So...why the hate for INFINITE CRISIS??

[Mystirious]

Meh, there hasn't been a point in the many years I've been reading DC comics where I'm less interested in the product, if it wasn't for Morrison, Giffen and Bedard I wouldn't be reading any DC comics.

Morrison is a great writer

I have loved everything he has written at DC

Giffen is pretty good too.

Generation Lost has been entertaining

 

[yenaled]

Yeah, I'm loving his Booster Gold and Doom Patrol as well. I'm a huge Morrison fanboy and I could probably go on for days about how Batman & Robin is the very definition of awesome comics. With Bedard I'm reading GLC and REBELS.

Apart from that... I might read JMS on Superman and Cornell on Action.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Giffen and DeMatteis are doing a great job of making Booster Gold fun again. Generation Lost has been pretty solid as well.

Bedard's REBELS is easily my favorite DC series at the moment.

 

[flash13]

The last two issues of Booster Gold have been great!

 

[The ?ion]

@Yenaled

Then I am glad to know that I am not alone in my sentiment. Honestly, Batman & Robin is the only thing that brought me back to DC in full swing. As as I said before, my pull list is small. B&R, GL, BD, ROBW, BG. That is it. And two of those are limited series runs. So my list will be even smaller over the next four months. I added Teen Titans to that list, but as I mentioned before, Henderson has been given free reign to ruin what was once a really great book (at least back during Johns run).

I may have to give Booster Gold a try though. Somebody here described it as "fun." I miss fun comic books. I mean, I love drama and huge battles and what not, but some days it is nice to read smaller, self-contained stories that are just about run of the mill super-heroics. Some days, it is nice to read a comic where the universe isn't in constant CRISIS (horrible pun, I know).

 

[fifthfiend]

It would turn into a TL;DR post.

Tony's heel turn was utterly unconvincing. Here is a man who spent years battling the government and other corporations for control of his armor and identity. Why on EARTH would this same person suddenly do a 180 and agree with everything he had been against for so long? It is non-sensical plot device writing.

The SHRA was also riddled with plot device writing. It would be one thing if it were a natural progression that spun out of years of stories. Instead, they bring back Marvel's failed abortion attempt at the Teen Titans and force them into an absolutely stupid situation that serves as the platform for a series of bad events and anti-super hero legislation. What is even more disapponting is that Marvel has already done stories about power registration. Mutant Registration Act anyone?

Political commentary isn't a bad thing, but it is annoying when a writer tries to beat you over the head with it. While Watchmen did it brilliantly, and X-Men approached it organically, Civil War just forces political commentary on you in a non-artistic fashion. They use plain allegories for the Patriot Act and Guntonimo Bay and do so poorly.

Am I a Spider-Man fan? Yes I am. But my disappointment with Marvel is not limited to Spider-Man.

In all fairness, Spider-Man is a bigger part of the 616 than you would think. At times, Spider-Man was more at the center of Civil War, than Iron Man and Captain America. Brand New Day was only able to be written, because of the consequences of Peter's choices (see: forced editorial BS) during Civil War. And yes Dark Reign is steaming pile because it places Norman Osborn at the forefront of all-things-evil in the 616. It is just poor writing. Are the current Marvel writers so uninspired that they have to blame Norman Osborn for everything? It isn't something new either. Marvel has been doing it for years, ever since he "died" after Gwen Stacy's death. Here is the short list;

Norman was responsible for the creation of Ben Reily. Norman Osborn was responsible for Aunt May's death (until they retconned it to be a surgically altered actress). Norman Osborn caused Mary Jane to have a still-birth.
Norman Osborn had consentual sex with Gwen Stacy and impregnated her, which is why (after yet another retcon) he dropped her from a bridge.
Norman Osborn became a government official in charge of hunting down super heroes. Norman Osborn is now Iron Man.Norman Osborn is the most prominent superhero in the public eye of the 616.

The list goes on and freaking on. Much like his recently resurrected son, this ***hole should have stayed six feet under. Why is it that he must be responsible for all things wrong in Spider-Man's life, and now he is responsible for the woes of all of the heroes of the 616? Norman Osborn isn't that important. It would be like having a series of retcons that make The Joker responsible for Brother Eye, the birth of Damian Wayne and being in charge of hunting down the Justice League.

Lastly, there are other horrific things going on in the 616. But this is a thread about the steaming pile known as Infinite Crisis. I don't want to turn this into an "I hate Marvel thread," not only because I don't hate Marvel, but also because I do not want to be responsible for derailing a thread and going off topic. But, I will leave you with this; Red Hulk.

Jeph Loeb has had a spotty status with comic fans. Some people absolutely hate his writing, but in general, people loved his work with Batman (Hush, Long Halloween, Dark Victory) and some of his work with Superman (For All Seasons). One would think that witch such an impressive legacy, that this man would arrive at Marvel and bring good tithings. Instead, he gives us the worst take on The Incredible Hulk, EVER.

Hulk is arguably one of the most powerful beings in the 616, only to be challenged by cosmic level entities (and even then, some still fall to the Hulk). Red Hulk, who has similar powers, is lacking one crucial power of the original Jade Giant: Red Hulk does not get stronger when he gets angrier. Why then, is he able to defeat the likes of THOR????

As if carrying a gun wasn't disappointing enough, this new version of Hulk can defy all kinds of canon. In fact, that is his chief power. Red Hulk can ignore any canon or legacy in order to fulfill plot device writing. Mjolnir; A magical weapon that is enchanted so that only the WORTHY may lift it. This poses no problem for Red Hulk, who circumvents an ENCHANTMENT, with poorly implemented physics ("me in space, so me can lift anything!"). As if GRAVITY or MASS have anything to do with an ENCHANTMENT about worthiness.

But what about cosmic-level, nigh omnipotent beings like Uatu the Watcher? Surely a being that is extra-dimensional and carries around an entire reality in their pocket, should be able to best this beast? Right? RIGHT?? Oh silly me. Fighting a god-like entity only requires a good left hook. Perhaps he learned that technique from Superboy Prime and the reality altering retcon punch?

I just can't take Marvel seriously right now. As gross as Infinite Crisis was, at least it was one event. For Marvel, it is a weekly occurence across their entire line of books. But, to each his own. I do disagree with you, but I respect your decision to continue enjoying Marvel properties. Everyone likes what they like, and in this case, I simply don't like what Marvel is doing. But if it is working out for you, then more power to you sir (or ma'am).

It would turn into a TL;DR post.

 

[Drz]

I have a question thats related to Infinite Crisis! Is the Brother Eye trade worth getting? I mean it's Greg Rucka writing Batman!

 

[fifthfiend]

I mean damn son, Dread's written shorter posts than that.

...like, twice ever. But still!

 

[The ?ion]

I have a question thats related to Infinite Crisis! Is the Brother Eye trade worth getting? I mean it's Greg Rucka writing Batman!

You answered your own question sir. Greg Rucka and Batman are an epic combination. Don't believe me? Read Gotham Central.

 

[The ?ion]

I mean damn son, Dread's written shorter posts than that.

...like, twice ever. But still!

Believe it or not, that was the truncated version of what I originally wanted to post. Even then, that is just a small portion of what I feel on the entire matter. When I say TL;DR, I don't mean that, "I consider anything longer than a tweet, to be too much reading" type of TL;DR. I mean seriously lengthy. But, what can I say? Why stress over the minutia of what bothers me about current comic books?

 

[Drz]

You answered your own question sir. Greg Rucka and Batman are an epic combination. Don't believe me? Read Gotham Central.

Yeah i've been trying to get into Central. But so many comics are out there i also wanna read! Tomorrow i'm picking up Death of Captain America Omnibus, Thunderbolts/Deadpool: Dark Reign and Bendis' Daredevil Ultimate collection vol. 1!

God bless amazon and forbiddenplanet discounts.

 

[The ?ion]

Well, it looks like you have some good reading ahead of you. Enjoy yourself sir.

 

[fifthfiend]

Believe it or not, that was the truncated version of what I originally wanted to post. Even then, that is just a small portion of what I feel on the entire matter. When I say TL;DR, I don't mean that, "I consider anything longer than a tweet, to be too much reading" type of TL;DR. I mean seriously lengthy. But, what can I say? Why stress over the minutia of what bothers me about current comic books?

Nobody who read the first 900 words of that post wasn't gonna read the other couple of thousand or however many you've got to say about it.

 

[Mystirious]

Yeah, I'm loving his Booster Gold and Doom Patrol as well. I'm a huge Morrison fanboy and I could probably go on for days about how Batman & Robin is the very definition of awesome comics. With Bedard I'm reading GLC and REBELS.

Apart from that... I might read JMS on Superman and Cornell on Action.

I want to read his Booster Gold

It looks like fun

Paul Cornell on Action comics is going to be great. He seems to understand Lex Luthor

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, comments about Lois aside, I'm really looking forward to Cornell's Action Comics. Like I said before, DC has done a great job differentiating Action Comics and Superman and that is why I'll buy them both

 

[Mystirious]

Yeah, comments about Lois aside, I'm really looking forward to Cornell's Action Comics. Like I said before, DC has done a great job differentiating Action Comics and Superman and that is why I'll buy them both

Lois being with Lex is a very odd development

I am sure that Paul Cornell will explain how that came about

 

[Anubis]

I'm gonna go with Mind control.

 

[Mystirious]

I'm gonna go with Mind control.

Maybe

I think Lois is working undercover to expose Lex as a criminal.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Maybe

I think Lois is working undercover to expose Lex as a criminal.

Considering how War of the Supermen ended, that's what I expect since Lois said that she wants to expose what her father and Luthor did to the Kryptonian people.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Lois being with Lex is a very odd development

I am sure that Paul Cornell will explain how that came about

There shouldn't be nothing to explain in the first place. Superman has been away from his wife for to long now and they really need to put the two of them back together again. On top of that they need to have and show Superman grieve more over his dad which has yet to be done really and they need to bring Clark Kent back.

 

[Mystirious]

Considering how War of the Supermen ended, that's what I expect since Lois said that she wants to expose what her father and Luthor did to the Kryptonian people.

Agreed

That would be in-character for Lois

 

[Jordacar]

There shouldn't be nothing to explain in the first place. Superman has been away from his wife for to long now and they really need to put the two of them back together again. On top of that they need to have and show Superman grieve more over his dad which has yet to be done really and they need to bring Clark Kent back.

Yes, that's why his entire race was murdered, so he could get back with his wife and grieve for his dad.

I'm not saying you're wrong btw, I think that's literally what happened.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yes, that's why his entire race was murdered, so he could get back with his wife and grieve for his dad.

I'm not saying you're wrong btw, I think that's literally what happened.

I am still trying to find the point to the whole World of New Krypton thing because at the end of the day they just hit the big reset button on everything.

 

[yenaled]

Well it was editorially mandated that they hit the reset.

 

[The ?ion]

Man. I feel like I am missing out so much. I still need issue #1 of New World of Krypton and issue # 3 of Last Stand on New Krypton. I feel so gimped by not being able to read the story yet. Or at least not being able to read it without the proper beginning and ending. This feels like the perfect time to jump into Superman, and I am stuck on the sidelines. Oh well, it is Wednesday. Perhaps my LCS was able to obtain the issues for me today, along with his other shipments.