Comics So you want to sue Spider-Man?

[Fantasyartist]

I'm not certain what the point is of trying to sue Spidey? (ASM#550), although I agree there is hypothethical precedent( in America anybody can be sued by anybody else it seems- even a sitting President for acts that took place before he moved into the White House- as the Supreme Court ruled in Jones v Clinton). He( Peter Parker) is not known to have "deep pockets"( unlike say Tony Stark, the FF or socialite/superheroine Janet Van Dyne) so money can NOT be the reason. Also why is the lawsuit not in the name of Peter Parker( I thought he outed himself some time ago?) but "John Doe"?

Terry

 

[iloveclones]

Spidey's identity is now secret again.

He's suing in the off chance that if Spidey is ever arrested, and his identity revealed. Then he will have a default judgement against him, and the guy suing can try to collect.

 

[3dman27]

jjj's at it again eh?

 

[Themanofbat]

jjj's at it again eh?

Nope... you'll have to read the comic at your store...

 

[Donald Thomas]

Spidey's identity is now secret again.

He's suing in the off chance that if Spidey is ever arrested, and his identity revealed. Then he will have a default judgement against him, and the guy suing can try to collect.

Aloha,
Agreed, but I think just as important is that within the current MU as a result of the SHRA, Spider-Man is an OUTLAW. He has NO RIGHTS. He can be arrested at anytime, without Due Process.At some point they're going to sic the T-Bolts on him. That should be interesting!
Spidey rules

 

[moraldeficiency]

Aloha,
Agreed, but I think just as important is that within the current MU as a result of the SHRA, Spider-Man is an OUTLAW. He has NO RIGHTS. He can be arrested at anytime, without Due Process.At some point they're going to sic the T-Bolts on him. That should be interesting!
Spidey rules

Yeah, but a GG without the norman/pete love/hate dynamic is just not as compelling.

 

[Themanofbat]

Yeah, but a GG without the norman/pete love/hate dynamic is just not as compelling.

I don't know... ASM #14, 17, 23, 26 & 27 were great reads.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I don't know... ASM #14, 17, 23, 26 & 27 were great reads.

Yes, I agree though that was the start. I really loved some of the conflicts with norman/pete after they knew who each other really were. Stuff like the last stand really stand out in my mind because of norman's twisted admiration of pete (like in the letter). That norman and the thunderbolts vs. spider-man would have been epic.

 

[Blader5489]

Yes, I agree though that was the start. I really loved some of the conflicts with norman/pete after they knew who each other really were. Stuff like the last stand really stand out in my mind because of norman's twisted admiration of pete (like in the letter). That norman and the thunderbolts vs. spider-man would have been epic.

Would have? It's a story for later this year, Warren Ellis confirmed in a T-Bolts letters page.

 

[moraldeficiency]

You missed the part where I explained how I would rather have the norman that knew who Pete was for the conflict:

"I really loved some of the conflicts with norman/pete after they knew who each other really were. Stuff like the last stand really stand out in my mind because of norman's twisted admiration of pete (like in the letter). THAT norman"

without the knowledge and the history that no long exists in norman's mind, the conflict is just deluted considerably to me. I read T-Bolts so I'll be checking it out, I'm just disappointed we won't have the norman that taunts pete with history and secrets. The one that admires pete as much as he hates him, secretly wanting pete to beat him because he see's pete as a better man. Instead we'll have a norman that just plain hates Spider-Man.

 

[Themanofbat]

From what little I have seen of Norman in the T-Bolts... he appears to be having bad reactions to spiders and the name Spider-Man...

 

[moraldeficiency]

From what little I have seen of Norman in the T-Bolts... he appears to be having bad reactions to spiders and the name Spider-Man...

his reactions have more to do with moonstone @ucking with his meds than anything else. But he's always had a thing for going after Pete. His obsession was with that man though (as pete was his "target" for control [millar's Last Stand]) spiders don't really have any relevance except that they remind him of Pete and what he stands for.

 

[wolvie2020]

From what little I have seen of Norman in the T-Bolts... he appears to be having bad reactions to spiders and the name Spider-Man...

This is something that has had me confused for a while...

he clearly has ben VERY obsessed with Spidey all this time. But the continuty is now doing my head in regarding the 'undoing,' of the unmasking.

It's fine for the world at large not to know etc. But they've taken it too far... It's way too confusing.

Norman EXTREMLEY pyschotic behaviour really began after they found out the truth from each and other. For Norman to behave like this without knowing Peter makes no sense whatsoever... And JQ has made it as plain as day that he didn't retcon SP. (Thus JMS getting so pissed, he was told that he could retcon it before hand.)

So technically Norman should still know everything, otherwise keeping SP in continuity doesn't make sense either. Or ASM 121-122 for that matter. And we know that they've stayed intact due to the writers speaking their mind.

Also with the Harry thing... Undoing the marriage doen't make too much trouble with the continuity, but doing all of this makes no sense What's te big deal of the original characters like Wolvie and DD knowing who Spidey is? Or the rest of the NA for that matter?

I'm loving BND, but this is way too confusing

 

[Donald Thomas]

This is something that has had me confused for a while...

he clearly has ben VERY obsessed with Spidey all this time. But the continuty is now doing my head in regarding the 'undoing,' of the unmasking.

It's fine for the world at large not to know etc. But they've taken it too far... It's way too confusing.

Norman EXTREMLEY pyschotic behaviour really began after they found out the truth from each and other. For Norman to behave like this without knowing Peter makes no sense whatsoever... And JQ has made it as plain as day that he didn't retcon SP. (Thus JMS getting so pissed, he was told that he could retcon it before hand.)

So technically Norman should still know everything, otherwise keeping SP in continuity doesn't make sense either. Or ASM 121-122 for that matter. And we know that they've stayed intact due to the writers speaking their mind.

Also with the Harry thing... Undoing the marriage doen't make too much trouble with the continuity, but doing all of this makes no sense What's te big deal of the original characters like Wolvie and DD knowing who Spidey is? Or the rest of the NA for that matter?

I'm loving BND, but this is way too confusing

Aloha,
I would imagine that Logan and DD will know who Spidey is, once they meet within this BND Age.Although, everyone has had a mind wipe,for them it won't be a question of remembering as much as smelling and hearing.Norman has remembered and forgotten who Spidey is several times within his history as a character.
Spidey rules

 

[iloveclones]

Aloha,
I would imagine that Logan and DD will know who Spidey is, once they meet within this BND Age.Although, everyone has had a mind wipe,for them it won't be a question of remembering as much as smelling and hearing.Norman has remembered and forgotten who Spidey is several times within his history as a character.
Spidey rules

That is only true when they meet Pete, though. They've run into spidey enough to know what he smells like already (ewwwwww) Of course, it might make a nice little foray into Pete's scientific skills if someone Dan Slott had him realize that their powers could out him and come up with some kind of baffle.

As far as Norman, I think it actually creates a little more tension when he doesn't know. Because there's the fear that he will remember. That's what I always liked about those old issues, when Pete was in Norman's world and worrying that he'd remember. Ever since he's come back, he's not had that aspect, and been nothing more than a generic all-your-troubles-are-my-fault criminal mastermind. Almost a parody. For a while, people were complaining about it a lot around here, joking that, "Oh, Pete has a hangnail, must be one of Norman's evil plans."

 

[wolvie2020]

Aloha,
I would imagine that Logan and DD will know who Spidey is, once they meet within this BND Age.Although, everyone has had a mind wipe,for them it won't be a question of remembering as much as smelling and hearing.Norman has remembered and forgotten who Spidey is several times within his history as a character.
Spidey rules

Yeah, but it's gone a bit stupid now. What the heck will there thinking be like? Surely they'd think 'why don't I know this already?' or would they get their memory back? They've got so many stories when they're unmasked around each and other... It's a bit stupid.

And as for the Norman thing... Norman hasn't forgetten who Spider-Man is since ASM 121. Since Norman's return, the amnesia thing has been pretty much null and void. How it would work into current continuity is a bit nonsensical really...

I really love the direction BND onwards... But the memory thing is jarring me WAY too much. Even the Harry thing we can work into conintuity without much hassle. But this is just stupid.

 

[Donald Thomas]

Yeah, but it's gone a bit stupid now. What the heck will there thinking be like? Surely they'd think 'why don't I know this already?' or would they get their memory back? They've got so many stories when they're unmasked around each and other... It's a bit stupid.

And as for the Norman thing... Norman hasn't forgetten who Spider-Man is since ASM 121. Since Norman's return, the amnesia thing has been pretty much null and void. How it would work into current continuity is a bit nonsensical really...

I really love the direction BND onwards... But the memory thing is jarring me WAY too much. Even the Harry thing we can work into conintuity without much hassle. But this is just stupid.

Aloha,
But that's going to be the way it is for ALL within the MU. Everyone saw Peter reveal that he was Spidey and ALL have had the same Mind Wipe.In theory, as time goes on, many of these issues will be dealt with by the current BND writers. After House of M, only a small few knew of the end of mutants.I would imagine that as time goes on, all super heroes with mind reading abilities as well as heightened senses will once again know who Spidey is.
Spidey rules

 

[Brand]

Aloha,
But that's going to be the way it is for ALL within the MU. Everyone saw Peter reveal that he was Spidey and ALL have had the same Mind Wipe. In theory, as time goes on, many of these issues will be dealt with by the current BND writers. After House of M, only a small few knew of the end of mutants. I would imagine that as time goes on, all super heroes with mind reading abilities as well as heightened senses will once again know who Spidey is.
Spidey rules

While it's possible, I really doubt it. I'm actually glad that you brought up HoM. For many months (possibly over a year), readers kept asking when they were going to see some reaction to Peter's experiences during that crossover. JQ would just answer by saying that such experiences have a tendency to build up and come out when a person least expects it, never giving us an exact date for when we could see any resolution.

Now we have BND. I asked JQ a question about the effects of the altered memories which he completely sidestepped. Many other questions have been asked and the answer is usually to "just keep reading." Needless to say, I don't expect to see resolution of any of the issues that have been raised. One or two heroes MIGHT figure out his identity, but don't expect it to become common knowledge again.

 

[Donald Thomas]

While it's possible, I really doubt it. I'm actually glad that you brought up HoM. For many months (possibly over a year), readers kept asking when they were going to see some reaction to Peter's experiences during that crossover. JQ would just answer by saying that such experiences have a tendency to build up and come out when a person least expects it, never giving us an exact date for when we could see any resolution.

Now we have BND. I asked JQ a question about the effects of the altered memories which he completely sidestepped. Many other questions have been asked and the answer is usually to "just keep reading." Needless to say, I don't expect to see resolution of any of the issues that have been raised. One or two heroes MIGHT figure out his identity, but don't expect it to become common knowledge again.

Aloha,
I would agree. Spidey's secret identity is going to be a secret for the vast majority. And yes, I also have been wondering about what effect the House of M will play in this current continuity.
Spidey rules

 

[Blader5489]

So technically Norman should still know everything, otherwise keeping SP in continuity doesn't make sense either. Or ASM 121-122 for that matter. And we know that they've stayed intact due to the writers speaking their mind.

The mindwipe isn't retroactive. Everything you saw in ASM 121-122 still played out the way you read it. What changed was the memories of Gwen's death, not the event itself.

And before you ask "if Norman can't remember ever knowing Pete is Spidey, then what does he remember as his motivation for killing Gwen?", keep in mind that Sins Past fills in that void perfectly.

 

[moraldeficiency]

And before you ask "if Norman can't remember ever knowing Pete is Spidey, then what does he remember as his motivation for killing Gwen?", keep in mind that Sins Past fills in that void perfectly.

like a ********.

 

[Blader5489]

like a ********.

I can't unsee it!