Sequels Sinister Six in ASM3

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Whether as a solo villain or as part of the Sinister Six, what would you guys say to Sharlto Copley as Kraven?

Sharlto would be a better fit for Cletus Kasady.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

If they're going A-list/Oscar-caliber for Kraven, I'd go with Javier Bardem. He'd crush it.

 

[Super Jim]

At one point I was thinking what they were going to do is have a Sinister Six movie with numerous villains, who have no connection whatsoever, all doing their own thing and having Spiderman, in the film, but never unmasked and not the point of view.

The movie would be from the point of view of the villains. Their planning, their motivations and their getting beaten by this masked wallcrawler and put in prison.

Then, at the end of the movie, the Green Goblin would break these villains out of prison, along with the Rhino who was already in there, possibly the Lizard as well, and bam, you're set for TASM3 - Spidey versus The Sinister Six.

But, now that we know that Oscorp is behind every one of these villains, this type of story doesn't make any sense. I guess maybe they could still do it with generic burglar or petty criminal types named Otto, Kraven, Quintin and/or Adrian; but would the general audience really care all that much about non-super powered villains being turned into super powered villains to set up the next movie?

I'm not convinced and would hate to see them ruin this opportunity!

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

If they're going A-list/Oscar-caliber for Kraven, I'd go with Javier Bardem. He'd crush it.

Not a bad pick. I could see it. I still like the idea of Gerard Butler or Oded Fehr personally, but I've seen other fans suggest Jason Momoa, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, or Russell Crowe.

 

[Super Jim]

After finally seeing the movie it did seem as though Doctor Kafka's fate was being left to drown, but they didn't show it so who knows.

Knowing that we're going to be getting a tentacle wearing villain, and the fact that he had the whole German accent, and the glasses, and the mad scientist personality, he seems way too close to Otto not to consider that somehow he'll make it back to put on those tentacles...

Also, when The Gentleman was talking with Harry at the end, after Harry said I want to keep it small, I was really wanting him to say, "Six seems like the perfect number", or something like that.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

After finally seeing the movie it did seem as though Doctor Kafka's fate was being left to drown, but they didn't show it so who knows.

Knowing that we're going to be getting a tentacle wearing villain, and the fact that he had the whole German accent, and the glasses, and the mad scientist personality, he seems way too close to Otto not to consider that somehow he'll make it back to put on those tentacles...

Also, when The Gentleman was talking with Harry at the end, after Harry said I want to keep it small, I was really wanting him to say, "Six seems like the perfect number", or something like that.

I think he's dead. And nowhere was he wearing the tentacles or were they fused into his skin/on his back so I highly doubt he will become Dr. Octopus and if he did... these reboot movies will alienate its fans (including myself).

 

[Super Jim]

^ Nope, never said the tentacles were worn by him during this movie. Just that all of his features are very similar to Doc Ock's and the glasses and labcoat he wore is also too similar to be ignored.

If he was to end up wearing the tentacles and becomes "Doc Octopus" it would happen in either the Sinister Six movie (please Sony, don't do this) or in TASM4.

Yes, I agree with you that he was left in such a way that it appeared he was killed off, but we never saw it. And since Harry and Electro moved on pretty quickly after Kafka was put into the harness, who is to say what happened. He could of easily been helped out by someone, which might even be shown in an extended version of the movie. I'm not saying I want Doctor Kafka to be Doc Ock, just that everything about Kafka is too similar not to believe there is a possibility of that happening.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Unless, the tentacles can heal him, I don't see what is the point of giving him the tentacles or furthermore bringing him back. Yes, he has Ock-features and a European accent, but besides that, according to myself and other posters on here, Kafka was one of the worse additions to this sequel and was a giant, walking, talking cartoon character. He was borderline Schumacher's Batman films. He just felt out of place completely.

Besides, the dude wore lipstick. I would not want to see Dr. Octopus, a man who is incredibly smart and tough, be reduced to a gender-confused parody of Dr. Frankenstein. And I'm not saying this to be mean or insensitive or anything, it's just Kafka was just that an odd parody of black-and-white horror films and reminded me of Mike Myers' Dieter from Sprockets ("SNL") than a character to be taken seriously:

I would rather see Carolyn Trainer become Lady Octopus over Dr. Kafka becoming Dr. Octopus over Dr. Otto Octavius.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

He should've been Kraven.

 

[GarysMyOldman]

I thought it was understood that Otto Octavius exists in this world. He was mentioned in the virals by name. But with that in my here is my Sinister Six Casting, half of which is already cast..

Doc Ock: Javier Bardem
Green Goblin: Dane Dehaan, obviously
Rhyno: Paul Giamatti
Vulture: Jason Issacs
Chameleon: Doug Jones (Think of the "I Love You Peter" panel.)
Electro: Jamie Foxx

 

[Super Jim]

Unless, the tentacles can heal him, I don't see what is the point of giving him the tentacles or furthermore bringing him back. Yes, he has Ock-features and a European accent, but besides that, according to myself and other posters on here, Kafka was one of the worse additions to this sequel and was a giant, walking, talking cartoon character. He was borderline Schumacher's Batman films. He just felt out of place completely.

Besides, the dude wore lipstick. I would not want to see Dr. Octopus, a man who is incredibly smart and tough, be reduced to a gender-confused parody of Dr. Frankenstein. And I'm not saying this to be mean or insensitive or anything, it's just Kafka was just that an odd parody of black-and-white horror films and reminded me of Mike Myers' Dieter from Sprockets ("SNL") than a character to be taken seriously:

I would rather see Carolyn Trainer become Lady Octopus over Dr. Kafka becoming Dr. Octopus over Dr. Otto Octavius.

Oh, please don't give them any ideas!

A female Doc Ock! Argh!!!!!

Also, I just checked the viral site and there was something that mentioned specifically Otto Octavius. Here is what it indicated:

"So, if the future is already in the warehouse, how do they keep advancing? When money is no object, it means the best facilities filled with the brightest minds in science."

"The scientific rumor mill (there is such a thing — I checked) has floated every leading name as a possible contributor. But none is more intriguing than world-renowned nuclear researcher Otto Octavius."

"When asked about that rumor, Mr. Menken replied, “I can’t confirm or deny any rumors you read on the web. We talk to a number of different scientists every day about our special projects.”

I would hope this means that Kafka is truly dead (what a waste of a good actor) and that this Otto guy will don the tentacles. Just so odd all of the similarities of the Kafka character to what Otto Octavius is supposed to be.

And I have to agree, there were numerous issues that I had with the film and Kafka was number one, if not a close second to the first half Max character (Jamie Foxx, I've lost a little respect there...).

 

[DigificWriter]

Webb has all but said that he really wants to do both Kraven and Mysterio, and unless he comes back for TASM4, TASM3 will be his last opportunity, so I'd put good money on those two being the driving force behind TASM3's storyline, with SS setup happening in the background (just as was the case in TASM2).

 

[Super Jim]

I just read an article where Webb gave a post TASM2 release interview and it indicated that he indicated that the Sinister Six is going to be as follows:

"Doctor Octopus, Vulture, Electro, Mysterio, Sandman and especially the deranged Kraven the Hunter."

In reading Webb's supposed comments, I didn't see anything specifically stating this line-up and he even mentioned something about Scorpion, so maybe this source is just speculating and making it seem like fact.

Maybe they were totally clueless and Googled the Sinister Six to come up with line-up, but again they reported it as though Webb gave them confirmation. Likely idiots, but it makes me wonder if Rhino will indeed be part of the Sinister Six.

The movie could start off with Rhino being defeated (if he even comes back in TASM3), which means that the Six would not include him, or maybe there would only be five left to defeat. I get the feeling that Webb is done after TASM3 and will want to clump in as many different villains as possible, so maybe Rhino won't make it...

 

[DigificWriter]

The only recent interview I've seen from Webb has him repeatedly stressing that the lineup for the Six is still being discussed, but that all of the characters you just mentioned - minus Sandman, who wasn't mentioned by either him or the interviewer - are possibilities.

Incidentally, this is the same interview in which he all but says he really wants to do storylines involving Kraven and Mysterio.

 

[Super Jim]

Well, my question about Rhino is based on what we know.

1. When The Gentleman mentioned Aleskei to Harry the specific number of villains wasn't confirmed, as I thought it would be. Wouldn't it have made sense, after Harry stated 'I want to keep it small" for him to have then said, "let's go with Six". Seemed like a missed opportunity, but maybe it's because it will end up being a different Six, meaning Rhino won't be in the final line-up.

2. The whole mechanized suit can only be taken so far. It's already been shown at the end of TASM2, so having him get away just to be taken down again seems a bit been there, done that.

3. Sure seems as though the movie was left where Aleskei is about to be taken down. yes, he could get away, but it seems that that manhole cover was going to do some damage. Now the question is whether they would start the movie with the end of that fight, or would TASM3 start months later, with the Rhino obviously being taken down.

4. Is a mechanized Rhino really a good team member of the Sinister Six? Think about it... they're hanging around in their hideout playing cards. Aleskei wouldn't be wearing his armor, while Kraven, Mysterio, Goblin, Electro, or any of the other possible candidates would be wearing their gear. Even Vulture could likely be wearing his equipment while walking around in that scenerio. But not Rhino, making him the weakest in the room.

5. On the other side of the coin, we saw the specs of the things in special projects during the end credits and the Rhino suit seemed to be represented. Also, to pull off this movie they will need to use established characters, otherwise it could be spiderman 3 all over again, and possibly worse since there are more.

So in the end, it could be very possible that RHino is not one of the final Six that go up against Spiderman, even though we've all been assuming he will be...

 

[GarysMyOldman]

I thought not mentioning "six should prove too much for the spider.." was a little odd. I have a feeling we'll see some swerves and up to 9 villains in the actual Sinister Six film. The original 6, 1 turning, another joining, and another 1 being the symbiote suit after Peter gets rid of it at the end. Maybe even more if Connors pops back up.

I don't care about over packing a movie with characters, X Men and Avengers have done it absolutely fine, if anyone has enough name characters to fill a casting sheet it's Spidey.

In ASM2 we saw plenty of name characters, I don't care Harrys angle got rushed bc we've seen the slow burn on that character before, it's boring and we all know the ending anyways. They got Harry where he needed to be to become interesting, it's ASM3 I'm interested in really not 2. They have A LOT of work to do in 3.

Introduce Ock, Vulture, 2 other villains, Brock, Jameson & Mary Jane...further Rhyno, Felicia, Harry, AND THEN make it a Spiderman/Peter Parker movie and then some more parents mumbo jumbo to tie it all together.

Webb has his work cut out for him. ASM2 wasn't perfect but it was like an episode of a series, I want to see the next episode NOW, not in 3 years. If it sucked we all wouldn't be on this site speculating and even if it did, we have no choice.

 

[GarysMyOldman]

He should've been Kraven.

I thought it was funny that you look up Csokas on google and he looks like all these characters and then we see the movie and he's this balding curly red headed german doctor with very homosexual undertones. Not what I was expecting from a brooding looking actor with a decent filmography. A waste if u ask me, anyone could of played that role and done the same job.

As far as Kraven I think we'll see serious deviations if he's included. That cat emblem in the credits reminds me of Kraven for some reason, I've seen that associated with Kraven before but it could easily be twisted into Black Cat if they can't figure out another accented character in a group with Rhyno. Kraven was perfect for Raimi's world and thats long gone.

Give me Ock, Harry Goblin, Electro, Rhyno, Chameleon, and Vulture and I'll be happy bc the lineup will probably change a bit movie to movie as the Avengers does.

The BIGGEST issue shouldn't be who's who but Garfield said he's done after ASM3, are we really going to pull "the 2 Darren's" here? in the middle of a first of it's kind franchise? Who remotely is close to Garfield? I can take or leave him as Spidey but as far as continuity and acting chops is concerned I don't think theres any main streamers around that can fill the suit. Thats this real issue in this series.

 

[Super Jim]

I think the "two Darren's" (hey, I'm old enough to get tht reference) is assured. If Garfield goes then we need to do the "James Bond" type of actor filling. It could work, and work well, as long as they make good decisions.

So many stories if they don't get stupide and try to shove them all into one since this will be someone's lasy hurrah, if you get what I mean. I do not want to see another Spiderman 3 debacle!!!!!

I mean, it really is so easy if they do things right...

TASM3: Sinister Six - Black Cat, Eddie Brock, Symbiote
TASM4: Venom
TASM5: Maximum Carnage with Venom, Black Cat and other cameos
TASM6: Kraven's Last Hunt (if they didn't use him up in TASM3) - Cameleon in here too
TASM7: Morbius maybe?
And you can keep going...

If done every two years we'd be at 2024!!!!!

And you should notice nowhere in here was a Sinister Six or Venom movie! Maximum Carnage is a Spiderman movie, not a Venom movie!!!!!

 

[Superhero 101]

Here is who I would like as the Sinister 6

Kraven-Josh Brolin
Rhino-Paul Giamatti
Doc Ock- Patton Oswalt
Vulture-Corey Stoll
Electro-Jamie Foxx
Chameleon-anyone

 

[JJmelo]

I did a little fan cast myself if peeps are interested

http://joshmelo18.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/casting-sonys-sinister-six/

To the guy who said Javier for Kraven, Im right there with ya buddy! I really liked ASM2 but would have appreciated more villain time, but I guess you have to compromise when u want to include some awesome character development for the love interest. Best CBM romance by far imo, hope they can do something similar with MJ (or black cat)

 

[Super Jim]

^ Man I want Black Cat so bad.

Simple question...

If they bring Black Cat in, should she be working for the baddies, meaning as a hired thief, and if so, would that make her (as far as the movie poster) one of the Six?

 

[bapi]

Joel Edgerton would be great as Kraven. Gaston Ramirez and Jason Clarke are good options as well.

 

[Frodo]

I would make ASM3 the Dark Knight Rises of the ASM trilogy. With the S6, led by Doc Ock, Peter would be pushed to his physical and emotional limits. Peter would nearly be killed in his first encounter with the six of them. I'd even recreate the icon Kraven's last hunt scene in which Spiderman is buried alive. The villains could even be as is, i.e, they exist without a long drawn out origin for each one. Think the brotherhood in the XMen films. Norman would eventually be the one revealed to be in control and his part in the murder of the Parker's would be revealed. In the midst of all his despair would be his new unlikely friend MJ who would be the person to show Peter that he can live again. In the end Peter defeats the the S6 and The Oscorp Empire is destroyed.

 

[Rodrigo90]

The Sinister Six lineup I think should fit with the theme of animals.

1. Rhino
2. Chameleon
3. Vulture
4. Doctor Octopus
5. Scorpion
6. Goblin (the leader)

To have Kraven and Mysterio be surrounded by that is like picking up a carton of strawberries.... Only to find a random grape and banana in there!

And I reckon the Lizard and Black Cat will come to Spider-Man's aid.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

^ Man I want Black Cat so bad.

Simple question...

If they bring Black Cat in, should she be working for the baddies, meaning as a hired thief, and if so, would that make her (as far as the movie poster) one of the Six?

I like the idea of her infiltrating the baddies to get revenge.

"Hello. My name is Felicia Hardy. You killed my father. Prepare to die."