks/nightmares."